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The thing that gets me the most, is not evidence, but the people who claim to be Christian but then act like asshats. Can I say that on ATS?
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: TzarChasm
what about tacitus?
Honestly, I haven't looked into Tacitus (that I recall). But I shall, and I will!
So - what about the allegations of forgery/fraud in Josephus?
josephus was a lawyer, tacitus was a historian. josephus kept records as a hobby, tacitus kept records as a profession. you want to call them liars or idiots, that's your thing. but you gotta prove it if you want me to take that as fact.
tacitus makes a very explicit reference to christus, and there is only one person who would have been referred to as a christ in the context he was writing. "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus" this is what he wrote. you are calling him a liar? an idiot? what? despite your objections, tacitus wrote about jesus. unless you can show us another christ whom gave christians their name and suffered horribly at the hands of pontius.
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Tangerine
it's worse than you think, since i have reasonable suspicion that the vatican actually started the "enlightenment" since they were losing the bulk of europe to other religions (like protestantism, mysticism, paganism, occultism, masonry, rosicrucianism and so on) when it was discovered, after the text of the bible was finally printed in english and other european languages and disseminated across europe, that most of what they were teaching was not in the bible at all.
this essentially means that modern atheism is suffering from the same maladies as its holy roman predecessor - a handful of the same suspects, are still guiding the conversation, dictating fact and fiction and ordering holocausts, wars, and all the other ills of modern society (and getting away with it by pointing to stuff done 300 years ago and ignoring that they are doing the same exact thing themselves).