The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society

a reply to: mikegrouchy
Its not a bad song, but you know. Perspectives, women generally think only there's exist, and generally they express what they are by putting it and blaming it on men. I have met many women, hundreds and hundreds who seemed to be more christian like and always complain that guys want it all and all that. Well between them and the men which they got around with who do you think got around more and always wanted more and for less of a bother?

Some were right and justified in it, the rest though were exactly what they project onto others that they were. Which is why you can learn a lot about a woman by the things she rants about or any strong believes she has. Though some have smartened up even to that, some but not many. Who knows why, maybe they think staying silent on things would make them wiser. A wise thing to do, but very foolish in other respects. Besides there are many things one can learn about a person and that is just the least of it.

The human animal tends to placate and obfuscate things, twist them around each other till they themselfs dont know the differences, its a sort of oxymoron I think, we are a walking kaleidoscope of contrasting hilarity. Its a thing everybody does to one degree or another, though some do that that degree, and then try to reach for the sky with it.

If AI takes over one day, as Predicted by many include recently Stevie Hawkings, then I have to wonder if it will take a Gender side?

a reply to: nullafides

Apparently you merely wish to be "right". To "win". And wow, what a defensive response. You can disagree without being so purposefully abrasive. Given that you so vehemently feel that I was trying to put words in your mouth, while I did not attempt to do, I believe you were blinded by a feeling of defense boiling to what reads to be rage you could not truly read what I had to say. I feel that you merely looked for highlights, and cherrypicked. Good Job.

Dude you did try to put words in my mouth. Why deny it. As for cherrypicking, I answered those things which I thought I should answer. And believe it or not, I do not really even believe in right or wrong or even wining. You live long enough all the things you thought were right one day will turn out to be false and bad for you, and vice versa can also happen. So ya who is right and who is wrong When time will make fools of us all?

Its like looking at old pictures from highschool and going "OMG I cant believe I actually wore that or did that!" I merely say what I want to for whatever reason that I have, and then? Well! That's all there is to it and that may be all there is to life, period...Three periods to be exact.

a reply to: vasaga
Pretty interesting video, I did not expect to watch the whole thing. Its good to see that at the very least people are started to think about this thing. I personally dont agree with all that she said, but others it seems dead on. I warned people long ago that this whole feminist thing is going to go south, and its going to create maninists and from there it would just lead to more bull# and eventually to the death of all civilization, or at least civilization as we know it. Which even in that it may be a better thing, or who knows.

It even happened in this thread, some of the # the males in this thread said, especially the eluminatitech guy. Man the only other place I have heard so much crap in such a few sentences was years ago when the feminists were all over this site. I mean what? I suppose we should all pat each other on the back like they did and call it good. It's nucking stupid. I mean no offense to the guy if you read this, but whatever went down with you and your ex wife or whatever or kids, deal with it with her and through the courts, this whole barb thing is only going to lead to more stupid # and more feminists which would only lead to more maninists and so on, etc, forever and ever and eva.

I dont disagree with all feminism, but I think its time is done and over and has been for a while. And its better that females and like the one in the vid finally start think on what exactly some of the things they rhetoric without thinking actually means and the consequences, and not only the consequences they want to see.

Some of the other stuff she said is kind of whatever, like the stuff that only male can lead...OK whatever, the only thing that comes to mind when I heard her or any female really say that is, that somebody is trying to make more work for men and by defunct me, I just happen to be one of them male types, and some of these great male leads are just celebrated morons, which create more headaches and worse more work. And I hate unnecessary work, she obviously does not know what she is talking about. Lazy bugger.

The rest? Its a give or miss, some of it i find childish and only because she based it on the present which it should, but the past existed as well and not all of it should be dismissed so easily especially the biology aspect, but hey we all got opinions. And if we tried to compare and contrast opinions then it would be pages long. One thing is for sure though, she likely gets more attention from guys then the feminists, which could be a problem in itself, especially when it gets to there head, which it has a tendency to do. In all it was a interesting video, it gives people a lot to digest, its a good video.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

o.O
Using feminism as a scapegoat?
How so?

