The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society

a reply to: Truthbadger

you bent over when you opened that door didnt you?
point being is most women dont think about it and therefor dont differentiate between that and say another dude coming to rape her

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You obviously don't know any infantry xD None would be uncomfortable about standing next to a naked woman. Logistics are part of everything in life, so calling it a logistical issue isn't really dealing with it.

Woman joins infantry. Woman wants own bathing stall. Logistics? Sure. Don't pretend it isn't because you have joined though.

Personally, I would be pissed if I was infantry, and woman got better living standards then I did.

I would be putting my life on the line, same as you. Why should you get private showers, and I not?

a reply to: dawnstar

"So well guess your stereotypical crap just doesn't pan out when necessity kicks in does it?"

You aren't reading my posts carefully, or are reading them with an already-jaded perspective, since I am trying hard to NOT buy into all the "stereotypical crap". In my previous posts, I've trumpeted creative, non-traditional solutions to any serious problem. And I've suggested getting away from this unattainable idea of "total equality," and substitute instead the idea of "respect for uniqueness."

I applaud what your father did to help his family survive during the Great Depression! Those folks learned resilience, and finding unemotional solutions to life-threatening problems brought people together - NOT drove them apart. Studies in Epigenetics today prove that those little-heralded folks who survived the Great Depression in the 1930s, passed on genetic gifts to a lot of us:

discovermagazine.com...
GRANDMA'S EXPERIENCES GROWING UP CAN PASS ON ANXIETY OR RESILIANCE TO CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN

And today, people are paying good money to take classes in "sewing" that people used to learn from family members:

www.craftsy.com...
CRAFTSY - SEWING AND QUILTING

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"The schools were much stricter back then. If it's so unnatural for boys to be able to sit still and learn why didn't they have a problem back then? "

You obviously didn't read my answer the first time you posted this. Life was harder "back then", and boys got plenty of learning-by-doing just helping run a farm or ranch. When Harvest time came, they disappeared from school for weeks. And once boys learned handwriting, in order to later sign legal documents, and simple math to keep track of farm stock and financial records, they bailed on school at about 9th grade.

a reply to: Truthbadger

Violent porn has been around for a long time. Just because it's available for consumption doesn't mean that suddenly men are becoming violent rapists. In fact, rather the opposite seems to be trending.

Forcible rape hit a peak in 1992. Since then, it has been steadily declining. So if HD porn were turning people into rapists, you'd expect to see these numbers going up.

Rape Statistics

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
So really, the "morale" issue has to be addressed, and fixed.

Not nit-picking...OK, I am.

But it's "Moral issue", not morale issue. But I'm sure that in todays military culture, having women bath with the guys would raise "morale" a bit.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

The porn argument is flimsy.

It's actually quite strong imo.

We only need to look to who's buying and who's selling, in that arena.

The answer would be male's.......overwhelmingly.

What proof? We only need to look to online sites that advertise for escort services ( voluntarily I might add), and the answer is overwhelmingly Female. Male section for escorts is typically about 5% compare to the female ads.

Also we can look to who is seeking sex, or casual hook-ups, on CL, and the answer is overwhelmingly males.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird


Okay....

Physiological differences aside...

Everything about the human psyche and brain (thought, emotion, etc) is based off an electrical maelstrom impacting and impacted by the chemical soup of the brain itself. Observation and rational science has shown this time and time again.

Different GENDERS, yes, an evolutionary differentiate, are determined by said maelstrom because of the exact proportional creation and release of hormones. Estrogen and Testosterone.

Yet, oddly enough, you say that possibly opposites are not good for each other? Well, how can you say Estrogen and Testosterone are not opposites? And even further to the point, the male gender is not without estrogen, and the female gender is not without testosterone.

Estrogen

Estrogen is a female sex hormone that develops secondary female sex characteristics. Estrogen is produced primarily by the ovaries but also appears from adrenal glands and fat tissues. There are three major types of estrogen in women: estrone, estradiol and estriol. Estrone is the least plentiful of the three major forms of estrogen. Estradiol is more prevalent in women during reproductive ages. During pregnancy, the placenta generates estriol.

Testosterone

Men usually have between 300 and 1,200 nanograms of testosterone per deciliter of blood, whereas women have between 30 and 95 nanograms. Testosterone is the foremost male sex hormone that develops secondary male sex characteristics. It is primarily secreted in the testes and is vital in the development of the prostate. It plays an important role in bone density, fat distribution, red blood cell production, sex drive and sperm production.

