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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme
You asked what my point was. I reminded you because you seemed to have forgotten.
And what is that supposed to be?
You started out blaming "them" for the state of the world. My point is that "them" is "us."
On the contrary, I acknowledge that. I have acknowledged that for a long time. I have acknowledged that such interests are the driving force in the denial of AGW. But that isn't the point. The point is that if anything is going to be done differently, it us us who will end up changing our ways. They have obtained their power because we bought what they have been selling.
You are being intellectually dishonest with this conversation, you are not acknowledging what is beyond our control, like politicians ignoring voters iniatives in DC, the massive oil lobbying industry to keep renewable energies too expensive.
No doubt you can find something super smart to respond with to show my ignorance to something I just said, but thankfully people that have been on these boards for a while can see through someone with an agenda.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jaws1975
On the contrary, I acknowledge that. I have acknowledged that for a long time. I have acknowledged that such interests are the driving force in the denial of AGW. But that isn't the point. The point is that if anything is going to be done differently, it us us who will end up changing our ways. They have obtained their power because we bought what they have been selling.
You are being intellectually dishonest with this conversation, you are not acknowledging what is beyond our control, like politicians ignoring voters iniatives in DC, the massive oil lobbying industry to keep renewable energies too expensive.
No doubt you can find something super smart to respond with to show my ignorance to something I just said, but thankfully people that have been on these boards for a while can see through someone with an agenda.
You think I have an agenda because I accept responsibility for my actions and those around me? Don't you think we should?
BTW, what do you think that agenda might be? Do you think I enjoy the fact that my daughter's world will be a less pleasant one than than I grew up in?
I think you feel screwed like the rest of us. Like the rest of us, you post on a website and do nothing. Your post are just rants cause you know you can do nothing about it.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jlafleur02
I think you feel screwed like the rest of us. Like the rest of us, you post on a website and do nothing. Your post are just rants cause you know you can do nothing about it.
Maybe. But the difference may be that I don't think that "they" are to blame. Whether or not anything can be done to lessen the destruction.
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originally posted by: jlafleur02
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jlafleur02
I think you feel screwed like the rest of us. Like the rest of us, you post on a website and do nothing. Your post are just rants cause you know you can do nothing about it.
Maybe. But the difference may be that I don't think that "they" are to blame. Whether or not anything can be done to lessen the destruction.
1971:
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They are not. Its human nature for some to want more. some don't its just there job. Do you think anything can be actually done though? Its a huge machine built over many decades. I have children also and wished it were different.
Your to smart to think otherwise. I do enjoy your post though!
I'm humble?
Why?
originally posted by: caladonea
a reply to: TrueAmerican
Fifty years from now...planet Earth will be very difficult to survive on; unless we make some serious changes now.
I believe humanity is at a crossroads; it is really scarey to me; what the future may be for all of us.
but it's muddying the waters to not be placing 90+ % of the blame on our handlers
The question now is how can we, the small guys, counter the destruction of the planet today? On an individual basis, how can any of us make a serious enough impact to change the world?
originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: Vortiki
The question now is how can we, the small guys, counter the destruction of the planet today? On an individual basis, how can any of us make a serious enough impact to change the world?
I don't think we can, I think this is a spiritual matter now.
I don't have a problem with centralized banking.
Did you have a choice to join the military? I am assuming that's why you went to Iraq.
Who told you that paying taxes is voluntary?
Yeah. I've heard that.
You should, an iou fiat note system is unsustainable.
I didn't like it either. That's what happens when you are a citizen of a representative republic. Not perfect but better than other alternatives.
Sorry, I meant I as in we the country didn't have a choice, I wasn't in the military.
No, they didn't. Paying income tax is not voluntary. What is "voluntary" is me telling the IRS how much income tax I owe instead of them telling me. Of course, they can always come back at me and tell I did it wrong...or I lied. I could then go to court over it. Haven't had the need.
The IRS did,
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme
Nice cop out.
As for the ones who created the mess and introduced the solution
We collectively created the mess. Because we like to burn coal and petroleum. Because we like to eat lots of steak. Because we can. Because it's cheap and easy.
There's a solution? Where?