Because the actual argument, that I don't agree with, is that relationships are a losing proposition for men so they refuse to participate.
Which is partially true given how badly men are ripped in divorce court, how a man's life can be ruined on even the accusation of rape *getting fired and etc*, and other such things.

a reply to: NthOther

Star for you Good Sir!

It's true, there's a huge entitlement going on, not with all women, but many of them. I'd like to just add to what you've said - and you may agree with some, part or none of it - but this is a very sore subject for many, myself included.

The very same people who stereotype men as 'stupid' or 'less than a woman' are the same people who are extreme hypocrites - doing the very same thing and more as if that makes the issue any better for anyone involved. It doesn't.

Think equal rights are real? They aren't - we've given too much control over what goes on to the system, and the system is broken.

Example: When a couple gets divorced, who gets the children the *majority* of the time? Who ends up with most of the property and gobs of tax free cash? It's not the men., but don't take my word for it, do your own research.

For the vast majority, during divorce and custody battles the system is lopsided on the side of the *woman*. Equal? Nothing could be further from the truth. During a divorce, how many women *lash out* at the men in their life with physical violence, damage or steal property. Sadly,the vast majority of those who do those things, get away with it, even if it's reported. Example: woman punches on a man, and most times gets away with it - somehow whether guilty or not, it's somehow socially acceptable for a "scorned woman" to do these things, but not for a man. On the other hand, if a man were to open-handed smack a woman, damage or steal her property?...that's instant jail time. Equality I hear is what's wanted, hardly. It seems many are pushing for superior rights, not equal.

Want equality? STOP putting Gov't in charge/control of things like this or you will forever be less than, and pit against those who would stand up and change things, because they'd not be distracted by the entire can of bull crap.

I for one am done with the whole shipload of crap and if true equality is to be had, then everyone needs treated the same, period.

originally posted by: Eunuchorn
Kind of a disgusting rant on feminism. Star, nonetheless.

I blame the existence of rape for the social inequalities between the sexes.

Rape exists, humans shouldn't. Imo.

raping and defiling of males over females, positive charge over negative charge, the good and bad.... Whatever semantics you decide to use has existed long before humans and will exist after mankind is extinct. And it is only natural for the inferior of the two to fight back at any means necessary.... Even if its something as futile as some toilet bowl feminist blogspot. All the while paying men who rape their pockets for practically everything their world stands on.... From sidewalks... To technology.

Cute though

a reply to: BlackboxInquiry

From what I can tell, what you say is true in the US. The system is screwed up, the cultural movements at present are screwed up.

What I find myself wondering is why americans feel that the keeping the system out of things is the answer- instead of changing the system?

Is there a sense of powerlessness faced with that idea? Does it seem impossible to influence the direction of laws and governmental systems?

I try to get a better sense of what is going on there, and find some really extremist splits in the population, perhaps the population has just gotten too big, and too extreme in views for any sort of solidarity that would enable the people to bond together in a collective force. It is almost starting to take form in my mind that the "battle of the sexes" is encouraged and provoked by these powers that be, to keep the people from bonding together and becoming a force to be reckoned with....?

I have always been pretty outspoken about my overall opinion that much of the feminist positions and actions are hypocritical... recently having found myself embroiled in a forum for mens rights, I have witnessed an equal amount of hypocritical behavior though. It seems whenever you start to be motivated by anger and hatred, you become whatever it is you are "against".

The subject of french laws about paternity fraud is what I got involved with on that site, and besides profound differences in cultural ethics and values, the whole legal context is very different- in most divorces, no legal action is taken except through some simple but slow paperwork. Child custody is assumed to be 50-50, unless a costly legal battle is put into action, and even there, courts are obligated to do whatever they can to uphold 50-50 custody. So most people just work it out amongst themselves and do half-half. Alimony is rare, and when it is insisted upon, the ex-partner who makes the most income (regardless of sex) pays in one sum, or in more rare circumstances, if it can be determined it is really needed (like one partner is left homeless by the split) then it payments can be made for a while, but never exceeding 8 years.

All of the people I know who are divorced simply worked out their split themselves, came to an agreement. My best friend has been paying for the rent of her ex-husband for nine years now, though he lives with another woman now and has another child with her. She doesn't complain or blame him, they came to this agreement together. They are not enemies.

