North Korea parades an American "Conspiracy Theorist" who denounces the U.S. system

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: InTheLight

If you're going to dream things for North Korea why not dream that they had a society that would actually do something like that? Dream that they didn't invent history for their leaders (like how they came up with hamburgers?) and weren't a closed society that sends people to "reeducation camps" and the like? Just seems a bit silly to me to wish their current society allowed for something like open debate I guess

Actually, I would prefer to see open debate everywhere and there is nothing silly about wanting to improve this world and governments.

a reply to: InTheLight

Yea that's not what I said. I said wishing North Korea had allowed this guy to square off in an open debate is silly. Wishing North Korea was a government that encouraged open debate and was not a closed society is perfectly fine, but not what your original comment was. That would be my point.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

I'm all for being against the corruption that ensnares DC. I'm all for conspiracy theories.

I'm not all for willingly going to NoKo to denounce America. At that point, it would be calling the pot calling the kettle black.

Murica bad! So I went to North Korea!

Derp.

If the guys family was from NoKo I might have some understanding of this but clearly he's from round dere.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: InTheLight

Yea that's not what I said. I said wishing North Korea had allowed this guy to square off in an open debate is silly. Wishing North Korea was a government that encouraged open debate and was not a closed society is perfectly fine, but not what your original comment was. That would be my point.

I was sharing what I personally would like to see whether in a closed society or an open (debatable) society, as well I wonder how many North Koreans that were listening to him were wanting to hear an opposing view.

a reply to: HanaDambi

You wanna read propaganda? Check out their online English news site.

www.kcna.co.jp...

Where are all the people flocking to cross into N Korea any way they can?

a reply to: InTheLight

They will, as much as the USA population does.

a reply to: starwarsisreal
At least kim approves thats encouraging.

a reply to: InTheLight

I think a more interesting question would be how many North Koreans could even understand the concept to begin with.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: InTheLight

I think a more interesting question would be how many North Koreans could even understand the concept to begin with.

Indeed, that may be the question of the day and the sad reality.

It seems that the guy really is crazy!

But his mother, Patricia Eugenia Martinez, told CNN that her 29-year-old son has bipolar disorder and had previously tried to enter North Korea by swimming across a river but was apprehended and sent back to the United States, where he was treated at a psychiatric hospital in California.

South Korean marines arrested an American in September after catching him trying to swim across the Han River border into North Korea. The man was said to be in his early 30s, but no further details emerged. It is not clear whether that person was Martinez.

Martinez’s mother told CNN that after his release from the psychiatric hospital, he took out a payday loan online and bought a plane ticket to China, where he apparently made it across that country’s Yalu River border and into North Korea.

Despite his insistence that he had not been detained, it was not clear whether Martinez, who said he wanted asylum in Venezuela, would be free to leave.

so, he wants asylum in Venezuela but he ended up in north korea? seems like someone made a wrong turn at the RIO Grande. lol

originally posted by: HanaDambi

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
But what makes this idiot a maniac is the fact he went into the North Korea and we all know what's going on down there.

What exactly is "going on down" in North Korea? Are you refering to all the propaganda you see on/in the news? How do you KNOW any of this stuff is actually true? You don't...therefore you don't know that the guy is an idiot or a maniac for going into North Korea. He says he's not being detained...

We know what was said about all countries with closed borders in the past that are now open and when they did become open the truth was far worse than the stories. I have absolutely no doubt that NK will be the same. The real conditions will be far worse than we are led to believe.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: intrptr

But what makes this idiot a maniac is the fact he went into the North Korea and we all know what's going on down there.

a reply to: Dabrazzo

Sooner or later he would be begging for us to bring him home.

I dunno... James Joseph Dresnok defected after the Korean war and became an actor/celebrity. He's had a pretty cushy life as a result.

a reply to: stirling

in a way, it's kinda smart...hell, more of us should do it....

if i wasn't afraid of rendition, indefinite detention, or being "disappeared"(read: secretly killed), i'd go there, they pay me money, i talk some s**t about america, and then i laugh all the way to the bank....i mean, every dollar they pay someone to talk s**t about america, is a dollar less they have to do evil, stupid s**t with, AMIRITE?

a reply to: starwarsisreal
Well, in my tin foil hat wearing, nutter, maniac opinion. This whole Twilight Zone episode wreaks of just one more way to further alienate and marginalize anyone who entertains or discusses conspiracies.

Oh, you're one of those people, like that traitor who defected to North Korea?

Conspiracy = Traitor

I'm one critical of many U.S. policies, bemoan the obvious corruption and know we aren't as wonderful or supportive of human rights as we'd like to think we are, but N.Korea? Really?

It's a sad world where NK and US are the choices for an actual bastion of reasoned governance... though he probably wouldn't have made news if he migrated to Denmark, Norway or Sweden... heh.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: InTheLight

Yea that's not what I said. I said wishing North Korea had allowed this guy to square off in an open debate is silly. Wishing North Korea was a government that encouraged open debate and was not a closed society is perfectly fine, but not what your original comment was. That would be my point.

No they allow open debate all right... So long as you follow the party line!

Not that I was alive then, but North Korea reminds me of an early days communist China from what I've read.

Maybe because its simply a smaller country than China the totalitarian grip on power has been able to persist a lot longer.

originally posted by: funkadeliaaaa

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: InTheLight

Yea that's not what I said. I said wishing North Korea had allowed this guy to square off in an open debate is silly. Wishing North Korea was a government that encouraged open debate and was not a closed society is perfectly fine, but not what your original comment was. That would be my point.

No they allow open debate all right... So long as you follow the party line!

Not that I was alive then, but North Korea reminds me of an early days communist China from what I've read.

Maybe because its simply a smaller country than China the totalitarian grip on power has been able to persist a lot longer.

Open debate, but watch what you say and think or there will be consequences.

a reply to: stirling

Sign me up!!! I could come up with all kinds of fun ish to blab about on NoKo tv if they are paying good lol.

I wonder if uncle same would let you pay taxes on that income and if said taxes would be enough to let it slide lol

a reply to: mindseye1609

Good idea, kinda sounds like the Dave Letterman show, but the North Korea version. Always plenty going on to have a good laugh about.