Rising sea levels could make Florida residents climate refugees

Living in Florida is a priveledge for the wealthy. A good number of folks in that region get free houses and income checks every few years when the hurricanes tear everything apart anyways so if they got anything really to whine about I couldn't tell you what that would be. They won't be affected nearly as much as say, someone in Georgia or Mississippi will take the climate change. They'll pack their $4599.99 Louis Vuitton bags up and move to another wealthy neighborhood in a higher altitude. Why this should be a real concern for anyone else I couldn't tell you.




a reply to: stirling

a reply to: Asynchrony

Living in Florida is a priveledge for the wealthy.

Median household income in Miami-Dade county: $43,100
Population below poverty level: 19.9%

Doesn't sound particularly privileged or rich.
quickfacts.census.gov...

a reply to: JimNasium

The fact that Rick Scott's exploits are well known yet he still managed to get elected twice now is incredibly dis-heartening. The stupidity of the ill informed voter is truly infinite.

I saw a few political ads for Scott and read what his supporters posted, it is almost comical except that is reality and we are stuck with a governor that is a crook who will continue to do things like gut the education budget.

nope, I was sitting on Daytona beach today and the water is in the same place. nothing to see here move on.

How highs the water mama?.......................
One meter is 39. something inches.....and even that would take out Floridas infrastructure................quick send them even more rich people......they'll need the tax base.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Emeraldous

This only effects the rich bastards that own property on the beach, so sucks to be them.

No. Seawater incursion does not just affect beaches.

Half a metre of sea level rise, which Wanless says will probably happen by mid-century, will mean Miami will lose its freshwater resources.

Once the sea level reaches a metre higher, all of South Florida’s infrastructure – roads, sewers, water treatment facilities, electricity, hospitals, schools – “will have to be totally redone.”

www.cbc.ca...

BTW this is an outcrop of the way another member thought about the Amazon Warehouse thing.

Not really.

I think he might be underestimating how quickly this can happen.

The highest spot in the city is only 12 ft or so above sea level - and recall that sea level in a location is the mean height of the ocean between low and high tides. Remember those tides - during king tides now (ultra high tides that occur a few days in spring and fall), the lowest areas of Miami are flooding. The spots flooding now are 5+ feet above sea level.

Storms can also contribute to high tides (like what happened with Sandy). Daily tides regularly are 2-3 feet above sea level in Miami. People will get tired of living in America's Venice pretty quickly.

Regarding melting ice/snow - it takes a little while for water to travel, so it's not immediate (locally, the sea is higher, as it is when there is water runoff from storms). Also, due to centrifugal force, sea level is higher nearer the equator than the poles. Additionally, there are gravitational anomalies that change the height of the sea - some areas in the middle of the ocean are higher or lower than areas adjoining these spots. Currents like the Gulf Stream also alter the sea level from what it would be.

When we talk about sea level rise of Xmm/Yyears, this is generally a global average - some spots are going to see a heck of a lot higher rise than others.

In general terms, the greater percentage of the wealthy and unemployed in the USA move to Florida or are already there. Wealthy Americans who are retired or do not a thing other than enjoy their wealth are included in that unemployed %. Unemployment numbers account for all of whoever are not employed no matter how much they got in the bank.



a reply to: Phage

a reply to: Greven
sea level is higher nearer the equator than the poles.


But the tides are higher and lower at the poles......

a reply to: Asynchrony

Wealthy Americans who are retired or do not a thing other than enjoy their wealth are included in that unemployed %. Unemployment numbers account for all of whoever are not employed no matter how much they got in the bank.

What unemployment numbers? I quoted none and there are none on the page I linked.

So let me see if I have this straight:

Climatologists are jumping on their soapboxes screaming doom porn for coastal areas in the very near future...

And the political arena's answer to that doom porn is to build up these areas even more, including nuclear power plants ?!




... anyone still holding their breath that we're going to save the world from a global warming disaster ??

... anyone still buying into the bull# propaganda being spewed by your oh-so-green political representatives ??



Yeah, I thought not.

Were not gonna save the world....and its highly doubtful well save ourselves......
We are probably a momentary aberration in four billion years....and so it goes.............

This latest vid presentation is well worth a watch . In it the author shows both a historical climate connection with the sun and how glaciers ,ocean currents , sea level rises can have their origins correlated with the sun's output levels in the past and in the present .What he shows is the rate of the changes and what the mechanisms operating in the natural cycles we have records of .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Past is not present, because in the past, humans were not increasing the greenhouse concentration at such a high rate.

There is no significant recent change in the Sun's output, and the Milankovitch forcings from orbital effects peaked in about 8000BC and are declining, i.e. in the absence of human influence, we would be going to a colder climate state.

(Milankovitch forcing is somewhat complicated, but one main aspect is solar insolation in summer at high latitudes---the net energy doesn't change that much but the distribution over seasons & latitudes does, and that influences ocean currents over hundreds/thousands of years and that influences glaciation & northern ice and that influences albedo ....)

Oh that is only a warm up to this Physics lecture on CO2 that shows that it is impossible for it to cause any warming It is in english . a reply to: mbkennel

originally posted by: Asynchrony
In general terms, the greater percentage of the wealthy and unemployed in the USA move to Florida or are already there. Wealthy Americans who are retired or do not a thing other than enjoy their wealth are included in that unemployed %. Unemployment numbers account for all of whoever are not employed no matter how much they got in the bank.



a reply to: Phage

Not according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

What are the basic concepts of employment and unemployment?
The basic concepts involved in identifying the employed and unemployed are quite simple:

People with jobs are employed.

People who are jobless, looking for a job, and available for work are unemployed.

The labor force is made up of the employed and the unemployed.

People who are neither employed nor unemployed are not in the labor force.

... People are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work.

Just thought you might like to know.

a reply to: doobydoll

There is all ready one nuke plant on the coast south of Miami @ Turkey Point near Homestead. What's two more gonna hurt?