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Congressional spending deal blocks pot legalization in D.C.

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posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Scientific data? Bull!

I've worked in a drug rehab center and dealt with addicts, including pot.


And now we know why you are so adamant? Where would your income go if all those people who are first time offenders aren't there?


The scientific data is completely trumped by the fact it was available in pill form long before the legalization agenda got any traction.


You REALLY need to stop before you look even MORE ignorant on the subject. Marinol is synthetic THC. Did you know there are other cannabinoids in the cannabis plant? No?


I prefer an environment drug free not spin from single issue self-indulging borderline addicts.


Why should YOUR preference trump MINE? God complex much?




posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: jtma508

Ok. We're in the same ballpark, age wise.

Perhaps you haven't. I sure have. Included people who paid 30K to end their addiction to pot. Honest! No lie.


People get addicted to pot. I know this. I'm not denying it.


I will cede that street drugs are no where near as addictive as pain killers. Pain killers also being no where as addictive as psycho-tropics.

Let's toss in the doobies today are a lot more powerful than the Acapulco Gold days and I could get seriously FUBAR'd on that. Them mix it with booze....shudder at how far gone I was. LMAO.


Marijuana today is only stronger for the people looking for the stronger stuff. The run of the mill stuff is just as potent as it was back then. Your argument is the same as saying, "Alcohol is much worse these days. We have Everclear now." Because everyone TOTALLY drinks Everclear all the time...

Not to mention, with legalization comes standardized labels. People will know quality of the content before they buy it, because it will be on the packaging. Something that doesn't exist in the black market.


I stand my ground on this. This society is better of drug free. Period.


Tell me how to achieve that. I'd really like to know. Because making it illegal is doing the opposite effect. More people use drugs than ever before, legality be damned.


Legalizing it, popularizing it will give us more problems than it solves. It'll be the big boys making the profit instead of cartels. Far tougher to get rid of in that scenario than it even is now.


Yeah and they will be subjected to federal regulations that mandate safety and various other things that the cartels don't worry about. This argument is a problem CREATED by it being illegal. Legalization solves it.


Right now, people are being charged with child endangerment for NOT allowing the child to be proscribed with Ritalin . A category two amphetamine!

Envision the big pharma pumping out invented drugs.....


Big pharm already does that... How do you think new medicine is created?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I can always count on seeing you pop up to argue for something reprehensible. You never disappoint.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No profit for big pharmas in Portugal. Now there a country that we can hold as an example for the rest of the world.. Yeah right.

Emmigration is always an option.....



Yea I guess it is easy to hand wave away real data when it conflicts with your narrative.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Yeah, you got me there. It was the first thing to come to mind when thinking of an oppressive government.
What does that say about the US?

Now, do you have anything else to add to the discussion, or do you just read other posts looking for mistakes so you can feel superior?

I'd like to hear your side of the issue.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: crazyewok

Yeah, you got me there. It was the first thing to come to mind when thinking of an oppressive government.
What does that say about the US?

Now, do you have anything else to add to the discussion, or do you just read other posts looking for mistakes so you can feel superior?

I'd like to hear your side of the issue.



It was a joke mate.

And I have already.

Im not a Mj User put I pro legalization as I think what one does to there body's is up to a individual and not for the government to decide.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

Actually, the drug rehab industry is thriving and booming. One needs drug use on an ever growing number to get 'em off of those same drugs. As Oncologists need cancer patients to make money. Therefore the reverse is true. FYI, I worked only for six months in that field. It's stressful, underpaid-if you don't own it-and the boss was an anus-gap...

It would please me mightily if there was no need for drug rehabs... First time users?? Where'd you get that idea? Addicts, dude no 'first time users'. The affects are incremental.

As far as, what the ingredients are in the pill form, I know not nor care not. they only complaint I saw was the pill form was "too strong". Given the potential profit margin, there's not much that can't be extracted nor duplicated chemically speaking by the big boys. I doubt 'artificial' changed the effects one whit.

I'm fairly confident that the agenda was unrestrained stones , not any therapeutic value.

God? LOL. I have my views and state them. No better nor worse than yours. You would impose you mind-altered 'self' on the rest of us. So who is more guilty? Hmmm?

The Chinese had a solution to the societal problem for druggies. They called them opium dens. One went in, got stoned, where one would be given a cot/room to indulge and when straightened up a bit, they'd leave.

Get yourself a 'den'. Get stoned all you want. AWAY from the rest of us and I will be happy!

