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You Can’t Detox Your Body. It’s A Myth.

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posted on Dec, 13 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
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I asked you what exactly the toxins are and the claim that you answered that question is false. You posted a WebMD article and as I said that did not name the toxins either.

The rest of your post is part of your normal forte full of filler.


Then just answer the simple question of what exactly is being detoxed? What exactly are the toxins?

Surely you will be able to provide evidence of those.


Your answer simply shows that you don't read what other members who disagree with you post, and you don't seem to understand that there are many toxins. You don't target one specific toxin or 2.

If you were to bother to read the responses in your own thread you would find the following as part of my responses.


originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Grimpachi

Toxins can refer to natural toxins, poisonous substances, produced within living cells or to synthetic toxins, or chemicals such as pesticides. When one is doing detox you are trying to get rid of as many of both as possible, which is why no particular toxin is mentioned. If you noticed even in your article that researcher merely calls them toxins. He doesn't specify either because when you are talking about toxins is not one particular toxin over another that you are trying to get rid of, or you are trying to help your body to more easily get rid of as many toxins as possible.
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I just gave a small example in the above explanation, as I though most people knew what can become toxic.

Apart from natural toxins produced within living cells, and apart from mentioning in specific pesticides as being a type of toxic substance, there are many others.

If there is an imbalance of chemicals, and compounds in your body they can reach toxic levels, for example too much iron can be toxic, too much aluminum becomes toxic, too much salt becomes toxic, too much caffeine becomes toxic, too much sugar, food preservatives and sweeteners like aspartame, and the list goes on...

Too much of a specific substance, chemical or compound in the body can be toxic. Some of these substances, chemicals and compounds are more toxic at lower levels than others. Some like mercury, are very toxic at almost any level within the body, more so if there is a genetic predisposition that makes that person, or child more propense to the effects of these substances, compounds or chemicals at lower levels than on other people who do not have such a genetic predisposition.

In this day and age people are more exposed to toxins than ever before. There are many toxic substances or chemicals that can become toxic which we breathe, drink, come in contact with our skin, or eat (such as dioxins) every day of our lives. Depending of where you live, you can be more exposed to many toxic substances and chemicals than other people living in other areas.

When you are eating foods that are more easily digestible you are helping the body detoxify, even when those foods, such as fruits can, and unfortunately do also have some toxic chemicals.

Since toxins are filtered by the intestines, the kidneys, the liver, the lymph system, the respiratory tract, and the skin, anything that helps any of these organs to detoxify, is a detox regime.

You don't need to buy expensive "detox regimes" to detox the body. I gave some examples of ways that are very accessible to most people to help them detox.

Staying hydrated helps your body better get rid of toxic substances, eating as healthy as possible and balanced meals helps your body function better hence it helps your body detoxify. Then there is the 2-4 day water fast in which you give your body a respite from many toxic substances and many chemicals if you drink filtered water.

Yes, unfortunately even water does have chemicals such as fluoride, and depending on the water source from which your area draws it's water it can have more or less chemicals and substances which can become toxic. But still, with the approval of your doctor a 2-4 day water fast can help your body detoxify since you are not eating anything that can have preservatives, and you are putting in your body less sources of pesticides and chemicals that can become toxic helping the body more easily get rid of accumulated toxins.

And in case you are wondering, yes there are medicinal plants that can also help to detoxify and there is no need to spend a fortune on them. If you have a small garden, or backyard you can grow many of such plants yourself.



edit on 13-12-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.




posted on Dec, 13 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Grimpachi
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I asked you what exactly the toxins are and the claim that you answered that question is false. You posted a WebMD article and as I said that did not name the toxins either.

The rest of your post is part of your normal forte full of filler.


Then just answer the simple question of what exactly is being detoxed? What exactly are the toxins?

Surely you will be able to provide evidence of those.


Your answer simply shows that you don't read what other members who disagree with you post, and you don't seem to understand that there are many toxins. You don't target one specific toxin or 2.

