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originally posted by: JimNasium
Greetings and Salutations- My Teacher had taught me the 'conscious' 'sub-conscious' and 'other than conscious'.. It was during one of these many trips that I came about the "Eternity of the Soul" and I guess I'm a "hermit" now too?? My day is complete if the 4 dogs have been fed and hopefully walked and the dishes are done. Is this a 'full day' or 'fool day'? My vessel is only 51 and I've been retired from the cop shop for 10 years now and don't have any "wants" Some, I'd opine those who think this is it and might even be wearing a YOLO hoodie?
Be cautious but unafraid when You take that trip "inside" that is why "They" (The Establishment, TPTB, etc. et al..) try and keep folks distracted. They want You watching t.v. while on the computer while talking on the phone and be busy, busy, busy doing anything other than delving into what is YOU, the 'other Me'...
Om Bava ShaviYa Om
originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: dominicus
After much searching within the more esoteric teachings, I am settled right now with Eckhart Tolle.
I live in the moment, aware of my heart beat, breathing, thirst, hunger, all of who I am is in the now.
Awareness quiets the subconscious. It's your subconscious and you can do anything you want with it. I chose not to let it dictate my life. Unfortunately most of the world are terribly unaware, and victims to their own subconscious.
originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: dominicus
It does sound very much like what is described here is indeed very similar or the same as state of mania... the manic processes a person's brain goes through when they are experiencing the manic side of bipolar disorder.
The problem I have is that this period of mania is often followed by a period of psychosis, a period in which a person can not control their thoughts or actions and is a danger to others and themselves.
I have trouble believing the subconscious mind is being unlocked here. I am more inclined to believe mania is the onset or a sign of the onset of psychosis.
I am however compelled to research your thread with an open mind in the hope that my presumptions are wrong and you and the hermit are correct.
originally posted by: suz62
originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
a reply to: and14263
This is why mental illness can be a catalyst for expanded notions and understanding of reality, it can very much be like a natural initiation if approached in the right way.
It can also ultimately be overcome if a person is willing to apply themselves.
You don't know s*** about mental illness.
originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: and14263
Danger holds the exit, fearful means shutdown even more to "feel better" .
Oh well, I guess taking more meds is the best NON-DANGEROUS solution.
Well, let’s go back and talk about schizophrenia for just a second. The question is, you know, schizophrenia involves basically breaking with ordinary value systems, and how does it relate to the psychedelic state; and people who have schizophrenic relatives in their family tree, how should they relate to the psychedelic experience, and so forth, I mean I’m extrapolating, but that’s the basic thing.
Well, there are different things to be said about this. I mean, first of all, how many psychiatric residents – who are the people who come most in contact with schizophrenics, whatever that means – how many psychiatric residents have ever seen an undrugged schizophrenic? Very, very few. Because the very first thing that happens is, for the convenience of physicians and the nursing staff, some outlandish drug is brought into the picture, which then deflects this healing process from ever reaching any kind of natural conclusion. Schizophrenia is just a catch-all term for forms of mental behaviour that we don’t understand. In the 19th century, there was a term “melancholia”, which we would now call bipolar depression, so forth and so on. But all forms of sadness, unhappiness, maladaptation, so forth and so on, were poured into this label “melancholia”.
Now, schizophrenia is a similar thing. I can remember an experience I had years ago, it was in the Tolman Library at the University of California, which is the psych library, and I was looking up some drug or something, and I just saw a book and I pulled it off the shelf, a book about schizophrenia. And it said, the typical schizophrenic lives in a world of twilight imagining, marginal to his society, incapable of holding a regular job, these people live on the fringes, content to drift in their own self-created value systems. That’s it! That’s it! Now I understand! We have no tradition of shamanism. We have no tradition of journeying into these mental worlds. We are terrified of madness. We fear it because the Western mind is a house of cards, and the people who built that house of cards know that, and they are terrified of madness.
Tim Leary once said – or I gave him credit for saying; he later told me he never said it – but whoever said it, this was a brilliant statement; someone once said, “'___' is a psychedelic substance which occasionally causes psychotic behaviour in people who have not taken it.” – right? And I would bet you that more people have exhibited psychotic behaviour from not taking '___', but just thinking about it, than ever exhibited it from taking it – certainly in my family. I watched my parents both go psychotic from the mere fact that '___' existed; they would never have taken it. There is a great phobia about the mind: the Western mind is very queasy when first principles are questioned. Rarer than corpses in this society are the untreated mad, because we can’t come to terms with that.
A shaman is someone who swims in the same ocean as the schizophrenic, but the shaman has thousands and thousands of years of sanctioned technique and tradition to draw upon. In a traditional society, if you exhibited “schizophrenic” tendencies, you are immediately drawn out of the pack and put under the care and tutelage of master shamans. You are told, You are special. Your abilities are very central to the health of our society. You will cure. You will prophesy. You will guide our society in its most fundamental decisions. Contrast this with what a person exhibiting schizophrenic activity in our society is told. They’re told, You don’t fit in. You are becoming a problem, You don’t pull your own weight. You are not of equal worth to the rest of us. You are sick. You have to go to the hospital. You have to be locked up. You are on a par with prisoners and lost dogs in our society. So that treatment of schizophrenia makes it incurable. Imagine if you were slightly odd, and the solution were to take you and put you – lock you into a place where everyone was seriously mad. That would drive anyone mad! If you’ve ever been in a madhouse, you know that it’s an environment calculated to make you crazy and to keep you crazy. This would never happen in an aboriginal or traditional society.
That self-proclaimed hermit says in his 2nd post that he walked around a "Ghost City" before where there were ghosts who think they are alive, have jobs, "eat" at restaurants, own houses, etc. He even says he was talking to them.... How can we take this seriously?
And you can eat a psychedelic shroom, sit in a blank room with no sensory distractions, and have the same effect that he described. You'll feel overwhelming joy, bliss, sometimes "contact" otherworldly beings, and feel like there's 2 of you who are one in the same. I can't advocate this because it would be against T&C, but it's what I did before. What is the difference between doing this and meditating if it's chemically the same on a physiological level?