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Chris Matthews: C’mon, you’re crazy if you think Al Qaeda’s going to stop torturing if we do

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posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Its not my place to tell US citizens what they should or should not allow their Government to do to them.
In fact I wonder every day where and when the American people will finally draw a red line.

What your Government does in your name to other peoples and nations is a very different question, and I have the feeling the world community is about to be fed up with the USA's double standards and hypocrisy.




posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

Us humans that are against torture don't condone it period, regardless of any politicians of pundits BS opinion or assurances.


Guess that makes the current administration 'inhuman'.

Because it's not going to stop.


Yes it does!



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: ColCurious




Its not my place to tell US citizens what they should or should not allow their Government to do to them.


Feel free.

For the last 14 years, and longer it's rather clear they don't listen to us anyway.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Kali74

The solution is simple.

Don't want tortured don't become jihadists.

Besides it's the mere action of getting caught of alive is the true 'humilation','duress' or whatever.

Their goal is to die in 'battle', and become martyrs.

But once again.

Rendition, aka torture is going to continue.



And to the people who wernt jihadist but tortured anyway due to CIA cock ups?

What if your accidently picked up and tortured due to a mistake?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
To those who are acting like their 10 and not even bother READING the supplied material.



WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will continue the Bush administration’s practice of sending terrorism suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation, but pledges to closely monitor their treatment to ensure that they are not tortured, administration officials said Monday.


www.nytimes.com...

'Torture is bad' but were gonna do it anyway' !



O look you start your deflecting.


Torture is wrong if its bush obama or the ghost of JFK doing it.

I dont care if its a democrat or republican.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:12 PM
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Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weap


These words come to mind.

Kali you are right to despise it. It's as low as humans can go.

We, sitting here in our climate controlled homes. Cannot possibly imagine.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere
We will just contract it out to people better at it than we are.

Just because I don't happen to agree with it.

Doesn't mean they are going stop....Ever


And I bet "Foreign" contractors wouldn't be illegal.




posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Kali74

The solution is simple.

Don't want tortured don't become jihadists.

Besides it's the mere action of getting caught of alive is the true 'humilation','duress' or whatever.

Their goal is to die in 'battle', and become martyrs.

But once again.

Rendition, aka torture is going to continue.


The useless tactic of torture is born out in another thread about it. Graphic video shows US soldiers standing by while the Afghans whip a "jihadist" with an electric cord. After the first "enhanced interrogation" session, the "kidnapped" victim tells them anything they want to hear.

Anything…

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: neo96



If we're going to carry on with the torture, we need to stop using the use of torture as a metric to judge other nations with. That isn't a party-political stance, it's acknowledgement that double-standards are bad for diplomacy and lead to unforeseen consequences.

Maybe the US, and those who benefit from the information, should just go all-out and let it be known they will 'get medieval' on opponents?

I understand the rationale behind why we opt for torture. I just don't accept how we can condemn 'brutal' dictatorships and 'undemocratic' nations for doing the same thing. It becomes an hypocrisy to say our way is the best way when we're legitimising those same practices.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

How the eff is that a deflection ?

Same people who released that report, and says torture is 'bad'

IS STILL GOING To do it.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: whyamIhere
We will just contract it out to people better at it than we are.

Just because I don't happen to agree with it.

Doesn't mean they are going stop....Ever


And I bet "Foreign" contractors wouldn't be illegal.



No It's not 'illegal' to have some third party doing it.

That's their work around, and why they say their hands will be 'clean'.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Kandinsky

It's pretty hard here for those people claim the moral high ground when it comes to torture.

That is just one thing out of the MANY, many,many things this nations leaders have been doing ever since this country was created..

Since they are going to do it anyway, and they are.

American leadership does need to stop saying 'we're better than they are'.

We have never been.
edit on 10-12-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: neo96

The timing of this is what concerns me!