If you were to bother to read the responses in your own thread you would find the following as part of my responses.


originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Grimpachi

Toxins can refer to natural toxins, poisonous substances, produced within living cells or to synthetic toxins, or chemicals such as pesticides. When one is doing detox you are trying to get rid of as many of both as possible, which is why no particular toxin is mentioned. If you noticed even in your article that researcher merely calls them toxins. He doesn't specify either because when you are talking about toxins is not one particular toxin over another that you are trying to get rid of, or you are trying to help your body to more easily get rid of as many toxins as possible.
...


I just gave a small example in the above explanation, as I though most people knew what can become toxic.

Apart from natural toxins produced within living cells, and apart from mentioning in specific pesticides as being a type of toxic substance, there are many others.

If there is an imbalance of chemicals, and compounds in your body they can reach toxic levels, for example too much iron can be toxic, too much aluminum becomes toxic, too much salt becomes toxic, too much caffeine becomes toxic, too much sugar, food preservatives and sweeteners like aspartame, and the list goes on...

Too much of a specific substance, chemical or compound in the body can be toxic. Some of these substances, chemicals and compounds are more toxic at lower levels than others. Some like mercury, are very toxic at almost any level within the body, more so if there is a genetic predisposition that makes that person, or child more propense to the effects of these substances, compounds or chemicals at lower levels than on other people who do not have such a genetic predisposition.

In this day and age people are more exposed to toxins than ever before. There are many toxic substances or chemicals that can become toxic which we breathe, drink, come in contact with our skin, or eat (such as dioxins) every day of our lives. Depending of where you live, you can be more exposed to many toxic substances and chemicals than other people living in other areas.

When you are eating foods that are more easily digestible you are helping the body detoxify, even when those foods, such as fruits can, and unfortunately do also have some toxic chemicals.

Since toxins are filtered by the intestines, the kidneys, the liver, the lymph system, the respiratory tract, and the skin, anything that helps any of these organs to detoxify, is a detox regime.

You don't need to buy expensive "detox regimes" to detox the body. I gave some examples of ways that are very accessible to most people to help them detox.

Staying hydrated helps your body better get rid of toxic substances, eating as healthy as possible and balanced meals helps your body function better hence it helps your body detoxify. Then there is the 2-4 day water fast in which you give your body a respite from many toxic substances and many chemicals if you drink filtered water.

Yes, unfortunately even water does have chemicals such as fluoride, and depending on the water source from which your area draws it's water it can have more or less chemicals and substances which can become toxic. But still, with the approval of your doctor a 2-4 day water fast can help your body detoxify since you are not eating anything that can have preservatives, and you are putting in your body less sources of pesticides and chemicals that can become toxic helping the body more easily get rid of accumulated toxins.

And in case you are wondering, yes there are medicinal plants that can also help to detoxify and there is no need to spend a fortune on them. If you have a small garden, or backyard you can grow many of such plants yourself.




Once again though you're missing the point.

Fasting won't help you "detox" any faster than you would have done anyway.
Eating plants that you've grown yourself won't help you "detox" any faster than you would have done anyway.
Drinking more water or liquids than normal won't help you "detox" any faster than you would have anyway.


You cannot speed up the biological processes your body performs to digest, absorb and excrete compounds greater than it's normal rate.
It really is impossible to do that.
If you can show me that it isn't please do so, I'll happily change what I know.

Stop eating and drinking crap and your body will be healthier.
That's about it really.
(But it won't get rid of the crap that you already have eaten any faster than it would have done anyway...)



posted on Dec, 13 2014 @ 08:11 PM
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My mother in law was diagnosed with stage 4 renal cell carcinoma. She had 1 adrenal and 1 Kidney removed. A follow up PET scan found a small tumor on her other kidney and the Dr. wanted to remove it too. Meanwhile she was persuaded by some well meaning friends that Big Pharma was really trying to kill her and that her best bet was to refuse the surgury, stop taking Chemo and go to a clinic in Mexico that promised to cure cancer.
The clinic in Mexico put her on a strict diet of only organic fruits & veggies, they gave her numerous cleansing and detoxifying treatments. One month and $40,000 later she came back to the US to find out that the small tumor on her other kidney had doubled in size and now she had masses in her lungs, bowels and lymph nodes.

