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Chris Matthews: C’mon, you’re crazy if you think Al Qaeda’s going to stop torturing if we do

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posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:36 PM
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All of this "Release" was timed right when Jonathon Gruber started speaking.

It was obvious..They have been sitting on it for years.

This was done on intentionally. And, it worked.




posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: seeker1963

Rawles writes that the following are characteristics that qualifies a person as a potential domestic terrorist:

• Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
• Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
• Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
• Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
• Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
• Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
• Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
• Homeschooling
• Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
• Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

People engaged in the above activities or mind-set may be considered "extremists" or "militia groups" that exist in our communities and are "hiding in plain sight, ready to attack."


Ridiculous DHS list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...

I think people need to realize that when the government uses the term terrorist, most of us have lost our focus as to just how many people they feel should fall in that group!

This report is focusing on those "terrorists" from the middle east, therefore many of us don't care! Well, don't be fooled so easy!





Ouch, profiling HURTS, doesn't it?


Playing word twister again?

No thanks!

I noticed you left off the list.

You did notice advocating civil rights was on that list as well...
edit on 10-12-2014 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Who says terrorists don't exist?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

Who says terrorists don't exist?


A lot of people on here to.

Hell they coined that famous acronmym 'AL CIA DA'.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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Some people are saying this is the 'real' reason behind the release.

Feinstein says CIA spied on Senate computers

But that could have been anyone from our 'allies' snipped off about NSA spying on them to Russian,Iranian,North Korean, Chinese hackers.

Since nothing is going to change I find this all suspect.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Some people are saying this is the 'real' reason behind the release.

Feinstein says CIA spied on Senate computers

But that could have been anyone from our 'allies' snipped off about NSA spying on them to Russian,Iranian,North Korean, Chinese hackers.

Since nothing is going to change I find this all suspect.


Yea, no matter how you look at it, nothing good will come of it, and it certainly won't change anything for the positive from happening in the future........

Political games that will provoke an attack either on our own soil or in the least, make life more difficult than it already is for our troops.

But hey! Our government cares right?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963



But hey! Our government cares right?


Yeah they care alright, about their own political careers.

But thats it.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AgentShillington

Hows that ?

Since many on here say 'terrorists' don't even exist to begin with.

So how did we 'torture' people who don't exist?



Your deflection is stupid.

I don't even see how that is a response to what I said.
edit on 10-12-2014 by AgentShillington because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington

I agree the release of the so called 'torture' report was a deflection.

Sitting on it for 8 years is enough proof for anyone.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: seeker1963

Rawles writes that the following are characteristics that qualifies a person as a potential domestic terrorist:

• Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
• Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
• Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
• Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
• Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
• Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
• Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
• Homeschooling
• Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
• Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

People engaged in the above activities or mind-set may be considered "extremists" or "militia groups" that exist in our communities and are "hiding in plain sight, ready to attack."


Ridiculous DHS list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...

I think people need to realize that when the government uses the term terrorist, most of us have lost our focus as to just how many people they feel should fall in that group!

This report is focusing on those "terrorists" from the middle east, therefore many of us don't care! Well, don't be fooled so easy!





Ouch, profiling HURTS, doesn't it?


Playing word twister again?

No thanks!

I noticed you left off the list.

You did notice advocating civil rights was on that list as well...


Yawn.

What you noticed is that ATS has some bad coding, and even though I actually didn't leave off the list, it didn't show up in my post.

Also, I noticed that declarations about the Constitution and Civil Liberties was on a long list of other things that, once added up, is called a "profile" of what they would be looking for when going after domestic terrorists.

Profiling hurts when you're the one being profiled, yeah?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AgentShillington

I agree the release of the so called 'torture' report was a deflection.

Sitting on it for 8 years is enough proof for anyone.


You are purposely misunderstanding what I am saying, and it makes you look stupid.

You're reading comprehension could use some work, friend.
edit on 10-12-2014 by AgentShillington because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: seeker1963

Rawles writes that the following are characteristics that qualifies a person as a potential domestic terrorist:

• Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
• Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
• Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
• Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
• Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
• Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
• Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
• Homeschooling
• Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
• Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

People engaged in the above activities or mind-set may be considered "extremists" or "militia groups" that exist in our communities and are "hiding in plain sight, ready to attack."


Ridiculous DHS list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...

I think people need to realize that when the government uses the term terrorist, most of us have lost our focus as to just how many people they feel should fall in that group!

This report is focusing on those "terrorists" from the middle east, therefore many of us don't care! Well, don't be fooled so easy!





Ouch, profiling HURTS, doesn't it?


Playing word twister again?

No thanks!

I noticed you left off the list.

You did notice advocating civil rights was on that list as well...


Yawn.

