One of the worst Serial Killers in history was just arrested

this is a quick write up even though the name is mis spelled.
also, i am aware that kuklinski retracted his statement about killing hoffa but i still believe it.

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Mister Softee Robert Prongay sold ice cream out of his truck to kids in North Bergen, even as he was dreaming up unique new ways to kill someone. He was an army-trained demolitions expert who was highly versed in the art of destruction. He teamed up with Kuklinski for several deals in the pornography trade, doing hits for Roy DeMeo when needed. Kuklinski learned a lot from Mister Softee. One thing that Prongay was good at was using various types of drugs and chemicals to take a life, though he preferred cyanide. He taught Kuklinski how to put cyanide into a spray bottle, which could be used quickly and easily to take someone out. Once the poison got into them through the nose, they were gone. He even demonstrated the technique, and in less than fifteen seconds Kuklinski watched a man fall down dead in the street. Somehow Prongay managed to get cyanide quite easily and Kuklinski never learned his source. Prongay also experimented with other things. He wanted to know, for example, if a body kept frozen could foil the medical examiner's reading for time of death. If so, then a killer did not have to worry about an alibi. Louis Masgay became the guinea pig. Masgay was to bring a rather large amount of cash to Kuklinski for a shipment of blank videotapes. He'd already attempted this exchange several times before, and each time Kuklinski had stood him up. Masgay didn't realize that this was part of Kuklinski's MO: get his targets all worked up over some nonexistent deal, increasing both the anticipation and the price each time. On July 1, 1981, Masgay left his home in Pennsylvania with around $95,000, expecting a huge profit. But he never returned. The only sign that something had happened to him was his abandoned van, found on Route 17 in Bergen County. The secret panel in which he'd kept the cash had been ripped out and the money was gone. From different stories pieced together, it's apparent that Mister Softee helped Kuklinski hide the body. One witness later claimed to have seen it hanging in a large industrial freezer in a warehouse rented by Kuklinski, but there was some reason to believe that the corpse had lain for at least part of the time in the freezer in Mr. Softee's ice cream truck----the one out of which he served ice cream. No other freezer was found in the garages of either Kuklinski or Prongay large enough to store a body. It was two years before Masgay's body was actually found, just over the Jersey border in Rockland County, New York. He'd been shot and wrapped in plastic garbage bags. Oddly, he had on the same clothing he'd worn the day he vanished, but the medical examiner thought the body looked fresh. Yet during the autopsy, ice crystals inside the tissues gave away what had happened. Had Kuklinski only waited until the corpse had thoroughly thawed, he'd have gotten away with his attempt to foil the reading of the postmortem interval. When Masgay was identified through his fingerprints, Kuklinski became a chief suspect. The cops started calling him the Iceman. Yet that didn't stop Kuklinski. He went on to kill a pharmacist, Paul Hoffman, 51, in the spring of 1982. Hoffman had been pestering him endlessly to get a shipment of Tagamet, a prescription ulcer medication, for a cut-rate price. Kuklinski had nothing for him but led him to believe a shipment was in. Hoffman was to bring $25,000. Hoffman put the cash together and went eagerly to see Kuklinski at his rented garage in North Bergen, New Jersey. That was the last his family ever saw of him. Kuklinski eventually admitted to shooting and beating him with a tire iron, and then cementing the pharmacist into another steel drum. He left the drum outside a motel next to a hot dog stand in Little Ferry, New Jersey. Occasionally he'd go have a hot dog and see if the barrel had been discovered. Eventually, it was just gone. Apparently someone had moved it and to this day Hoffman's body was never found. Then in 1984, it was Mister Softee's turn to die. He argued over something with Kuklinski and threatened his family. That was sufficient for Kuklinski to get rid of him. Robert Prongay was found shot to death in his Mister Softee truck in his garage in North Bergen…just across the street from Kuklinski's garage. Unfortunately for him, he'd also cut off his source of cyanide, which would prove regretful in the near future.

a reply to: Grovit

You really have done your research G.
I saw the film,it was like you said OK.
They would have got banned if they showed some of the other stuff he got up to.

That other demon you mention HH Holmes-I only read about him recently,and I think theres a hollywood film being made about his horror hotel.

That guy took his time and planned his evil.
Different building contractors for each room almost,so no one could know the full scheme of the hotel.

Probably the inspiration of the "Saw" franchise.
Horrid bastard,but looked completley normal as usual.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

ive been into serials for years man.
bunch of books and encyclopedias on my shelves.
there is a cool holmes documentary on netflix if you have it

you should read the link i put up about albert fish. dude was twisted.

ed gein was the model for norman bates

harold shipman has around 250 kills

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Grovit

Albert fish is just too much to read about.
A true demon.

Shipman the doctor was all over the news here in the UK for months.
Guess what-he looked totally normal as well.

Last I read about him was he is respected in prison and inmates go to him for healing if they are injured.

Yep,the world is insane.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

yes it is
i am of the firm believe that people in general are inherently bad.
major reason why i avoid people in real life at all costs.
i know good people are out there but my life experience has showed me that more often that not, people will get over on you if they can and hurt you(not just physically) if it serves them.

"Serial Killer Arrested" ?
Oh, too bad:
I thought this was another Obama drone thread

Obama Told Aides He's 'Really Good At Killing People,' New Book 'Double Down' Claims

www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: Grovit

Well ho lee sheeeit Grovit,we must be two peas in a pod.
Did you by any chance used to be a very trusting person who would do anything in your capacity to help anyone who needed it?
Did you once believe the world could be a paradise?
But that has since been throttled and beaten out of you by the reality of planet Earth so many times that your view has changed?