I think we all know we are being lied too, so why mention this in the manner it was released?

Could it be a set up for a false flag?

Then what?

More arguing over which political party is responsible?


I am disappointed that I see many of fellow Americans who think it is okay to torture. As a VET, I disagree. What does that do to our own military who are being forced to fight these BS power moves for resources?

Also, I see many people who state they believe in the Constitution supporting these torture techniques in the name of "Terrorism"!

What about you being a "Domestic Terrorist"?


Rawles writes that the following are characteristics that qualifies a person as a potential domestic terrorist:

• Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
• Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
• Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
• Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
• Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
• Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
• Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
• Homeschooling
• Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
• Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

People engaged in the above activities or mind-set may be considered "extremists" or "militia groups" that exist in our communities and are "hiding in plain sight, ready to attack."


Ridiculous DHS list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...

I think people need to realize that when the government uses the term terrorist, most of us have lost our focus as to just how many people they feel should fall in that group!

This report is focusing on those "terrorists" from the middle east, therefore many of us don't care! Well, don't be fooled so easy!



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: crazyewok

How the eff is that a deflection ?

Same people who released that report, and says torture is 'bad'

IS STILL GOING To do it.




Yes and its still wrong



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963




The timing of this is what concerns me!


It should in another thread I said they have known for 6 years, but i forgot when they took power in 2006.

They have known for over 8 years sitting on that report, and suddenly released it.

And then the administration says it is still going to continue the practice.

Smoke, and mirrors towards something.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AgentShillington

That was hilarious considering our government is ran by nothing but criminals.

It's damn right laughable to expect them to 'turn over a new leaf.

Especially when they have already said rendition will continue.


Who elects the "criminals"?

We do.

It's all our fault.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: neo96

The timing of this is what concerns me!

I think we all know we are being lied too, so why mention this in the manner it was released?

Could it be a set up for a false flag?

Then what?

More arguing over which political party is responsible?


I am disappointed that I see many of fellow Americans who think it is okay to torture. As a VET, I disagree. What does that do to our own military who are being forced to fight these BS power moves for resources?

Also, I see many people who state they believe in the Constitution supporting these torture techniques in the name of "Terrorism"!

What about you being a "Domestic Terrorist"?


Rawles writes that the following are characteristics that qualifies a person as a potential domestic terrorist:

• Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
• Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
• Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
• Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
• Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
• Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
• Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
• Homeschooling
• Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
• Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

People engaged in the above activities or mind-set may be considered "extremists" or "militia groups" that exist in our communities and are "hiding in plain sight, ready to attack."


Ridiculous DHS list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...

I think people need to realize that when the government uses the term terrorist, most of us have lost our focus as to just how many people they feel should fall in that group!

This report is focusing on those "terrorists" from the middle east, therefore many of us don't care! Well, don't be fooled so easy!




Yup its that sort of thing thats going to bite those in the arse that are pro torture.


No i dont care if real terrorists got tortured.

My problem is that the goverment should never be trusted with such power ever.

You give goverment a inch and they will take a light year.
edit on 10-12-2014 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

Rawles writes that the following are characteristics that qualifies a person as a potential domestic terrorist:

• Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
• Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
• Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
• Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
• Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
• Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
• Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
• Homeschooling
• Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
• Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

People engaged in the above activities or mind-set may be considered "extremists" or "militia groups" that exist in our communities and are "hiding in plain sight, ready to attack."


Ridiculous DHS list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...

I think people need to realize that when the government uses the term terrorist, most of us have lost our focus as to just how many people they feel should fall in that group!

This report is focusing on those "terrorists" from the middle east, therefore many of us don't care! Well, don't be fooled so easy!




Ouch, profiling HURTS, doesn't it?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington

Hows that ?

Since many on here say 'terrorists' don't even exist to begin with.

So how did we 'torture' people who don't exist?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 03:35 PM
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And then their are those on here who say the CIAda.

So the CIA was 'torturing' themselves ?

How does that work.



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