But sometimes I think- if they were in the US, they would have lawyers whispering in their ears, to each, that they are a victim and MUST fight back, and get into a legal battle to get more and make the other be "punished". The state would be stepping in and claiming responsibility for collecting child support (and determining how much it should be). All these third parties only interested in getting money themselves out of this couples situation!


In my mind the american couples are both victims of the "systems"- not only governmental, but even of the capitalism that is not checked by a more socially minded culture.

The only way I can see any escape from this is if men and women dropped their weapons, shut out the greedy outsiders, and chose to respect each other as humans who need each other. I feel like the activists on both sides are being tools of the system and widening this split that allows all these abuses to continue.

Even under the intent to educate younger generations not to be taken advantage of, not to trust the other sex, they are doing the work for the PTB (who probably sit and giggle watching it all).

So i've been watching this thread unfold. Seeing as I fall within the age bracket and have taken interest in some of the activities listed.I thought I might comment.

I myself am 25. I work full time, I do game in my spare time. I've watched porn as much as any man would be expected too (Don't hold it against me lol). I've also experience with the sex worker industry. Both as client and as a escort myself. Now what I have found among observing a number of friends and colleagues. Is that most men appear to be looking to pursue women, then women pursuing men. I have found most women I interact with, to be expectant of a man to make the initiating move. As far as dating is concerned.

I myself feel I understand why men turn towards things like gaming, pornography and sex workers. All can enable the limiting of emotional hurt or pain. I feel they also enable the guise of people not acknowledging their own issues or more precisely the mis-content, within their selves. Gaming for example, enables you to be anything. Within that username, gamertag, you can be whoever you choose. Its an escape and also enables you to connect with people.

Pornography, well its visual sexual gratification. It allows you to bear witness to things you may wish to do, or even make another being "feel". As far as pursuing Sex Workers for their services. Its the next best thing. I know multiple men who have utilised this service. I've also been practiced being an Escort, providing a service to women. The most common denominator I have witnessed being a core issue for clients is "intimacy". Now when I say that, im not referring primarily to the physical. But the thoughts and feelings a person has. The ability to project themselves, unhindered.

Its lead me to study subjects such as "Transactional Analysis". Which has opened up my perspective to greater factors when it comes to people forming relationships. I believe at its core, the focal issue for these men is intimacy. If they don't know or understand how to be themselves. How can they be self content? Imagine the confusion this must compile within a being. The anxiety, nervousness, the constant self doubts. Questioning everything. I don't view these people as withdrawing. They just do not know how to move forward. What is forward?! I've known many a person like this. I've even fallen folly to such moments as well. I myself do not know what my role as a "Man" should be in todays society.

I am simply trying to form my own conclusive mould and practice that. I believe helping others, practicing common courtesy and striving to inspire is the way to go.

a reply to: Amdusias

That's some interesting input and perspective.

I think the thing that most people are misunderstanding is that we are thing that we need a relationship to "move forward', as you say, but it maybe we are exactly where we should be.

Perhaps this is a necessary cycle that everyone is choosing, because if that wasn't the case people would be together regardless of the circumstances.

It appears that society, as a whole, has become knee-jerk intolerant. What this means is that we are extremely quick to judge, then discard someone if they make us feel bad, or bruise our ego's.

Peace,

RT

I find it hilarious that there are some feminist supporters here mocking the legitimate fear of young men being thought of as potential rapists just because they are men.

Fear is fear and it doesn't matter the source.

If a woman can use the tactic of forcing change due to fear then men clearly have the same right to voice their fears and concerns.


Who cares if a woman is afraid to walk around at night so long as she doesn't actually get raped right? It is the same argument as men being concerned about the impact of some perceived potential threat that may or may not occur.

One case is a woman and the other is a man, and yet only one of these groups is mocked endlessly in the press.

Everyone should be concerned about modern feminism's use of apply ORIGINAL SIN to one gender of their species. It has gotten to the point where "journalists" like Amanda Marcotte of Salon fame now have their views blasted over the airwaves by National Public Radio (NPR). You are talking about a billion dollar industry like GAWKER pushing to demonize and publicly shame 49% of the population just for being born.