Welcome to the club brother/sister Grovit.
Its not a happy club is it?

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

actually no. i have always been like this. maybe not before i was 5 or so but i dont remember anything from that far back.
it is just one life event after another.
your parents are supposed to be your protectors you know? my mom is ok but my dad was an abuser. used to beat the hell out of me and my mom. house got broken into when i was 7. house was littered with blood. i saw the whole thing happen. dude broke into the house and tried to kill my parents cause my dad had a harley decal on his car and the dude wanted the keys to the bike my dad didnt even have.

just # like that all my life. people trying to get over on me or hurt me in various degrees and ways.
parents, relationships....all of it

im married now. have been for almost 4 years(my second).
told myself i never would get married again but we truly are one in the same. she is my best friend. my only friend. same with her
she has been through the same stuff and puts up the same walls.
we can have conversations with a look.
we are only ever around each other and out daughter and it works great for us.

i just dont like people and to be honest, they dont really like me. i dont trust them. i dont want anything to do with them.
thats why i post so often here. i have things to say and topics interest me. i like to debate, just not in the real world.

most people i just ignore. im not a hermit but if we are out and about if someone tries to talk to me, 99 times out of 100 i dont even acknowledge they exist.

a reply to: Grovit
I can relate to trust problems completley.
Its a hard road,a world without trust.
I walk it.
Maybe write a book-I am trying to do that,and its quite a worthy medication for the psyche in my case.
A form of escape,in a way.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

i dont really feel like it is hard to tell you the truth. i really dont mind going at it alone.

i actually have thought about writing a book or maybe a screenplay.
about my wifes and my story.
i am 37 and grew up in florida. she is 24 and grew up in ohio.
we both had some crazy # happen to us over the years.
i used to work in a video store when i was 17-18 right after i came to ohio and she used to go in there to rent videos with her dad when she was like 6, when i worked there.

i just think i could put it together like a cool story.
2 stories, non linear coming together into 1 end...
of course with my twisted sense of story telling and humor, i think it would be a hit with a certain demographic.

originally posted by: Vrill
So if we just caught "One of the worst serial killers in history", it makes me wonder and think what else is out there right now.

The people who gain deep satisfaction from watching people they control act out their desires so they can't be held accountable.

a reply to: Tusks

Or somewhere in his life a blonde white lady did something to him that was the trigger.

a reply to: Grovit

What about whomever is killing all those women in Juarez on the Mexican/US border? Something like 400 women have been killed.

originally posted by: Grovit
a reply to: Vrill



yeah, he killed a lot but even if we judge worst by number of victims, he is down a ways on the list.
en.wikipedia.org...

i always thought pedro lopes was one of the worst

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i love reading about serial killers...one of my favorite subjects.
have loads of books on them....

some fav's of mine

hh holmes
en.wikipedia.org...

albert fish
en.wikipedia.org...

of course he wasnt a true serial but
ed gein
en.wikipedia.org...

andrei chikatilo
en.wikipedia.org...

elizabeth bathory
en.wikipedia.org...

Why wasn't Ed Gein a true serial killer? He killed several people. He certainly made one of the greatest cultural impressions of all of them (not that that's in any way positive).

originally posted by: Tangerine


Why wasn't Ed Gein a true serial killer? He killed several people. He certainly made one of the greatest cultural impressions of all of them (not that that's in any way positive).

he only killed 2 people.
he was a grave robber and a murderer, not a serial killer

originally posted by: Grovit

originally posted by: Tangerine


Why wasn't Ed Gein a true serial killer? He killed several people. He certainly made one of the greatest cultural impressions of all of them (not that that's in any way positive).

he only killed 2 people.
he was a grave robber and a murderer, not a serial killer

I know he was a grave robber. Is three the serial killer defining number?

originally posted by: Tangerine

I know he was a grave robber. Is three the serial killer defining number?

it is generally accepted that to be a serial you have to have killed at least 3 people over the course of more than a month with time in between each killing.

a spree killer would be someone who has killed at least 2, in different locations but with no time in between.

like me going and killing someone at mcdonalds and then going right to kmart and killing someone and then killing someone at a gas station. something like that

a mass murderer would be someone who has killed at least 4, with no time in between and usually the same location.
think columbine or the dude at the movie theater.

also, most serials are males and the largest number are white.
i think someone like 12% of all serials in the last 150 or so years have been ladies.

most lady killers usually target children, old people, or their spouses.
ladies who kill their spouses are called black widows. think belle guiness. killing her husbands and collecting on the insurance.
several lady serials had old people in their charge and they would be called angels of death

since the 60's though females serials have been choosing more strangers as their victims. think aileen wournos. she was a prostitute who killed her johns.

something like 20-30% of female serials kill for monetary reasons only

elizabeth bathory was something different. she was a serial but she was a female that killed other women. something like 500.

someone like say lizzie borden was none of the above. just a murderer

a reply to: thesaneone

No Serial Killer of the century goes to
Dr Harold Shipman..

His victim count will never be known due to his position as a Doctor ;
A conservative estimate Is over 4oo.

www.crimelibrary.com...

a reply to: Grovit

No comment on the killing of approximately 400 women on the Mexican border near Juarez? How has that slipped past the radar?