I think it is important to eat clean, but the notion that some diet or treatment is going to detox your body is nonsense. A lifetime of neglect and damage cannot be miraculously cured by drinking some potion or inserting it in the other end.

The snake oil salesman are still here and doing quite well.



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 03:34 AM
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originally posted by: Sparky63
My mother in law was diagnosed with stage 4 renal cell carcinoma. She had 1 adrenal and 1 Kidney removed. A follow up PET scan found a small tumor on her other kidney and the Dr. wanted to remove it too. Meanwhile she was persuaded by some well meaning friends that Big Pharma was really trying to kill her and that her best bet was to refuse the surgury, stop taking Chemo and go to a clinic in Mexico that promised to cure cancer.
The clinic in Mexico put her on a strict diet of only organic fruits & veggies, they gave her numerous cleansing and detoxifying treatments. One month and $40,000 later she came back to the US to find out that the small tumor on her other kidney had doubled in size and now she had masses in her lungs, bowels and lymph nodes.

I think it is important to eat clean, but the notion that some diet or treatment is going to detox your body is nonsense. A lifetime of neglect and damage cannot be miraculously cured by drinking some potion or inserting it in the other end.

The snake oil salesman are still here and doing quite well.


Eating healthy can HELP prevent certain types of cancer but doesn't mean you won't get it.

Your mother-in-law's plight is the real unfortunate truth about alternative cancer "treatment".
It NEVER works and just causes more pain and suffering.
It also eats away at the single most important thing a cancer sufferer has, time.


I really feel for you and your mother-in-law as most of us will turn to anything that offers any hope in desperate times and that's what these vampires feed off.
I loathe them with a passion.

I'm guessing it was the Gerson Therapy clinic.
There hasn't been ONE verifiable case of that ever curing, reversing or even slowing a cancer down.
Plenty of testimonials though...ask Steve McQueen...



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi
a reply to: Pardon?

I do not advocate snake oil for anything, including detox. However, there is no way to avoid exposure to the vast array of contaminants in our FUBARRED world causing the chronic disease pandemic. Just eating a so-called 'healthy' diet can't fix what ails us all. ....I think the take home message is to be sceptical, cautious and check your sources - don't jump on fads or spend a fortune - but do make an effort to help your poor beleaguered body deal with the never-ending, unavoidable assaults that stress all your systems.

And please - don't be throwin' the baby out with the bathwater.



posted on Dec, 15 2014 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
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Stop eating and drinking crap and your body will be healthier.
That's about it really.
(But it won't get rid of the crap that you already have eaten any faster than it would have done anyway...)



At least we agree on something, as for the rest of your argument read below.




originally posted by: Pardon?

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You cannot speed up the biological processes your body performs to digest, absorb and excrete compounds greater than it's normal rate.
It really is impossible to do that.
If you can show me that it isn't please do so, I'll happily change what I know.



I really doubt that due to the fact that in a similar thread having to do with heavy metals , and toxic compounds/adjavents in vaccines you readily dismiss the dozens of peer reviewed journals of medicine, and all the doctors and specialists who disagree with you.

Like some other members and I have stated already, yes unfortunately there are many scams out there trying to take advantage of people who want to use alternative medicine to help them, including helping with detoxification. But just because there are scams, it doesn't mean they are all scams like you and some others keep trying to claim.

There is actual evidence that alternative medicine does work despite claims from people like you that it doesn't.

As an example, the use of Adenocaulon himalaicum




Family Asteraceae (alt. Compositae)
Scientific name Adenocaulon himalaicum Edgeworth
Synonyms Adenocaulon adhaerescens Maximovicz; Adenocaulon bicolor Hooker; Adenocaulon bicolor Hooker var. adhaerescens (Maximovicz) Makino; Adenocaulon bicolor Hooker var. integrifolium (Nuttall) Torrey & A. Gray; Adenocaulon integrifolium Nuttall
Common name (Japanese common name) no-buki (ノブキ, 野蕗 [meaning: wild fuki (fuki = Petasites japonicus)])
(English common name) American trailplant, trailplant
Distribution (Japan) Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu, Okinawa
(Other nations) Korea, China, Himalaya (Nepal to Bhutan), USA
Habitat Mountane forest
Chromosomal number 2n=20, 38, 46, 48
Description Plants electing 60-100cm tall. Leaves 7-13cm long, 11-22cm wide, petioles 10-20cm long. Flowers involucres 2.5mm long, flowering in August to October. Fruits 6-7mm long. Perennial plants.
Reference Adenocaulon bicolor Hooker
Cyrological studies on some Eastern Himalayan plants and their related species
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flowers.la.coocan.jp...

