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Tanzania's Albinos 'Killed Like Animals' For Body Parts Used In Potions

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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: IAMTAT
In many cultures around the world, for many thousands of years, albinos of any species were considered to be 'Sacred'.


In which cultures "many thousands of years" ago?


It's pretty common knowledge that albino elephants, deer, buffalo and others have been regarded as sacred in recorded history by numerous cultures worldwide. It's not difficult to imagine why.

Such evidence is usually enough to suppose that the practice is quite ancient when observed in so-called primitive cultures, as is the case with anthropology and ethnology.


But you haven't actually answered the question. You simply repeated your claim. I am aware that white buffalo are considered sacred by the Sioux but I'm unaware, even in that case, of the belief going back "many thousands of years". So I'll ask again, in which cultures "many thousands of years" ago were albinos sacred?


It's not me who stated it in the first place, but regardless; white Harts, Elephants, Buffalo, Moose and Rhino are revered on four different continents. I regard this as common knowledge for anyone with a moderate reading of history, culture and mythology which is why i was surprised by your line of questioning.

I guess that you don't know anything about Ancient British and Irish traditions or mythology for example, where white Harts and Bulls have been revered in local festivals and folk lore during recoded history. This is also reflected in mythology and story such as The Tain, The Mythological Cycle of The Tuatha and Arthurian legend. These stories have their roots in the early iron age at least and certainly predate The Roman Invasion of Britain.

Then there is the position of Albino Elephants from India to South East Asia. Sacred White Elephants are present within The Pancatantra and The Kathasaritsagara, which are not thousands of years old but in turn take many of their stories from The Brihat Katha which was probably first committed to text about two thousand years ago from much older oral tradition.

Now of course, there can be no firm proof of what happened in prehistory (which if we are talking "thousands of years" like you ask then we are likely dealing with prehistory) but we can use what we have as evidence... and it's good enough for anthropology, archaeology and ethnology so it's as good a method as we have.

So when a tradition exists in recent memory and recorded history, and is reflected in older folklore and mythology then it's fair to assume considerable antiquity, provided we use a little common sense and methods accepted by academia.

So i've given you more detail... However i did alread
y answer your question but you just needed to apply a little knowledge, which i assumed on your part.


I'm well aware of Celtic history and the Tain and the Mythological Cycle of the Tuatha de Danaan, thank you. But your claim included the words "many thousands of years ago". Nice try at attempting to slip by that in your response. Next time, be a little careful about your claims so that you don't have to spend so much time googling in a failed attempt to back them up. After all that, you had to admit that your claim was based on an assumption.




posted on Dec, 15 2014 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: IAMTAT
In many cultures around the world, for many thousands of years, albinos of any species were considered to be 'Sacred'.


In which cultures "many thousands of years" ago?


It's pretty common knowledge that albino elephants, deer, buffalo and others have been regarded as sacred in recorded history by numerous cultures worldwide. It's not difficult to imagine why.

Such evidence is usually enough to suppose that the practice is quite ancient when observed in so-called primitive cultures, as is the case with anthropology and ethnology.


But you haven't actually answered the question. You simply repeated your claim. I am aware that white buffalo are considered sacred by the Sioux but I'm unaware, even in that case, of the belief going back "many thousands of years". So I'll ask again, in which cultures "many thousands of years" ago were albinos sacred?


It's not me who stated it in the first place, but regardless; white Harts, Elephants, Buffalo, Moose and Rhino are revered on four different continents. I regard this as common knowledge for anyone with a moderate reading of history, culture and mythology which is why i was surprised by your line of questioning.

I guess that you don't know anything about Ancient British and Irish traditions or mythology for example, where white Harts and Bulls have been revered in local festivals and folk lore during recoded history. This is also reflected in mythology and story such as The Tain, The Mythological Cycle of The Tuatha and Arthurian legend. These stories have their roots in the early iron age at least and certainly predate The Roman Invasion of Britain.

Then there is the position of Albino Elephants from India to South East Asia. Sacred White Elephants are present within The Pancatantra and The Kathasaritsagara, which are not thousands of years old but in turn take many of their stories from The Brihat Katha which was probably first committed to text about two thousand years ago from much older oral tradition.

Now of course, there can be no firm proof of what happened in prehistory (which if we are talking "thousands of years" like you ask then we are likely dealing with prehistory) but we can use what we have as evidence... and it's good enough for anthropology, archaeology and ethnology so it's as good a method as we have.

So when a tradition exists in recent memory and recorded history, and is reflected in older folklore and mythology then it's fair to assume considerable antiquity, provided we use a little common sense and methods accepted by academia.

So i've given you more detail... However i did alread
y answer your question but you just needed to apply a little knowledge, which i assumed on your part.


