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Either way, how do the chemtrail pushers explain this away?
2. the upper atmosphere where planes fly was not conducive for persistent contrail formation.
originally posted by: SkaffaWhy are you so heavily against the idea of chemtrails?
But geo-engineering is real, and it includes spraying chemicals using planes.
We just don't know if and to what extent it is being used..
and we can't.
them being lumped in with geo-engineering is a bad thing.
Well I'm against them because illicitly spraying bad stuff in the atmosphere would be...er....bad!
That's news to me - can you link to some evidence please??
But you just said that we do know that it is being done - you are confusing me - do we know or don't we??
Why not? we can test for all sorts of stuff.
originally posted by: Skaffa
them being lumped in with geo-engineering is a bad thing.
You also cannot debunk it since you can't prove a negative. That might be why Bigfoot is still talked about but still.
Well I'm against them because illicitly spraying bad stuff in the atmosphere would be...er....bad!
I wasn't talking about contrails themselves. I said ''the idea'', as in the notion that they are real.
That's news to me - can you link to some evidence please??
Ever heard of Agent Orange?
Also this.
But you just said that we do know that it is being done - you are confusing me - do we know or don't we??
We don't know if it is being done THIS moment in time, and to what extent.
Why not? we can test for all sorts of stuff.
Only declassified documents count as proof in these kinds of scenarios.
Stop being a wise-ass please.
has nothing to do with chemtrails or geoengineering...sorry.
Here you go...
we can certainly debunk the "evidence" that is provided - contrails can't persist, contrails can't expand, contrails never used to do this, this water sample with aluminium proves chemtrails, etc.
In my opinion, chemtrails are what uninformed folks point to in the sky and claim to know it's something evil, or not normal. The people who think that every contrail that persists must be a chemtrail because........some idiot told them it was that way.
''Geoengineering is the application of geosciences, where mechanics, mathematics, physics, chemistry, and geology are used to understand and shape our interaction with the earth.'' - Wiki
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Geoengineers work in areas of (1) mining, including surface and subsurface excavations, and rock burst mitigation; (2) energy, including hydraulic fracturing and drilling for exploration and production of water, oil, or gas; (3) infrastructure, including underground transportation systems and isolation of nuclear and hazardous wastes; and (4) environment, including groundwater flow, contaminant transport and remediation, and hydraulic structures.
This article is about engineering and geosciences. For intervention in the Earth’s climate system, see climate engineering.
This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (September 2013)
Climate engineering, also referred to as geoengineering, is the deliberate and large-scale intervention in the Earth’s climatic system with the aim of reducing global warming.[1][2][3] Climate engineering has two categories of technologies- carbon dioxide removal and solar radiation management. Carbon dioxide removal addresses a cause of climate change by removing one of the greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Solar radiation management attempts to offset effects of greenhouse gases by causing the Earth to absorb less solar radiation.
Geoengineering has been proposed as a potential third option for tackling global warming, alongside mitigation and adaptation.[4] Scientists do not typically suggest geoengineering the climate as an alternative to emissions control, but rather an accompanying strategy.[5] Reviews of geoengineering techniques for climate control have emphasised that they are not substitutes for emission controls and have identified potentially stronger and weaker schemes.[6][7][8] The costs, benefits, and risks of many geoengineering approaches to climate change are not well understood.[9][10]
No known large-scale climate engineering projects have taken place to date. Almost all research has consisted of computer modelling or laboratory tests, and attempts to move to real-world experimentation have proved controversial. Some limited tree planting[11] and cool roof[12] projects are already underway. Ocean iron fertilization has been given small-scale research trials.[13]Field research into sulfur aerosols has also started.[14]
originally posted by: Skaffa
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Agent Orange has nothing to do with chemtrails?
They literally sprayed chemicals using aerial vehicles.
How does this not prove that similar things have happened?
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Skaffa
I can't evaluate that final statement about sulfur aerosols as they are not mentioned in the abstract of the cited paper.
Injections of sulfate aerosol into the stratosphere is the most popular and most likely geoengineering option implemented because – compared to a global shift to alternative sources of energy than fossil fuel – this option is simple and inexpensive: it could be deployed in less than two years by existing government contractors, such as Boeing and Lockheed Martin, who would vie for lucrative contracts to control the Earth's climate. Though most scientists are quite sure that the combination of increasing carbon dioxide and stratospheric aerosols would lead to profound changes in the climate (including those listed above), the research studies to quantify these changes have not yet been done. With inadequate science to inform a debate on this extremely dangerous proposal for a geoengineering solution to global warming, it is difficult to imagine that governments won't take the seemingly easy out and deploy this last-gasp technology to mitigate some of the global warming problem, rather than shift the global economy away from fossil to alternative clean fuels.
We are using state-of-the-art climate models to simulate and quantify the impact of this geoengineering "solution" on the regional and global climate, and to further quantify the impact that these climate changes will have on global food security. Our hope is that our findings will catalyze an informed debate on whether we should pursue this 'solution' before this it becomes an uninformed fait accompli.