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Wild horses to be sold and slaughtered!!!

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posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 01:52 PM
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As many of my vegan friends know,im a a happy dyed in the wool carnivore.but,i whole heartily oppose this.the capture and sale of american wild horses and burros to slaughter houses for export.

news.yahoo.com

I think we need to leave wild horses where they are,in the wild.
if their populations need to be culled,then hire a hunter and do it the right way,dont capture,then ship them off to be slaughtered for food.
Who eats horse??i can see if your starving and you have no choice,but to me horses arent a livestock animal.
Anyone have anything to add to this?

mod edit: shorten link with bb code

[edit on 12-12-2004 by Spectre]




posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:04 PM
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Thats just plain wrong in my eyes

These amazing animals who run in the wild should no way be taken from there land to be slaughtered!!

Cant they leave any wild amimals alone!

Geeze!



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:12 PM
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Why is eating a horse any different to eating a cow?

The evils of animal exportation;

www.animalliberationqld.org.au...



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:17 PM
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Bo Derek was speaking out against the practice and appeared on Hannity and Colmes, back in April I think, and Sean tried to defend it by saying: "You eat steak don't you?"

I think there's a huge difference between cows and horses.
Wild horses should not be killed.
If they want to sell horses that were in captivity and are going to be put down, that would be a little more acceptable but even that isn't great

[edit on 12-12-2004 by AceOfBase]



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK
Why is eating a horse any different to eating a cow?



Why is eating a potato any different than eating a cow???it's alive too.
I posted this as something everyone could get behind.
please dont change the subject,there are 50 other threads you can spout on.
the question was,do you support WILD horses being caught and slaughtered for food.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
Bo Derek speaking out against the practice and appeared on Hannity and Colmes, back in April I think, and Sean tried to defend it by saying: "You eat steak don't you?"



Hannity amazes me.if bush signed a law saying it was ok to beat your wife,he'd be right there supporting it.i hate that guy.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:39 PM
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I know extreme, but after seeing the BS that has gone on for decades out here, I really dislike the BLM. This is not about whether a horse is an acceptable food source it's about the BLM and the ranchers systematically overgrazing federal lands. Rather than an address the problem with ranchers it's easier to destroy the wild horse herds.

The wild horse and burro herds are in a lose-lose situation. They compete for range with the cattle and sheep ranchers. These ranchers have the BLM in their back pocket and whatever they want they get. The horse adoption program seemed to be a noble effort to save these animals from starvation, but in actuality it was to free up more range for the ranchers. The starvation argument being laughable. Try overgrazing by the ranchers. Anyhow, most people do not have the time or money to invest in training these animals so the program has not resulted in the decreases that the ranchers want.

So here we are now selling these animals to foreign markets for food. Disgusting. Not because they are being used for food, but because the wild herds are being eradicated in order to allow a bunch of ranchers more room to graze their herds on the public's dime.

B



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 03:02 PM
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This brings back a lot of memories. My mom is one of those "horse people" and I grew up around her and her collegues always staging a rescue mission of some sort. Not just for wild horses (though she was a member of some club dealing with that), but also any horse who can't pull its weight. Sometimes that means the horse has simply gone "lame" or is old or too much money for the owners to keep.

There are these auctions where people go and the glue/meat bidders are the ones who have huge trailers ready to take all the rejects away. Its very sad.

Fortunately, there are a lot of wealthy horse lovers out there(as horses are a very expensive interest) and several organizations designed to save these herds. I don't know a whole lot about it, but I can ask my mom later if anyone would like to know more info.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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I support horses being sold for human consumption. If nature didn't want us to kill off everything it would've given horses a real brain....so they could fight back.....we cannot be gentle on things that do not belong in the world we have created. They'll die from the polution etc sooner or later at least this way they die fast and do humans a favour.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 03:17 PM
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Hmm, well, like most wildlife, they stand to eventually die by the greed and corruption of humans. However these horses are wild, and when it comes to people, they are pure "fight or flight" but people just fight dirty. To me, they are representitive of freedom, and harmony with nature. Looks like America is doing a good job killing off those sorts of things.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Samhain

Originally posted by ANOK
Why is eating a horse any different to eating a cow?



Why is eating a potato any different than eating a cow???it's alive too.
I posted this as something everyone could get behind.
please dont change the subject,there are 50 other threads you can spout on.
the question was,do you support WILD horses being caught and slaughtered for food.


I think my reply was a NO.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by orfeo8
I support horses being sold for human consumption. If nature didn't want us to kill off everything it would've given horses a real brain....so they could fight back.....we cannot be gentle on things that do not belong in the world we have created. They'll die from the polution etc sooner or later at least this way they die fast and do humans a favour.


Have you ever been around a genuine real-life horse? If so you would see how they can identify their owner or caretaker. You would see the affection they can display towards that person.

There are studies out that would prove their brain is more developed than is commonly thought.

Another read on horse intelligence is worth the time.