The above link is just to show what plant I am talking about.






J Med Food. Aug 2013; 16(8): 701–710.

doi: 10.1089/jmf.2012.2625



PMCID: PMC3751273

Bifunctional Chemopreventive Effects of Adenocaulon himalaicum Through Induction of Detoxification Enzymes and Apoptosis


Ji Ho Yun,* Saet Byoul Lee,* Kyungsu Kang, Eun Ha Lee, Hee Ju Lee, Sang Hoon Jung, and Chu Won Nho


Author information ► Article notes ► Copyright and License information ►

Abstract.


Phase II detoxification enzymes are known to play essential roles in the detoxification and elimination of activated carcinogens during tumor initiation, while apoptosis is one of the most important chemopreventive targets for inhibiting tumor promotion in cancer. In this study, we investigated the cancer chemopreventive activity of two plant extracts, the ethanolic extract of Adenocaulon himalaicum (AHE) and the butanolic fraction of AHE (AHB). Both, the AHE and AHB induced NQO1 activity and had relatively high chemoprevention indices (CI=12.4). The AHE and AHB were associated with increased NQO1 and HO-1 mRNA levels via Nrf2-ARE pathway activation. In addition, the AHB increased CYP1A1 activity through AhR-XRE pathway activation. We also found that the AHE and AHB induced apoptosis, as evidenced by phosphatidylserine externalization, an increase in the sub-G0/G1 content, chromatin condensation, poly(ADP-ribose) polymerase cleavage, and p53 induction. These data suggest that AHE and AHB act as bifunctional inducers and that their chemopreventive effects result from the biphasic induction of phase II detoxification enzymes and apoptosis. Therefore, these results suggest that A. himalaicum plant extracts have potential for use as chemopreventive agents for the prevention and/or treatment of human cancers.

Key Words: Adenocaulon himalaicum, apoptosis, colon cancer, heme oxygenase, Nrf2, quinone reductase
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The claim you make that, and I quote:

originally posted by: Pardon?

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You cannot speed up the biological processes your body performs to digest, absorb and excrete compounds greater than it's normal rate.


That's patently false. Yes there are plants that help your body in performing better digestion and faster, and help you excrete if you have constipation.

The fact that you don't even know that there are plants that help you with this process speaks volumes when it comes to your knowledge of this particular topic.


Blond psyllium


What is it?

Blond psyllium is an herb. The seed and the outer covering of the seed (husk) are used to make medicine.

Blond psyllium is used as a laxative and for softening stools in people with hemorrhoids, anal fissures, and after anal surgery. It is also used for diarrhea, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), ulcerative colitis, and dysentery. Other uses include high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, weight control, and serious renal disease.

Some people apply blond psyllium to the skin as a poultice for boils.

In food manufacturing, blond psyllium is used as a thickener or stabilizer in some frozen dairy desserts.

Some foods that contain blond psyllium carry a label that claims these foods, when consumed as part of a low-fat diet, may reduce the risk of heart disease. The FDA allows this claim if the food contains at least 1.7 grams of psyllium per serving. The key word in this claim is “may.” It is true that blond psyllium can help lower cholesterol levels; but there’s no proof yet that taking blond psyllium reduces the risk of developing heart disease. Despite its effectiveness in lowering cholesterol levels, blond psyllium has not yet been included in the stepwise approaches to dietary therapy such as the American Heart Association Step I or Step II diets for high cholesterol. Most clinical studies have used a specific blond psyllium powder preparation (Metamucil) or food that contains psyllium seed husk, such as cereals, breads, or snack bars.
...


Continued below.


edit on 15-12-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Dec, 15 2014 @ 07:30 AM
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How effective is it?

Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database rates effectiveness based on scientific evidence according to the following scale: Effective, Likely Effective, Possibly Effective, Possibly Ineffective, Likely Ineffective, Ineffective, and Insufficient Evidence to Rate.

The effectiveness ratings for BLOND PSYLLIUM are as follows:


Effective for...

•Constipation. Some evidence suggests that taking blond psyllium by mouth, alone or as a combination product, can relieve constipation and improve stool consistency.

Likely effective for...

•Lowering cholesterol in people with high cholesterol. Taking blond psyllium by mouth reduces
...

www.nlm.nih.gov...


You obviously don't seem to know that even today, to some extend many doctors still successfully use medicinal plants, instead of the synthetics favored by big pharma, to treat many health related problems.


edit on 15-12-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: correct excerpt.



posted on Dec, 15 2014 @ 07:40 AM
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Another example.







Microbiol Res. 2014 Apr;169(4):294-300. doi: 10.1016/j.micres.2013.07.008. Epub 2013 Aug 6.

Detoxification of aflatoxin B1 by an aqueous extract from leaves of Adhatoda vasica Nees.

Vijayanandraj S1, Brinda R2, Kannan K1, Adhithya R1, Vinothini S1, Senthil K3, Chinta RR4, Paranidharan V1, Velazhahan R5.



Author information







Abstract

The effectiveness of aqueous extracts of various medicinal plants in detoxification of aflatoxin B1 (AFB1) was tested in vitro by thin-layer chromatography and enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA). Among the different plant extracts, the leaf extract of Vasaka (Adhatoda vasica Nees) showed the maximum degradation of AFB1 (≥ 98%) after incubation for 24h at 37 °C. The aflatoxin detoxifying activity of the A. vasica leaf extract was significantly reduced by heating to 100 °C for 10 min or autoclaving at 121 °C for 20 min. Dialysis had no effect on aflatoxin detoxifying ability of A. vasica extract and the dialyzed extract showed similar level of detoxification of AFB1 as that of the untreated extract. A time course study of aflatoxin detoxification by A. vasica extract showed that 69% of the toxin was degraded within 6h and ≥ 95% degradation was observed after 24h of incubation. Detoxification of AFB1 by A. vasica extract was further confirmed by liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry (LC-MS) analysis. Phytochemical analysis revealed the presence of alkaloids in methanolic extract of A. vasica leaves. A partially purified alkaloid from A. vasica leaves by preparative TLC exhibited strong AFB1 detoxification activity.

Copyright © 2013 Elsevier GmbH. All rights reserved.


KEYWORDS:

Adhatoda vasica; Aflatoxin B1; Detoxification; Medicinal plant

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

But again, just like in the thread about toxicity caused by heavy metals, and certain adjuvants in vaccines and the mounting evidence that shows the high toxicity of such heavy metals and adjuvants, you will have people who for whatever motive also want to dismiss all natural medicinal plants, including those that help detox your body.

BTW, again, just because there are scams and people trying to take advantage of natural medicine, it doesn't mean that all natural/alternative medicines are a scam...


edit on 15-12-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Dec, 15 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: Sparky63

I am sorry about what happened to your mother in law, and yes unfortunately there are scams out there trying to take advantage of people who are looking for alternative forms of medicine, but that doesn't mean they are all scams.

Like always, you should consult with your doctor, you shouldn't rely on alternative medicine only more so if you are not very familiar with it.



posted on Dec, 15 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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Of course there are also research papers like this.


J Environ Public Health. 2012;2012:356798. doi: 10.1155/2012/356798. Epub 2012 Jan 19.

Environmental determinants of chronic disease and medical approaches: recognition, avoidance, supportive therapy, and detoxification.

Sears ME1, Genuis SJ.