Personally, I think most of these EVANGELISTS are just very insecure and unhappy people who will likely never be satisfied with any change that occurs.

-FBB

EDIT
Between work an and school I have attended seven (7) lectures billed as anti-discrimination but were essentially a mandatory lecture aimed at the male population. My engineering course just had a mandatory lecture in which a gender studies prof and an english prof ranted for 1.5 hours about men oppressing women in the tech field. Most of my professors are women who have worked as engineers and researchers and yet they were not asked to comment or even to contribute.

For the better part of 20 mins we "learned" about how men oppress women in engineering and tech because more of us enroll in those courses . . . . BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Of course they could not legitimately say the science because they chose the three majors which are not dominated or at parity based on female enrollment. Even my physics prof (female with a PhD in physics who researched dwarf star formation) thought that part was extremely damaging to their credibility as "researchers" and university professors.

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

o.O
Using feminism as a scapegoat?
How so?

Because the actual argument, that I don't agree with, is that relationships are a losing proposition for men so they refuse to participate.
Which is partially true given how badly men are ripped in divorce court, how a man's life can be ruined on even the accusation of rape *getting fired and etc*, and other such things.

There is also common law which is different depending on the state you live in (USA) or country. If you cohabit for a long enough period a partner can still claim privileges similar to that of marriage despite no contract ever being signed.

This is a practice with a very clear goal and a very clear beneficiary.

Its a strange world these days for sure.

-FBB

a reply to: Indigent

I for one consider myself lucky. My wife is the most important person / best friend l have, and her opinion l value greatly.

She's a man's woman so to speak, very crafty and independent, something l admire in her. I adore her and respect her, her opinion and thoughts matter to me greatly and vice versa.

She has helped me to become a better man and husband. She's just amazing.

So to all you guys out there, don't give up on woman or checkout. There are plenty of awesome and beautiful ladies out there, and often the right one comes along when your not looking for them.

a reply to: Indigent

It's not feminism which is to blame, far from it. It's the modern social structure and THAT is a thing of chaos figuring out of. I saw some estimates a while back that made me raise my spectacles. -- Today (roughly) 100% of all women end up having children with (again, roughly) 50% of the males, and often they will end up having several children with several of these "authorised breeders" (just to make a term for it). These "prime males" are recycled among the ladies, leaving roughly half of all men and for that matter, women also, outside serious relationships or left to brief player-style casual relationships. Anyway, half of the male gene-pool is eliminated within this generation.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

It appears my previous post was "removed"

If I came across disrespectful towards you, I apologize. It *genuinely* was not my intent to put words into your mouth. I apologize for actions on my part, intentional or otherwise, that made my response come back as an attempt to do so.

You're right, opinions and views do change over time. I can think of a plethora of things I've flipped on over the years, while something remain constant.

I do believe that people should be allowed to live the way they want to. Hell, if a group of hard edged feminists wanted to take over a town, or better yet, create their own town. VAST tracks of land (pun intentional) through America, with almost the state of their choice to do so. Create their own laws, do things as they see fit.

But, if there are those of us who would chose a more traditional approach, and prefer the sort of male/female society and interaction as it exists today. Most likely it would be advisable if our group did more to make the job playing field a level one, as I personally see the pay differences to be sickening.

Just my thoughts....


-NF

a reply to: Indigent
Whoah. Looks like you might have hit a nerve there, based on all the replies your post generated. Thanks, OP. The article series was an interesting read and the resulting commentary was also entertaining and informative...reminds me of Henry Rollins's "Untouchable". "That feeling, that untouchable feeling..."; and his advice at the end of that piece that you should let all those bad experiences make you a stronger person instead of a meaner person. That strength is being more kind. Good advice, Henry.

