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The Supreme Court Says Unanimously Your Boss Can Make You Work For Free

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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:27 PM
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America is evolving to a fascistic fraudulent state and oligarchic police state
pretending to be a democracy.

A decision like this is only the beginning it will get much worse

With the GOP congress and an eventual GOP in the white house WHICH WILL MAKE THIS SUPREME COURT WORSE

We are doomed!

And it’s the fault of the American people.

There are enough brainwashed poor idiots ( who vote for candidates who don’t serve their interest) who vote in the fascist GOP and rich slime who vote them in because they are their puppets.

I pity the young people of America

You should go see Hunger Games and look at your future




posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: Willtell




A decision like this is only the beginning it will get much worse

The original decision was made in 1947. The recent decision simply cited it.



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: akushla99

Ya...we never hear of customers complaining of waiting in a line...sensors at amazon for staff?...seems like the most intelligent solution...but that would cost money, rather offset that layout, by lining thieving staff up after a shift and search them.


You think the employees are being hand searched?

They say workers at the Amazon plants take up to 25 minutes to wait in line to pass through metal detectors, a statement which Amazon countered.
www.techtimes.com...


No I don't.
My question is...Why is thier employee pilfer program Not picking up the translated figures of employee theft?

I don't have a problem with the expedient and effective programs of security measures. $6.99 is $7.00! 90 seconds (up to) is a minute and a half, multiplied by 5 working days equals, 7.5 minutes. Over the course of a year, this translates as time without pay...that amazon (or any company) would not tolerate from any worker...it strikes me as a type of hypocrisy that many have come to expect.

Cheers

Å99

Now you are complaining about 90 seconds when you earlier said the problem was 30 minutes and if it was shorter it would not be a problem.

Do they need to get paid to walk to their car too?

Seriously your argument has gone from bad to ridiculous.


Include my quote where I earlier said "...the problem was 30 minutes".

Seriously, your claim that my argument has gone from bad to ridiculous is laughable.

Å99

It's possible the 30 minutes claim was made by someone else other than you, but I am 100% certain you claimed the problem was they did not invest in modern security equipment, which is false, they did, that is why the searches are not taking the claimed 25-30 minutes, and are instead very fast.



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

the time it takes is not relevant
doesnt matter if its 90 seconds or 25-30 minutes

you think it doesnt matter if each employee loses a small amount?
it adds up
what would the company do if an employee ripped them off several hundred dollars?

...... oh right


very telling that your entire argument has deteriorated into how much time is actually being lost by the employees
is it a little.....is it a lot? (when really the focus should be on the fact that time is being lost)


now if youll excuse me i have to go make a long distance phone call (dont worry though i dont have to pay because its going to be under 2 minutes)

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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: sirhumperdink



the time it takes is not relevant doesnt matter if its 90 seconds or 25-30 minutes


I guess I should be paid for driving to work then? Riding the elevator to my office? Driving home? I mean, that would be cool, but I don't think I "deserve" it.

What about that 2 or 3 minutes spent flirting with the blonde instead of working? Let's dock that pay. Fair enough?




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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: sirhumperdink

what would the company do if an employee ripped them off several hundred dollars.


That's exactly what the employees would do --- if they knew they were being paid until they exited the building.


edit on 14-12-2014 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: sirhumperdink



the time it takes is not relevant doesnt matter if its 90 seconds or 25-30 minutes


I guess I should be paid for driving to work then? Riding the elevator to my office? Driving home? I mean, that would be cool, but I don't think I "deserve" it.

What about that 2 or 3 minutes spent flirting with the blond instead of working? Let's dock that pay. Fair enough?





how is that relevant
explain yourself

really i would love to hear you explain how that was related to my post



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: Annee

so you say

then again im not talking to you so have a good one

edit: what i meant to say is i will not be talking with you as i do not believe you are bringing anything of substance to the table
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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: sirhumperdink

really i would love to hear you explain how that was related to my post

You were complaining about 90 seconds of "unpaid" time while the employee was still in the building.
How is that different from an elevator ride or walking downstairs? I guess I could jump out the window at 5:00 but on second thought...

Why is it ok to not be working while on the clock (talking, flirting) but ok to expect to be paid after your shift is over and you aren't doing your job any more?



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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:53 PM
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originally posted by: sirhumperdink
a reply to: Annee

so you say

then again im not talking to you so have a good one


Open discussion.

Deal with it.



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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Amazon is one of the chosen oligarchic companies that will rule in the future dystopia such as Microsoft, Exxon-Mobile, Citi, Monsanto, Wall Mart, and many more, that we are in-fact already experiencing: It’s called dystopian fascism.
But America is much worse than the simple fascists because they are getting our souls f-up as well as our bodies.

They have sold us to Hell



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: Willtell
Amazon was not the employer. Just to clarify.



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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: Phage

It doesnt matter



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 08:03 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: sirhumperdink

really i would love to hear you explain how that was related to my post

You were complaining about 90 seconds of "unpaid" time while the employee was still in the building.
How is that different from an elevator ride or walking downstairs?