Here's a page from a company that uses horses as a form of therapy. I quote:


Horses are also incredibly responsive to human emotion and action. Horses will immediately sense and respond to a students negative emotions and behaviors. The horse, then, often acts as a mirror to the student. For example, a frustrated student can quickly cause his/her horse to become equally frustrated.


Don't be so quick to judge. And yes I eat beef, chicken, pork, deer, fish and shark.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 04:54 PM
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There is no reason that these horses need to be adopted or sold for food. The BLM's mismanagement of federal lands is responsible. From an article I found:


Responsible range management has been utterly abandoned by BLM in Wyoming, stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch whose organization nearly a year ago requested an investigation by the Interior Office of Inspector General into obstruction of BLM-Wyomings enforcement against overgrazing violations. Things are pretty pathetic when an 83,000-acre refuge can no longer support 200 head of horses.


Some of the problems:

Allowing cattle to graze in the Wild Horse Herd Management Area. BLM has refused to pursue grazing trespass reports;

Permitting the maximum amount of cattle allowed in surrounding grazing allotments while admitting there is competition for forage and water between livestock and wild horses; and

Refusing to assess the carrying capacity of its rangelands, thus leaving BLM in a passive position where it waits until emergencies to occur before it acts.

The entire article can be found - here

B

[edit on 12/12/04 by Bleys]



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 05:17 PM
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Yes titian I have. I have them at my farm and don't want em. Take em please. Meet me in Milan Missouri and I will load em up for ya. Keep in mind the horses that they are talking about wont go near ya. Needs to be broken before you can go pet the damn thing. Opps, ya probably wouldnt want any part of that fun ordeal.

I guess people who don't actually deal with ANIMALS on a day by day basis do not realize the things involved. Come to my farm. You will see real life. Dog phhhh in the barn. Not in my house. Cats outside, get the rodents. Oh if a dog has pups ( hopefully an hunting dog and a good one ) and ya cannot give em away.......ummmmm you don't want to know. Not to much use for a bunch of dogs on the farm. Same with the darn horses. Come on by. See a real working farm. Slaughter house and all. THEN go and call PETA or whatever. Jeezusssssssss YES I support them. Don't like the law? Go adopt one.

No I don't condone any king of torture to animals and my daughter rides her horse every day. AND AS LONG AS SHE TAKES CARE OF IT SHE CAN HAVE IT. Not me.


Good god you would probably croak to know its open season on ferral hogs and coyotes. Shoot em on sight is the written rule. SO yep I do and let the bobcats pick at em later. I certainly don't touch the mangey lookin critters.

[edit on 12/12/2004 by just_a_pilot]



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by just_a_pilot
Yes titian I have. I have them at my farm and don't want em. Take em please. Meet me in Milan Missouri and I will load em up for ya. Keep in mind the horses that they are talking about wont go near ya. Needs to be broken before you can go pet the damn thing. Opps, ya probably wouldnt want any part of that fun ordeal.

I guess people who don't actually deal with ANIMALS on a day by day basis do not realize the things involved. Come to my farm. You will see real life. Dog phhhh in the barn. Not in my house. Cats outside, get the rodents. Oh if a dog has pups ( hopefully an hunting dog and a good one ) and ya cannot give em away.......ummmmm you don't want to know. Not to much use for a bunch of dogs on the farm. Same with the darn horses. Come on by. See a real working farm. Slaughter house and all. THEN go and call PETA or whatever. Jeezusssssssss YES I support them. Don't like the law? Go adopt one.

No I don't condone any king of torture to animals and my daughter rides her horse every day. AND AS LONG AS SHE TAKES CARE OF IT SHE CAN HAVE IT. Not me.


Good god you would probably croak to know its open season on ferral hogs and coyotes. Shoot em on sight is the written rule. SO yep I do and let the bobcats pick at em later. I certainly don't touch the mangey lookin critters.

[edit on 12/12/2004 by just_a_pilot]


Woah, I'm not some overboard animal rights activist. I believe in their right to not suffer as you too have stated. I came about as close to growing up with horses as possible without actually owning them. I know the work involved but I do not view them as brainless. We also kill the coyotes when they threaten and the bobcats, well, they're not supposed to be around here but they are. I tracked one last winter but have not seen him/her in the flesh. I would rather trap that for release into a proper location than kill it but if it threatens my family or dogs, well...

And I do deal with certain animals (maybe not like you) on a daily basis, dogs, iguana, chincilla in the past (friggin pain in the arse), rabbits, fish. I know what work these little things are or I would not have taken them on. Furthermore, the next field mouse I catch in my house or garage will be caught alive, pinned to a tree and shot with a deer slug for target practice and just so I can watch his little head explode. I found drowning them as I did the last one is not as gratifying once you have cleaned up their nests and urine/feces muck. Field mice are about the only animals whose right to not suffer is not honored by me. That went out the door after spending 60 hours cleaning my back garage out this summer, scooping liquid poop and disinfecting with bleach while everyone else is camping. It sounds like you may know what I am talking about there.