Author information

1Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario Research Institute, Ottawa Hospital Research Institute, Ottawa, ON, Canada K1H 8L1. megsears@ncf.ca

Abstract

The World Health Organization warns that chronic, noncommunicable diseases are rapidly becoming epidemic worldwide. Escalating rates of neurocognitive, metabolic, autoimmune and cardiovascular diseases cannot be ascribed only to genetics, lifestyle, and nutrition; early life and ongoing exposures, and bioaccumulated toxicants may also cause chronic disease. Contributors to ill health are summarized from multiple perspectives--biological effects of classes of toxicants, mechanisms of toxicity, and a synthesis of toxic contributors to major diseases. Healthcare practitioners have wide-ranging roles in addressing environmental factors in policy and public health and clinical practice. Public health initiatives include risk recognition and chemical assessment then exposure reduction, remediation, monitoring, and avoidance. The complex web of disease and environmental contributors is amenable to some straightforward clinical approaches addressing multiple toxicants. Widely applicable strategies include nutrition and supplements to counter toxic effects and to support metabolism; as well as exercise and sweating, and possibly medication to enhance excretion. Addressing environmental health and contributors to chronic disease has broad implications for society, with large potential benefits from improved health and productivity.


PMID: 22315626 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] PMCID: PMC3270432 Free PMC Article



posted on Dec, 16 2014 @ 02:53 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse


originally posted by: Pardon?

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You cannot speed up the biological processes your body performs to digest, absorb and excrete compounds greater than it's normal rate.
It really is impossible to do that.
If you can show me that it isn't please do so, I'll happily change what I know.



I really doubt that due to the fact that in a similar thread having to do with heavy metals , and toxic compounds/adjavents in vaccines you readily dismiss the dozens of peer reviewed journals of medicine, and all the doctors and specialists who disagree with you.


Oh you mean the ones you used out of context and which I explained why they were unacceptable?



originally posted by: ElectricUniverseLike some other members and I have stated already, yes unfortunately there are many scams out there trying to take advantage of people who want to use alternative medicine to help them, including helping with detoxification. But just because there are scams, it doesn't mean they are all scams like you and some others keep trying to claim.

There is actual evidence that alternative medicine does work despite claims from people like you that it doesn't.

As an example, the use of Adenocaulon himalaicum




Family Asteraceae (alt. Compositae)
Scientific name Adenocaulon himalaicum Edgeworth
Synonyms Adenocaulon adhaerescens Maximovicz; Adenocaulon bicolor Hooker; Adenocaulon bicolor Hooker var. adhaerescens (Maximovicz) Makino; Adenocaulon bicolor Hooker var. integrifolium (Nuttall) Torrey & A. Gray; Adenocaulon integrifolium Nuttall
Common name (Japanese common name) no-buki (ノブキ, 野蕗 [meaning: wild fuki (fuki = Petasites japonicus)])
(English common name) American trailplant, trailplant
Distribution (Japan) Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu, Okinawa
(Other nations) Korea, China, Himalaya (Nepal to Bhutan), USA
Habitat Mountane forest
Chromosomal number 2n=20, 38, 46, 48
Description Plants electing 60-100cm tall. Leaves 7-13cm long, 11-22cm wide, petioles 10-20cm long. Flowers involucres 2.5mm long, flowering in August to October. Fruits 6-7mm long. Perennial plants.
Reference Adenocaulon bicolor Hooker
Cyrological studies on some Eastern Himalayan plants and their related species
...

flowers.la.coocan.jp...

The above link is just to show what plant I am talking about.





Bifunctional Chemopreventive Effects of Adenocaulon himalaicum Through Induction of Detoxification Enzymes and Apoptosis

Ji Ho Yun,* Saet Byoul Lee,* Kyungsu Kang, Eun Ha Lee, Hee Ju Lee, Sang Hoon Jung, and Chu Won Nho
Author information ► Article notes ► Copyright and License information ►
Abstract.

Phase II detoxification enzymes are known to play essential roles in the detoxification and elimination of activated carcinogens during tumor initiation, while apoptosis is one of the most important chemopreventive targets for inhibiting tumor promotion in cancer. In this study, we investigated the cancer chemopreventive activity of two plant extracts, the ethanolic extract of Adenocaulon himalaicum (AHE) and the butanolic fraction of AHE (AHB). Both, the AHE and AHB induced NQO1 activity and had relatively high chemoprevention indices (CI=12.4). The AHE and AHB were associated with increased NQO1 and HO-1 mRNA levels via Nrf2-ARE pathway activation. In addition, the AHB increased CYP1A1 activity through AhR-XRE pathway activation. We also found that the AHE and AHB induced apoptosis, as evidenced by phosphatidylserine externalization, an increase in the sub-G0/G1 content, chromatin condensation, poly(ADP-ribose) polymerase cleavage, and p53 induction. These data suggest that AHE and AHB act as bifunctional inducers and that their chemopreventive effects result from the biphasic induction of phase II detoxification enzymes and apoptosis. Therefore, these results suggest that A. himalaicum plant extracts have potential for use as chemopreventive agents for the prevention and/or treatment of human cancers.