I'm fairly certain your agenda is not any personal medical issue either...is it? LOL.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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Other than removing the insane laws, is legalization even worth it?
Look at Colorado...3-400 an oz in shops and 150-180 on Craigslist Denver.
The government has to get in and capitalize on every single income angle.
It is a plant and should be treated as such.
You could pay off your mortgage on one crop in your backyard.
We wouldn't want anyone out of debt though, that would be bad, better stay one step ahead of income.
Big business would have a hard time competing with a seed you throw in your yard and grow with the free sunlight.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Of course not! I merely raise the point that the fact that people indulge despite being well aware of the consequences of their act speaks volumes about the very drug itself.

I suspect education is the long term solution. Legalization isn't. JMO



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

10-4...sorry...tough to read sarcasm in writing.

This topic gets me irate. I almost have to not read anymore posts. I've had my rights taken away for life over it, while it saved my life from ptsd issues.

Party on ewok😄




posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok Of course not! I merely raise the point that the fact that people indulge despite being well aware of the consequences of their act speaks volumes about the very drug itself. I suspect education is the long term solution. Legalization isn't. JMO







a reply to: nwtrucker
Are these ignored consequences caused by the plant or the law?

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posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: crazyewok

Of course not! I merely raise the point that the fact that people indulge despite being well aware of the consequences of their act speaks volumes about the very drug itself.

I suspect education is the long term solution. Legalization isn't. JMO



So legalization isn't a good solution to solving the various risks associated with using, that are created by it being illegal in the first place? Not sure I follow.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
LOL wow.

Hey everyone get your wallet, pull a 100,20, or whatever out of it.

Take a lighter, and set on fire.

Because that is what your doing with OUR money spending it on pot.

They waste enough cash already.


And how much money comes out of my wallet to fight the bogus War On Pot?



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
It would please me mightily if there was no need for drug rehabs... First time users?? Where'd you get that idea? Addicts, dude no 'first time users'. The affects are incremental.


Most first time offenses are sent to rehab to have their record expunged. I'd think you would be aware of that fact if you are being honest?


As far as, what the ingredients are in the pill form, I know not nor care not.


And that is why you look foolish when you spout off information that is false/ignorant.


they only complaint I saw was the pill form was "too strong". Given the potential profit margin, there's not much that can't be extracted nor duplicated chemically speaking by the big boys. I doubt 'artificial' changed the effects one whit.


You can doubt all you want. I was prescribed Marinol. It IS NOT anything like the real thing. For one, the reason it was too powerfull is because some of those other cannabinoids cause the THC to not work as powerfully.


I'm fairly confident that the agenda was unrestrained stones , not any therapeutic value.


And I'm fairly confident that you have taken a drink in your life. See how I can assume things too?


You would impose you mind-altered 'self' on the rest of us. So who is more guilty? Hmmm?


You would impose your mind altered state of caffeine use on the rest of us? People make more mistakes when they are ffeined up.


I'm fairly certain your agenda is not any personal medical issue either...is it? LOL.


I have a life threatening chronic disease. YOU can go to hell.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: jtma508
I started a thread on the subject earlier my thread but included a couple of other things they also wrapped into the spending bill. For example, they upped the cap on political donations from $32,400 to a whopping $324,000 and to make sure that new cap got maxed-out they repealed a provision tat prevented banks from using taxpayer-backed money to gamble on the derivatives market. A provision that was put in place after the '07-08 banking/financial collapse. So the politicians made sure they got what THEY wanted and basically said screw the voters. Time to roll out the guillotines people... it worked in France.



...Well that didn't make MSM

It is awesome that we are in the Information Age. The millennials are awake, and the younger ones will be too.
This behavior is on the way out. They better act fast, they might not be around to spend it when everyone wakes up.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Mandroid7

Ok, why would anyone, ANYONE risk those consequences that you refer to?

No, I don't agree to any lifetime criminal record either. However, there is a shortage of jobs. Yes? If your an HR person responsible for hiring and you have six apps for one job, who are you going to take? It's not rocket science.

I have no doubt you just quit pot with zero problem, so did I. Booze as well, again no problem. So your saying alcoholism doesn't exist?? That people who, perhaps indulged far more than you, for far longer, with lesser abilities don't succumb to those impulses?

You talk about my narrow-mindedness? Bah.

How about the personal responsibility factor? One knows it's illegal, can cause all kinds of down the road problems, as you stated, and they still indulge? Tough tarpaper, Hardcasle, deal with it.