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Sex-typed behavior

The hormonal theory of sexuality and gender identity holds that, just as exposure to certain hormones plays a role in fetal sex differentiation, such exposure also influences the sexual orientation and or gender identity that emerges later in the adult. Differences in brain structure that come about from chemical messengers and genes interacting on developing brain cells are believed to be the basis of sex differences in countless behaviors, including sexual orientation.[1] Prenatal factors that affect or interfere with the interaction of these hormones on the developing brain can influence later sex-typed behavior in children.[1] This hypothesis is originated from countless experimental studies in non-human mammals, yet the argument that similar effects can be seen in human neurobehavioral development is a much debated topic among scholars.[2] Recent studies, however, have provided evidence in support of prenatal androgen exposure influencing childhood sex-typed behavior.[2]

1 - Garcia-Falgueras, Alicia, & Swaab, Dick F., Sexual Hormones and the Brain, op. cit., p. 24.
2 - dx.doi.org...Hines, Melissa (October 2010). "Sex-related variation in human behavior and the brain.". Trends in Cognitive Sciences 14 (10): 448–456. doi:10.1016/j.tics.2010.07.005.

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And those that are transgender? People knowing from the core of their being that somehow their bodies are just *wrong*?

Transgender is the state of one's gender identity or gender expression not matching one's assigned sex.[1] Transgender is independent of sexual orientation; transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, etc; some may consider conventional sexual orientation labels inadequate or inapplicable to them. The definition of transgender includes: "Of, relating to, or designating a person whose identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender roles, but combines or moves between these."[2] "People who were assigned a sex, usually at birth and based on their genitals, but who feel that this is a false or incomplete description of themselves."[3] "Non-identification with, or non-presentation as, the sex (and assumed gender) one was assigned at birth."[4]

1 - Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. "GLAAD Media Reference Guide - Transgender glossary of terms", "GLAAD", USA, May 2010. Retrieved on 2011-02-24. www.glaad.org...

2- Author unknown, (2004) "...Transgender, adj. Of, relating to, or designating a person whose identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender, but combines or moves between these..." Definition of transgender[dead link] from the Oxford English Dictionary, draft version March 2004. Retrieved on 2007-04-07.
3 - "USI LGBT Campaign - Transgender Campaign". Retrieved 11 January 2012. www.usilgbt.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink">web.archive.org...://www.usi lgbt.org/index.php?categoryid=35
4 - Stroud District Council "Gender Equality SCHEME AND ACTION PLAN 2007"
Stroud District Council "Gender Equality SCHEME AND ACTION PLAN 2007" www.stroud.gov.uk...

Biology is not by any means perfect, but, it does have a vector and a purpose. Even cultural understandings such as those of the asian cultures understand the Yin and the Yang. Opposites, but forces that come together in harmony and work together. Balance. Either side goes too far, and balance is not achieved. Arguably, without balance, you have chaos.

We see almost every single instance of species in nature the numerically undeniability of genders. The male genders almost always take the role of protector. The female species almost always takes the role of lifegiver and nurturer. The only exceptions that I can see to this are in the cases of penguins and seahorses. I say this with the caveat of only having had one cup of coffee, it being 7:37am, and my utter acknowledgement of the fact that I have been fallible in past ascertions. No one single person is always correct.

Much like other ideas or memes, the concept of the die hard Feminist (and Male Dominance, just as silly) wherein the opposite is not needed or of any value or importance, is something virally spoon fed to the masses. Unfortunately, the pandering of such ideas is due to the practice of patriarchal or matriarchal social structures and the natural sidelining of the gender that is opposite to these structures. This leads to a sense of un-importance on both sides, or of "superiority". Naturally, whenever someone feels subordinate, an internal struggle is likely to occur.

It is an imbalance on both sides, and therefore chaos.

-NF

a reply to: sirhumperdink

Out of courtesy, more then an overriding sense of kindness. I hate it when a door is slammed in my face, so I don't do it to others. If women see courtesy as weakness, then maybe I should become the asshole douche that gets laid all the time.

a reply to: Truthbadger

How is it a better standard if the stall is open for ANYONE to use? I'm saying I want my own little shower sanctuary with scented oils and luxury poufs. Just a couple walls and a latch, that anyone can use for a little privacy. I don't want it just for myself, others are free to use it too.

a reply to: Truthbadger

thats kind of how it works
if nobody thinks about the situation (which is true of most) the only thing gleened from it is that you are willing to submit

a reply to: Realtruth

Men watch porn of women being abused, by up to 6 men at a time. Over long periods of time men become "used" to this sort if scenario. Called conditioning, and has been happening for years. my 15 year old nephew showed me some videos on his phone the other day.