What you noticed is that ATS has some bad coding, and even though I actually didn't leave off the list, it didn't show up in my post.

Also, I noticed that declarations about the Constitution and Civil Liberties was on a long list of other things that, once added up, is called a "profile" of what they would be looking for when going after domestic terrorists.

Profiling hurts when you're the one being profiled, yeah?


Doesn't hurt me in the least.

I put the list up to show how being a "terrorist" and "torture" just doesn't apply to someone picked up in the desert in the Middle East.

So still trying to figure out what profiling has to do with the topic.

But you just go on. Do your thing.

YAWN
edit on 10-12-2014 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington



WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will continue the Bush administration’s practice of sending terrorism suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation, but pledges to closely monitor their treatment to ensure that they are not tortured, administration officials said Monday.


U.S. Says Rendition to Continue, but With More Oversight

Someone sure looks 'stupid'.


Obama on Torture Report: That's Not Who We Are



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

That list you posted...


...are you ready for this....

*cups hand and whispers at you*

... is a profile.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Yeah, it's you.

Seriously.

What the hell are you even responding to right now?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Kali74

The solution is simple.

Don't want tortured don't become jihadists.

Besides it's the mere action of getting caught of alive is the true 'humilation','duress' or whatever.

Their goal is to die in 'battle', and become martyrs.

But once again.

Rendition, aka torture is going to continue.



Or if you don't want to be tortured do not walk down a public street with your hands in your pockets in North America I might add.

www.youtube.com...
and a few other links to get the mood right for this thread.

www.liveleak.com...

www.liveleak.com...

www.liveleak.com...

www.liveleak.com...

And to end my post here is link to a good situation and it involves an actual criminal who was nabbed shoplifting...

www.liveleak.com...

Let just say in my Opinion only, the police are now the Military and yes people, this torture and detention is not coming to a city near you it is here now!

www.youtube.com...
Digest the above links please.

Regards, Iwinder



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Some people are saying this is the 'real' reason behind the release.

Feinstein says CIA spied on Senate computers

But that could have been anyone from our 'allies' snipped off about NSA spying on them to Russian,Iranian,North Korean, Chinese hackers.

Since nothing is going to change I find this all suspect.


That was all an arranged release.

Part of the plan to publish the report, criticize, and still continue.

Back-up for any possible Republican takeover of the Senate.

They had plenty of indications that Democrats were going to get creamed in the elections.

They are very clever at scripting an agenda.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen




That was all an arranged release. Part of the plan to publish the report, criticize, and still continue.


That's even more apparent when the DOJ decline to prosecute.

No Charges Filed on Harsh Tactics Used by the C.I.A.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:23 PM
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I can't believe so many condone torture.

Some of these guys were innocent or have never been charged. So in essence we've just picked random guys up that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and tortured them.

We have guys on the payroll that are okay with raping people for fun.

This doesn't concern you? Condoning torture is barbaric. I don't care if our enemies do it. If we need to arrest or even kill them, that's what we do, but we don't torture people. We're Americans, not barbarians.

A lot of mini Hitlers and, Stalins and, Ghadafi's and Suddam's on this board. They were quite fond of torture too. In fact, they absolutely love torture in North Korea, perhaps that would be a better country for you guys to live in.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

Who says terrorists don't exist?


A lot of people on here to.

Hell they coined that famous acronmym 'AL CIA DA'.



That term is simply telling of the origins of Al-Qaeda, which is that they were funded, trained, and endorsed by the CIA. Also note how ISIS was also trained and armed by them through the support of the Free Syrian Army... However this in turn means that terrorists DO exist, but are created by our own government for three main reasons:

1: The Destabilization of governments not holding U.S. interests
2: To make the outrageous defense budget seem justified, even though we already know that we spend more on our military than the next ten countries combined.
3: To erode the liberties of the common person in the guise of "Keeping us safe".

All of these go towards one aim... TOTAL CONTROL. Not the betterment of humanity...

Now I'm off subject... anyway torture is wrong. Any way you put it. It's not even effective. Take this example... Say one day you meet a man in a coffee shop, he seems like a cool fella, he's talking to you about sports, current events, etc... And then he leaves. Two days later he blows up a government office. He was under surveillance at the time he spoke to you... One day on your way back to your favorite coffee shop a black van pulls up, men in suits grab you and stuff you into said van and you wake up, naked, chained to a cement bench. You are not fed, you get some water and a bucket about a foot to your left for your feces and urine. After 2 days of this you are brought out into another room where you are physically mutilated and mentally hazed to the end of getting information about your coffee shop friend. You just want this hell to be over, and they won't take I DON'T KNOW PLEASE STOP for an answer. So you feed them some BS. Ineffective and cruel... wrong in every regard.



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