Key Words: Adenocaulon himalaicum, apoptosis, colon cancer, heme oxygenase, Nrf2, quinone reductase
...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


Look at the method they used.
Extraction, isolation, and identification of the AHE

The air-dried whole plant of A. himalaicum (1.2 kg) was extracted with 94% EtOH 4 times (4×19.0 L) under reflux for 4 h and evaporated in vacuo to yield the total extract (149.36 g). This extract was then suspended in distilled water and sequentially partitioned with n-hexane, ethyl acetate, and n-butanol. The n-butanol fraction (19.06 g) was chromatographed on a Sephadex LH-20 column and eluted using MeOH. Ten fractions (fractions 1–10) were obtained. Fraction 4 (383.3 mg) was further chromatographed over silica gel using a stepwise gradient of CH2Cl2-MeOH-Water (5:1:0.1 to 2:1:0.1) and yielded compounds 2 (1.7 mg), 3 (6.7 mg) and 5 (4.1 mg). Further purification of fraction 7 (268.6 mg) by repeated Sephadex LH-20 column chromatography with EtOH yielded compounds 1 (8.9 mg) and 4 (13.6 mg). These compounds were identified using NMR spectroscopy. The chemical structures are shown in Fig. 7A. The analytical HPLC system was equipped with an Agilent Series 1200 liquid chromatography and YMC Hydrosphere C-18 column (4.6 mm×150 mm, 3 μm, Kyoto, Japan).

Did they use the whole unadulterated plant?
No, they extracted the active compound from it.
That's how an awful lot of drugs are produced.
My and many other's definition of alternative medicine is medicine that has not or cannot be proven to work.
If it has been then it ceases to be alternative.

Are you just word-searching for detoxification by the way?



The claim you make that, and I quote:


originally posted by: Pardon?

....

You cannot speed up the biological processes your body performs to digest, absorb and excrete compounds greater than it's normal rate.



originally posted by: ElectricUniverseThat's patently false. Yes there are plants that help your body in performing better digestion and faster, and help you excrete if you have constipation.

The fact that you don't even know that there are plants that help you with this process speaks volumes when it comes to your knowledge of this particular topic.


You cited a laxative. I'll concede on the excretion part (although what I was talking about was the actual chemical excretion but still, you can have that one if it makes you feel better).
Hardly detoxification though is it.
It would be useful if you could show one that increases the biological metabolism rate of the liver and kidneys though.
They're the important ones.



posted on Dec, 16 2014 @ 02:58 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

How effective is it?

Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database rates effectiveness based on scientific evidence according to the following scale: Effective, Likely Effective, Possibly Effective, Possibly Ineffective, Likely Ineffective, Ineffective, and Insufficient Evidence to Rate.

The effectiveness ratings for BLOND PSYLLIUM are as follows:


Effective for...

•Constipation. Some evidence suggests that taking blond psyllium by mouth, alone or as a combination product, can relieve constipation and improve stool consistency.

Likely effective for...

•Lowering cholesterol in people with high cholesterol. Taking blond psyllium by mouth reduces
...

www.nlm.nih.gov...


You obviously don't seem to know that even today, to some extend many doctors still successfully use medicinal plants, instead of the synthetics favored by big pharma, to treat many health related problems.



See the definition of alternative medicine I posted above.
Also refer to what I mentioned about drugs and plants.
You're getting confused I think.



posted on Dec, 16 2014 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Another example.



Microbiol Res. 2014 Apr;169(4):294-300. doi: 10.1016/j.micres.2013.07.008. Epub 2013 Aug 6.

Detoxification of aflatoxin B1 by an aqueous extract from leaves of Adhatoda vasica Nees.