I can tell you now, I have seen some # in my days. I was gobsmacked by what I saw on his phone (and he was laughing).

So yea, people can say porn isn't an issue. I say 15 year old kids who have unfettered access to the most hardcore porn is a cause for concern.

a reply to: Truthbadger

So let me get this straight..
because I cannot drag you arse 100 ft I don't deserve to have equal rights constitutionally?? That was the argument in the 70's that was used against the ERA.
Can every man you meet on the street drag you 100 ft???
Is every man you meet on the street suitable to work in a mine?
I bet I have met some women that could throw you arse across the room and there are some women working in the mines!
so well where does that leave us??
Maybe only those people who can drag your arse 100 ft deserve to have equal rights constitutionally??
Or maybe just maybe we just accept the idea that physical strength isn't the top priority in the world? That those who are not so endowed in that area also have a spot in our society and any field that they are physically able to handle should be opened to them? That all and all we are all equally capable of contributing in society in the workforce and in the raising of the child?
Just because a man interacts differently than a women would with his children doesn't mean that his impact on his child's life is less important.
And just because a women might not be as strong as a man doesn't mean that their impact on the war front isn't less important! Or in the workplace!
difference does not justify inequality!

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I don't think you would want to use it again after knowing what your fellow squaddies do in there.

a reply to: Truthbadger

I will thank you if you hold the door open for me but I have to warn you if I see you struggling with a heavy load I am apt to hold the door open for you. Will you be offended when I do?? If so I am sorry but I have struggled enough that I really hate to see others struggle and have a natural instinct to try to make things easier on people doesn't matter to me what sex they are.

a reply to: dawnstar

I'm not American, so the Constitution doesn't apply in England.

Not every man in the street can drag me 100 feet, no. I don't expect them to?

A soldier, however, is expected to.

"Some" women working in the mines. Not a whole lot, nor do they want to.

Armed forces is all about physical strength and endurance. Sorry if that offends you?

I think you're just mad at some of the things I said, and took them out of context.

I am saying quite clearly I am all for equality, just not selective equality. Equal means equal.

Women have had a massive impact on the world, albeit in different ways. Not sure what your question/point was here?

a reply to: dawnstar

If someone holds the door open for me, I smile and say thank you. I am polite. If someone just lets the door slam in my face I swear and get on with it. I hold the door open for males and females, young or old. Being courteous doesn't cost anything.

Women in the military don't need a private stall for showering, most of the rape cases are man on man anyways.
m.mic.com...

I guess dudes will stick it in whatever they can, with or without permission. Personally, I blame the porn industry.
& the GOP obviously.

Butt sex is only gay if you enjoy it?

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I apologise if you thought I was trying to say that porn is turning men into the next Jack the Ripper.

I was trying to show the correlation between young men's thought process regarding women interaction is heavily influenced by what they watch, especially if they are still developing mentally, physically and sexually.

I'm not even a psychologist and I can see how watching something over a large period of time can influence you.

originally posted by: Truthbadger
a reply to: Realtruth

Men watch porn of women being abused, by up to 6 men at a time. Over long periods of time men become "used" to this sort if scenario. Called conditioning, and has been happening for years. my 15 year old nephew showed me some videos on his phone the other day.

I can tell you now, I have seen some # in my days. I was gobsmacked by what I saw on his phone (and he was laughing).

So yea, people can say porn isn't an issue. I say 15 year old kids who have unfettered access to the most hardcore porn is a cause for concern.

You'll get no argument from me, porn does desensitize men and put the ritual of sex in a unrealistic light.

But again education is key here, and no one wants to address the issues and empower children.

We shelter children, from violent or scary movies when they are young, and responsible adults do the same with porn, but in the advent of the destruction of the family unit, and children are left fending for themselves, while mommy and daddy are both off to work, hence the lack of active guidance and present role models.

If a child has access to harmful material and situations, then the parents are failing.

a reply to: Truthbadger

Armed forces is all about physical strength and endurance. Sorry if that offends you?

not really
some positions are and I am not saying that anyone who doesn't have the strength should be allowed in those positions.. But there are others that aren't as physically demanding and well even the queen of england served!