a reply to: Indigent

I've struggled a little with how to or whether I should personally reply to this thread, but oh well here goes.
You could say I've been a victim of this social paradigm. I don't like to play the victim, but it is true. I write these words with little if any anger, resentment or bitterness. We're all just out here trying to make it through life.
As a single man I struggled for years with how to approach the opposite sex. I had plenty of desire and determination, but not much aptitude. None of the traditional approaches seemed to work. Nothing on television, in the movies, or any of my parents' or friends' advice seemed to help. Nothing in the books I'd read either, though all these things did serve to spur on my desires. I also have a healthy endocrine system. Ignorance did not stop me from trying, though. Thinking myself the perfect gentleman, I'm pretty sure in retrospect that I mostly just came off as a buffoon time and time again. I probably even scared some of those gals with my well meaning but inept attempts at romantic behavior. As you might imagine, this generated some pretty extreme responses from time to time.
As I said in an earlier post, any Romeo, Cowboy, Knight In Shining Armor or Cave Man might be in for a rude awakening. This defenitely turned out to be true for me. Women can be cruel at times, and the fact that I can be a real ass at times didn't help the situation. I often came away from these situations feeling like a total failure or some kind of hideous monster who didn't even know what was wrong with him. This led me on a long journey of questioning my nature and my actions, and likely serving to prolong my difficulties by drawing attention to them. What was wrong with me, I asked. What is so terrible about me that I should be so scorned and distrusted. I've come to learn that there's nothing wrong with me, except perhaps a strong propensity toward assonine behavior.
This realization helped me to step out of the relationship box. Alot of the traditional notions about how we should have relationships are a load of poop anyway. I'm content to be here now as this real person. Any woman who should choose to interact with me is free to do so at any time. We can decide how we choose to relate, not some monstrous mass media construction. I have no desire to conform to the social norms in this arena. I am a romantic at heart, though, and I remain a firm lover of all women in general, with all of their beauty and ugliness thrown in.

a reply to: nullafides
Your post I believe consisted of a single word and a single star. That word being "whatever" and that star, well I gave you that star. But ATS has this rule were if your going to say something it has to at least be two sentences long. Which is why you should have said something along this line.

Whatever!

Second.

See, then maybe it would not be removed.

And as for my thoughts on this thing?

Well, I dont really see a problem here in any of this, even by all that people on this thread have said it all seems like nobody has any real issues. The dudes who got worked up because of the courts and there ex, well. That's what lawyers are for and pre-alimonies, its what pretty much every guy with money or that is famous does. Even Bill Gates I think made his wife sign on the doted line before they got married. And well now you got plenty of maninist groups and you even have lawyers catering to this. And so that love circle will go on. As far as I am concerned, its problem solved. And if you dont like it that way or going through all that, well Crom forbid that you two work things out at the very least in a semi rational fashion, it may even be cheaper.


As for the females in this group, not even the annoying feminist types have a real issue. The majority of females problem consists of them not playing so many games and just go ahead and do what everybody knows there going to do already. Even some who have been on this site for years with there feminist drivel dont have any real issues but being bored like that Anne person, or like that SearchLightsInc person, I think I even remember her from way back in 2010 going on with that feminist stuff.

Well suffice to say, in any site I been to were that got going generally it was all just nonsense, I remember on the videogame sites I was one years ago there was at least some arguing how women did not have as many options as men in that field and how were all losers for playing games. At least one I can remember was always going on about that, and well would you believe it she was married to some game developer and wasn't doing to bad for herself. And well the same pretty much on every site or everywere I went, some were even married to doctors and complaining to guys how they dont ever get anywere. As for this site? Well I think the majority of feminists from years ago there main problem was that they could not get there boyfriend or the guys they were currently seeing to take them to the more fancy restaurants in town, and well you know fishing. And some of them even put half or even a quarter of the effort of always going on about how guys are out to get them in the other direction, well there would be a lot less problems.

I mean you would think that putting all your effort in making this as hard for dudes and as impossible as they can, even all the propaganda they learn in school or collage, and then when they want to find a guy they complain that they cant find one, and even that is mens fault that they have made things as hard as possible for them, that some are thinking why even bother. I mean talk about silliness. Its like aiming a rock at the ground and missing. But I suppose womens ego have been stroked for so long, by so many groups, who know if they keep going like this they may even have to do the impossible. That thing which is almost an impossibility for them. They may have to ask guys out. Or they can turn lesbians, either way. Whatever you know.