Your original statement, while based on your personal experiences, was quite cold nevertheless. I guess some may have an issue with my feelings on field mice so I guess we're even.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 06:26 PM
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The BLM was shooting wild horses and bulldozing them into mass graves back in the 70's. The government leased out thousands of acres to ranchers for zip, and the range was overgrazed then too.

Looks like some one with the means would lease some range to be held just for the wild horse herds. As good as the intentions might be, the adoption of a horse that has always run free does cause a lot of problems....you would think the horse might never enjoy or even accept the change.

I always thought that some sort of traqulizer dart and geld arrangement would allow the herd to shrink more naturally, with out robbing the older ones of their freedom. ( I can hear just a pilot screaming already! --But I have dealt with horses and other livestock on a daily basis for years, bad weather, sickness, broken fences, unbroken colts, and broken budgets -- I never sold any of my horses when they got too old or too lame to ride....they had done their job, they got to enjoy their 'retirement'.)



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by frayed1
I always thought that some sort of traqulizer dart and geld arrangement would allow the herd to shrink more naturally, with out robbing the older ones of their freedom.


A more reasonable and ecological sound idea would be to limit the numbers of cattle and sheep grazing on these lands.

It amazes me that wolves, turtles and snaildarters have more rights and protection than these horses. It will be a huge loss if the wild horse herds are culled and won't do anything to solve the underlying problem of overgrazing.

B.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 06:43 PM
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Yes Titian I see the point you make. I don't take gratification in killing pups that aren't wanted. But in the real world of farms and animals it has to be done. Just like when I shoot a lame horse or some cow or steer that is to sick to help. Don't really enjoy it, but it HAS to be done. It IS real life.

Freyed im not yelling. I guess people also would not understand "gelding". Care to explain it to them? Hey, next male calves we have everyone is invited for calf meat deluxe. You get to castrate em first. Steeeerrrs. Only need one good Bull. SO off with the balls for the rest of em.

I certainly dont eat horse meat. I would if I had to though. But limiting livestock that people in the U.S. feel more comfortable eating is not the answer either. Maybe if restraunts and schools start serving horse to younger kids now it wouldnt matter.

As for newts, spotted owls all the rest of the "protected' animals having more rights than a beautiful horse? I agree. But not one animal has any rights of humans. NONE. No I am not religious at all. Don't even know if I belive in God or not but no horse has or even should have "retirement". sheesh.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have no problem with that. But to say its wrong and take no action because you are a behind the sceens "activist" is BS. Adopt em if you want em or let the BLM handle them the way that they see fit.



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posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 07:06 PM
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Gelding is not such a difficult concept, pilot......most of these people are computer savvy, so they have enough on the ball to know what 'spaying and neutering means'....I think they can understand that 'to geld' is 'to neuter' or they can look it up. ( I didn't mean you were literaly yelling-just figuratively)....And it is not always necessary to shoot a lame horse ( for a broken leg - yes maybe). My best trail horse was lame off and on for years--corrective shoeing and rest allowed her to live quite happily.

It would be nice-er if the horses were allowed to roam the range, rather than allowing the range to be over grazed by beef cattle. I just think it might be better to prevent the breeding of more wild horses, with a short term shock ( tranquilizing and gelding ) than it would be to try to reduce their numbers by more long term shock (capture and adoption)



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 07:19 PM
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I know what ya mean. If you want to donate the money, time, energy and land to get those horses by god go do it. No problem here. If you want my broken mouth cattle or lame horses, by all means come n get em.

You probably do realise that equine and bovine castration is not umm slow? No anesthisia, just quick flick of the hook knife. A few mooos and see ya!! I kinda think most people think its a bit more surgical.
yeahhhh

Bottom line is that if you want to do something for my or BLM animals be my guest. Otherwise I wiil do something with them without a blink of an eye. If you dont want them and won't do something with them. Quit bitching. Time to crap or get off the pot. If the people whining so much about it don't help, oh well.

If you do get these horses do you understand that you will need at least 1 to 1.5 acres per horse to graze? Actually more because you will want to rotate the paddocks. Get a cow or two because horses are pretty destructive grazers and cows will eat the left overs and happily chew their cud. Get a riding mower to cut the paddocks for those great horses, remember they are Pickeyyy and dont like longer grass. If you decide to get a few you will need to watch and see how long each one grazes and put the short grazer and long grazers apart to keep the paddock viable. Dont forget all the fun new fences you need to put up. What are ya gonna do with all the poop? How about winter feed? You will want straw not hay. Oh it never ends........

Or send me all the cattle and I will charge a nominal lease for oh we can start at 600 acres and just let your horses graze away in the wild. What are you going to do with them when they turn the open pastures into dirt?

It is a tremendous amount of work. Come see all the lovely horses here in hunt country Virginia that are abandoned
hmmm more work than they thougt.

I will have to take a big portion of the land out of the Federal Govt Conservation Resource Program so the cows can eat. So much for back to the wild. Yeah hmm im anti animal alright. riight. I sure would make more leasing it to farmers. Its all good.

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