I was successful with my daughter, have my fingers cross for my grandchildren and care not one whit for your freedoms that increase the exposure to my family just to indulge in your 'freedom'.

I won't send you a ticket out of the country, you'd cash it in and be able to afford your doobies.....


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posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I trust not your scientific data. Nor the agenda behind them, from big pharm, Monsanto et al.....

I do not support the criminalization of pot use.

I do not support the legalization of pot use.

As you say, having helped some get off drugs, why would I support easier use/popularization of that use and see an increase in every drug's use as a result? It doesn't make any sense.

Of course, there will never be a drug free environment. That somehow means that it can't be improved? Bull!

I'm old enough to see and know what is called the 'norm' now is a lie.

On this, I'm not budging one bit. Agree to disagree is my view on this...



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
Ok, why would anyone, ANYONE risk those consequences that you refer to?


Why does anyone do anything?


No, I don't agree to any lifetime criminal record either. However, there is a shortage of jobs. Yes? If your an HR person responsible for hiring and you have six apps for one job, who are you going to take? It's not rocket science.

I have no doubt you just quit pot with zero problem, so did I. Booze as well, again no problem. So your saying alcoholism doesn't exist?? That people who, perhaps indulged far more than you, for far longer, with lesser abilities don't succumb to those impulses?


It's not like with decriminalization/legalization that addiction recovery places will go away... In fact they would be better equipped since the people would be there more willingly (since society doesn't arrest them and force them to go anymore through or shame them into not coming forward).


You talk about my narrow-mindedness? Bah.


Yes, you are quite narrow minded.


How about the personal responsibility factor? One knows it's illegal, can cause all kinds of down the road problems, as you stated, and they still indulge? Tough tarpaper, Hardcasle, deal with it.


These people cost YOU money through taxes. Every time someone is arrested and jailed on a drug charge, it costs YOU Mr. taxpayer money. This number is growing exponentially. Again more people use drugs than ever before, regardless of legality. And again, the one country that decriminalized drugs has seen a DECREASE in hardcore drug use. Isn't that what you want?


I was successful with my daughter, have my fingers cross for my grandchildren and care not one whit for your freedoms that increase the exposure to my family just to indulge in your 'freedom'.


Exposure to your family? Because people are doing drugs, YOUR family is exposed? This is the dumbest argument I've ever read for this case. What kind of exposure are you seeing with all the people doing drugs illegally? Your neighbor could be smoking up right now and you wouldn't even know. Heck he could be snorting stuff as well and you'd never know.


I won't send you a ticket out of the country, you'd cash it in and be able to afford your doobies.....


And you end your argument with another generalization. It is a shame that you are stuck in the 1980's "drugs are bad and drug users are the scum of the earth" mentality. I do hope that you join us in the 21st century that value freedom. But until you do, I let you know that YOU are explicitly oking the militarization of police, police state, and theft of our liberties that many on ATS here complain about every day.
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posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
“The fact is the Constitution gives Congress the ultimate oversight about what happens in the federal district,” Harris said.


I'm glad I don't live in D.C.

What's the point of living in D.C. anyways? Anything particularly socially or economically good about deciding to live there?

I'd live in Virginia or Maryland even if I worked in D.C., even if it took 45 minutes to get to and from work. Can anyone tell me what I'd be missing?

I live in Southeastern Virginia and have been to D.C. quite a few times.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I trust not your scientific data. Nor the agenda behind them, from big pharm, Monsanto et al.....


That's funny because I posted evidence on page 1 that big pharm is paying to keep marijuana illegal. Now you are just making crap up.


I do not support the criminalization of pot use.


Good


I do not support the legalization of pot use.


Bad. I hope you also don't support alcohol or tobacco being legal either. Those are FAR worse and FAR more destructive than pot.


As you say, having helped some get off drugs, why would I support easier use/popularization of that use and see an increase in every drug's use as a result? It doesn't make any sense.


Because all evidence so far says that the opposite will happen. Again, Portugal is only seeing downward trends in literally EVERY statistic related to drug usage after decriminalizing it. But you want to pretend that isn't happening so you can ok police gestapo tactics.


Of course, there will never be a drug free environment. That somehow means that it can't be improved? Bull!


And that is what I'm trying to argue for. YOUR solution has created the current problem (by making everything much worse). I want to fix it.


I'm old enough to see and know what is called the 'norm' now is a lie.


Ok grandpa, tell me about how Prohibition went down.


On this, I'm not budging one bit. Agree to disagree is my view on this...


At least you agree with decriminalization...



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