Why is it ok to not be working will on the clock (talking, flirting) but ok to expect to be paid after your shift is over?



ok so then should every second you are not technically working be unpaid?
what constitutes working?
how about those seconds between the button clicks?
how about those pauses for thought?
what about company meetings? (youre not working youre merely discussing work)

it is part of the job if it is required

is it required?
yes
then its part of the job

if you disagree then i would recommend every pause in your day be deducted from your pay no matter how long or short (if you are paid salary..... your salary will be reduce by whatever percentage of your average work day was "wasted".....and trust me.....its going to be a lot)
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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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I have to agree with those saying that if the employees don't like this treatment, they should find another job.

I worked in a warehouse that was run like a prison (yellow lines to walk along, or you got written up, no running, if you were seen talking to another employee, even if it was work-related, you could be written up. We also had to go through a security line before leaving the building, the list goes on). It was steady work, but the aggravation wasn't worth it. So guess what I did? I found a job in another warehouse that wasn't run like that. I have bills, and responsibilities (Married with three kids), but I did it to improve my situation.
Everyday, I read the bitching, and whining of my former co-workers, blathering on about how terrible it is to work there, yet they remain. It's their own damn fault that they haven't left the place.

The supreme court has ruled against these people, so it would appear that if they don't like it, their remaining option is to find another job.
edit on 12/14/2014 by ProfessorChaos because: clarification



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: sirhumperdink

ok so then should every second you are not technically working be unpaid?
what constitutes working?
Simple, doing what I was hired to do.
The warehouse workers were not hired to go through security after their shift was done. I was not hired to ride the elevator after 5:00. I'm not working when I'm in the elevator and they aren't working when they are going through security on their way out of the building.




if you disagree then i would recommend every pause in your day be deducted from your pay no matter how long or short
I don't agree. That's the point.



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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: Phage

right then you would agree to having every second that you are not physically working on whatever task you were hired to do deducted from your pay?

you can lie
its not like well ever know



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: sirhumperdink




right then you would agree to having every second that you are not physically working on whatever task you were hired to do deducted from your pay?

That isn't what I said.

The point was, if the warehouse worker expects to be paid for time spent leaving the building, they should also expect to have their time docked for the time they spend not actually doing their job.

I don't expect to be paid to ride the elevator and I don't expect to be docked for time spent talking to co-workers.



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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I for one, take the contractors point of view while on company premises.
All time behind company walls are billable hours. If there is a re-occurring process that detains you from leaving at regular time, then you either get paid for it, or the company releases you earlier, at it's discretion, so you can meet that requirement.

That aside, a bottleneck at a security station is stupid. Mexico customs office has a great "No Tolerance" solution. People go through the checkpoint and are only challenged when a random red light goes on. Then you get searched. Period, no exceptions.



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: akushla99

Ya...we never hear of customers complaining of waiting in a line...sensors at amazon for staff?...seems like the most intelligent solution...but that would cost money, rather offset that layout, by lining thieving staff up after a shift and search them.


You think the employees are being hand searched?

They say workers at the Amazon plants take up to 25 minutes to wait in line to pass through metal detectors, a statement which Amazon countered.
www.techtimes.com...


No I don't.
My question is...Why is thier employee pilfer program Not picking up the translated figures of employee theft?

I don't have a problem with the expedient and effective programs of security measures. $6.99 is $7.00! 90 seconds (up to) is a minute and a half, multiplied by 5 working days equals, 7.5 minutes. Over the course of a year, this translates as time without pay...that amazon (or any company) would not tolerate from any worker...it strikes me as a type of hypocrisy that many have come to expect.

Cheers

Å99

Now you are complaining about 90 seconds when you earlier said the problem was 30 minutes and if it was shorter it would not be a problem.

Do they need to get paid to walk to their car too?

Seriously your argument has gone from bad to ridiculous.


Include my quote where I earlier said "...the problem was 30 minutes".

Seriously, your claim that my argument has gone from bad to ridiculous is laughable.

Å99

It's possible the 30 minutes claim was made by someone else other than you, but I am 100% certain you claimed the problem was they did not invest in modern security equipment, which is false, they did, that is why the searches are not taking the claimed 25-30 minutes, and are instead very fast.


It's not only 'possible'...it indeed wasn't me - so next time you might want to read the fine print before assuming to devolve my 'argument' into the ridiculous...

My argument, from the beginning (and, with respect to both sides of this problem) is Why there would be a 'wait' of any period of time...if they have a 'gate' beeper, the time it takes should equal the amount of time it takes to walk through the front door...but apparently not. I am perplexed from a time&motion aspect - a time delay that appears to be being bourne by all. There are scant details, but, the timing issue (for me) seems to be the sticking point...especially when the 1.5minutes are accrued over a year...

Any time wasting by employees should be being 3x warned and then you're outta here...but, waste my time any more than a walk through the door, or a drive outta the car park and home, and I'd say there was a problem with the size, complexity, maintenance etc. of thier installed wizzbang device.

Å99




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