As for your whole create there own land and laws. Sounds good to me, but hey then somebody would have to build that town and those laws. And well why do all that work when you can just wringle that out of the current towns, it involves a whole lot less work. If anything it may be a better thing if everybody had there own town for whatever tickles there fancy.

And even today most females are doing alright for themself, some are not, but most are. In pretty much every job I had there were females getting paid more then me, some for less some, and there are anything from women CEO's to doctors to whatever else. And definetely in the dating department they did not and still do not have it hard, I mean when you can complain that your significant other is not treating you right because he was not able to read your mind in some instance when some fancy took because you read some magazine. Well I would not consider that a real issue, and again even on this site by the response of some of the females on here, I would not say they have that hard of a time with opposite sex.

And for the guys in this sexodus thing, ah. More nonsense, if you watched that vid some pages back that was over an hour long, well even the woman in that video said it, holding up a passport and pointing to it saying that is the ticket to your freedom. I mean it wont be as easy as the ladies have it, may have to save up some cash, may have to plan a bit, and a bunch of other things, but I would not say there going extinct. More like just looking at different pastures were there may possibly be less headaches, or at least less walking contradictions strutting around. Even me my parents kept telling me to go back to the old country and just get it over with, which just sounds like good advice by now. May go one day spend a month my cousins probably could find some girls, and well if it comes to it I just may flip a coin heads yes, tails no, just to get it over with. And then well bada bing, bada boom, and then some more boom, and that's the end of that. Like I said no real issues.

Even the girls who like older men because they say there more mature. Well theres plenty of them around, so ya. Another big whatever, they dont seem to have that many problems going out of there way to find those guys. And well you know when some of them girls when they grow older and are more set up, or there just bored or even may have gathered enouph cuarage to finally try out all those fantasies they had, or whatever. Anyway they like them younger dudes now all of a sudden when they reach a certain age it seems, funny no how males and females are not really that different, the only difference is the way they get around to doing the same things. But anyways I see no shortage of that as well, plenty of dudes for that, some just waiting around for a sugar mama, or whatever, or just to get laid, or like that guy above said male escorts or love or affection or whatever fetish they have, and I am quite sure they will meet one day. Again I see no issues.

Basically what I am saying I see no shortage on any end of the spectrum and I think the only real issue here. Even the whole robot females that wont come around or be on market for at least a generation or two, so they cant even blame that on the japanese. But when it does, oh boy the whole futurama "dont date robots comes to mind" If they think videogames and the internet has screwed up things. Boy are they clueless, lets just say it just may be the end of the human race as we know it. But thats neither here or there.

So...Well I have other thoughts on this whole thing, but I will leave it at that for now. In all! And as far as I am concerned its all problems solved, time to pat ourself on the back and all that jive. Or at least, meh! Good enough, considering what you have to work with, its passable even if barely. What I am saying dude is...Whatever!

I haven't checked out, but I don't seek out relations anymore. I prefer a more zen approach. When it's there it'll be there.

I can't blame men for checking out, though. I am very well adjusted and resilient to stress, which allowed me to grow from my experiences. Most men probably don't have it so well. Some of the adverse reactions I got during my misadventures were downright traumatic. I can't count the times I was stood up by a girl because she was too "nice" to say no. You'd think they could've just let me know they weren't interested without standing me up. Often girls would act as though I were stalking them for expressing a passing interest in getting to know them. I realize these women were probably mostly reacting out of an irrational fear, but this kind of stuff can be sooooo demoralizing. Enough to make one consider becoming a hermit. I got worse, too, but I'm not here to relive the past or indict the female gender.

Rarely if ever did I get any information on what it was I was doing "wrong". Just enough information to let me know that they thought I was a total poopbag, usually, and that was about it. Im serious, I am not embellishing, and I don't write these words in anger or bitterness: that's about how it usually played out, though. Like I was going to freak out and start busting up the place if they handed me an honest rejection or something. It was odd. I guess that brings me to the first bit of personal wisdom I could pass along. Ladies, perhaps you could try to share your personal feelings with the guys that come at you wrong. Offer a little criticism, perhaps. Maybe he's just coming at you wrong because he doesn't know any better.