I'm well aware of Celtic history and the Tain and the Mythological Cycle of the Tuatha de Danaan, thank you. But your claim included the words "many thousands of years ago". Nice try at attempting to slip by that in your response. Next time, be a little careful about your claims so that you don't have to spend so much time googling in a failed attempt to back them up. After all that, you had to admit that your claim was based on an assumption.


"My claim included thousands of years"?

and "i'll have to admit that my claim was based on assumption"?

Go on.

Quote me.

Really, you need to go do that before you make any further assumptions. Reading the thread again and paying attention to who said what is quite valuable before you try jumping all over stuff.

Then take a little look at my threads to make a personal guess as to whether i need to google basic mythology and history..
edit on 15-12-2014 by skalla because: removed superflous gaelic insult, added quote



posted on Dec, 15 2014 @ 03:13 AM
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originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: IAMTAT
In many cultures around the world, for many thousands of years, albinos of any species were considered to be 'Sacred'.


In which cultures "many thousands of years" ago?


It's pretty common knowledge that albino elephants, deer, buffalo and others have been regarded as sacred in recorded history by numerous cultures worldwide. It's not difficult to imagine why.

Such evidence is usually enough to suppose that the practice is quite ancient when observed in so-called primitive cultures, as is the case with anthropology and ethnology.


But you haven't actually answered the question. You simply repeated your claim. I am aware that white buffalo are considered sacred by the Sioux but I'm unaware, even in that case, of the belief going back "many thousands of years". So I'll ask again, in which cultures "many thousands of years" ago were albinos sacred?


It's not me who stated it in the first place, but regardless; white Harts, Elephants, Buffalo, Moose and Rhino are revered on four different continents. I regard this as common knowledge for anyone with a moderate reading of history, culture and mythology which is why i was surprised by your line of questioning.

I guess that you don't know anything about Ancient British and Irish traditions or mythology for example, where white Harts and Bulls have been revered in local festivals and folk lore during recoded history. This is also reflected in mythology and story such as The Tain, The Mythological Cycle of The Tuatha and Arthurian legend. These stories have their roots in the early iron age at least and certainly predate The Roman Invasion of Britain.

Then there is the position of Albino Elephants from India to South East Asia. Sacred White Elephants are present within The Pancatantra and The Kathasaritsagara, which are not thousands of years old but in turn take many of their stories from The Brihat Katha which was probably first committed to text about two thousand years ago from much older oral tradition.

Now of course, there can be no firm proof of what happened in prehistory (which if we are talking "thousands of years" like you ask then we are likely dealing with prehistory) but we can use what we have as evidence... and it's good enough for anthropology, archaeology and ethnology so it's as good a method as we have.

So when a tradition exists in recent memory and recorded history, and is reflected in older folklore and mythology then it's fair to assume considerable antiquity, provided we use a little common sense and methods accepted by academia.

So i've given you more detail... However i did alread
y answer your question but you just needed to apply a little knowledge, which i assumed on your part.


I'm well aware of Celtic history and the Tain and the Mythological Cycle of the Tuatha de Danaan, thank you. But your claim included the words "many thousands of years ago". Nice try at attempting to slip by that in your response. Next time, be a little careful about your claims so that you don't have to spend so much time googling in a failed attempt to back them up. After all that, you had to admit that your claim was based on an assumption.


"My claim included thousands of years"?

and "i'll have to admit that my claim was based on assumption"?

Go on.

Quote me.

Really, you need to go do that before you make any further assumptions. Reading the thread again and paying attention to who said what is quite valuable before you try jumping all over stuff.

Then take a little look at my threads to make a personal guess as to whether i need to google basic mythology and history..


Iamtat made the original claim. I was not disputing that abino animals have been considered significant or sacred by various cultures. My dispute was with the "many thousands of years" claim. I made that clear from the outset. You then jumped in and began citing cases in which cultures regarded albinos as significant or sacred (none of them many thousands of years old) as though that was the point of contention. There would have been no need for you to do so unless you thought you were disputing my post and supporting his.



posted on Dec, 15 2014 @ 04:30 AM
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Well done for finally admitting that i did not make the claim at all (in a roundabout, wheedling kind of way) but was illustrating how we would infer that such practices stretch back into antiquity in line with how we infer many prehistoric human behaviours.

As for there being no need for me to jump in, i'm adding to the information in the thread in an appropriate way - rather than engaging in pedantry through arch questioning of a poster where you could instead have stated that it was conjecture that still had a sound basis, which was my approach. But that's ok, i enjoy a bit of pedantry too, so i understand - but try to get it right next time you attempt to attribute comments to me




 
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