Vijayanandraj S1, Brinda R2, Kannan K1, Adhithya R1, Vinothini S1, Senthil K3, Chinta RR4, Paranidharan V1, Velazhahan R5.

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Abstract

The effectiveness of aqueous extracts of various medicinal plants in detoxification of aflatoxin B1 (AFB1) was tested in vitro by thin-layer chromatography and enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA). Among the different plant extracts, the leaf extract of Vasaka (Adhatoda vasica Nees) showed the maximum degradation of AFB1 (≥ 98%) after incubation for 24h at 37 °C. The aflatoxin detoxifying activity of the A. vasica leaf extract was significantly reduced by heating to 100 °C for 10 min or autoclaving at 121 °C for 20 min. Dialysis had no effect on aflatoxin detoxifying ability of A. vasica extract and the dialyzed extract showed similar level of detoxification of AFB1 as that of the untreated extract. A time course study of aflatoxin detoxification by A. vasica extract showed that 69% of the toxin was degraded within 6h and ≥ 95% degradation was observed after 24h of incubation. Detoxification of AFB1 by A. vasica extract was further confirmed by liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry (LC-MS) analysis. Phytochemical analysis revealed the presence of alkaloids in methanolic extract of A. vasica leaves. A partially purified alkaloid from A. vasica leaves by preparative TLC exhibited strong AFB1 detoxification activity.

Copyright © 2013 Elsevier GmbH. All rights reserved.


KEYWORDS:

Adhatoda vasica; Aflatoxin B1; Detoxification; Medicinal plant

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

But again, just like in the thread about toxicity caused by heavy metals, and certain adjuvants in vaccines and the mounting evidence that shows the high toxicity of such heavy metals and adjuvants, you will have people who for whatever motive also want to dismiss all natural medicinal plants, including those that help detox your body.

BTW, again, just because there are scams and people trying to take advantage of natural medicine, it doesn't mean that all natural/alternative medicines are a scam...


They need to add a few things to the key words...
Such as IN VITRO, EXTRACT and you need to look up what Aflatoxin B1 is.
Again, just to remind you, I think my first post described the difference between medical detoxification and detoxification scams.
Go back and read it.
And to remind you again that the "evidence" you used in the other thread was out of context and inapplicable to the argument you were using them for.



posted on Dec, 16 2014 @ 03:13 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Of course there are also research papers like this.


J Environ Public Health. 2012;2012:356798. doi: 10.1155/2012/356798. Epub 2012 Jan 19.

Environmental determinants of chronic disease and medical approaches: recognition, avoidance, supportive therapy, and detoxification.

Sears ME1, Genuis SJ.



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1Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario Research Institute, Ottawa Hospital Research Institute, Ottawa, ON, Canada K1H 8L1. megsears@ncf.ca

Abstract

The World Health Organization warns that chronic, noncommunicable diseases are rapidly becoming epidemic worldwide. Escalating rates of neurocognitive, metabolic, autoimmune and cardiovascular diseases cannot be ascribed only to genetics, lifestyle, and nutrition; early life and ongoing exposures, and bioaccumulated toxicants may also cause chronic disease. Contributors to ill health are summarized from multiple perspectives--biological effects of classes of toxicants, mechanisms of toxicity, and a synthesis of toxic contributors to major diseases. Healthcare practitioners have wide-ranging roles in addressing environmental factors in policy and public health and clinical practice. Public health initiatives include risk recognition and chemical assessment then exposure reduction, remediation, monitoring, and avoidance. The complex web of disease and environmental contributors is amenable to some straightforward clinical approaches addressing multiple toxicants. Widely applicable strategies include nutrition and supplements to counter toxic effects and to support metabolism; as well as exercise and sweating, and possibly medication to enhance excretion. Addressing environmental health and contributors to chronic disease has broad implications for society, with large potential benefits from improved health and productivity.


PMID: 22315626 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] PMCID: PMC3270432 Free PMC Article



That's NOT a research paper.
It says so in the line above the title.
It's a review article.
A review article is essentially an hypothesis or an opinion based upon the author's INTERPRETATION of research papers.
Although it may look scientific it doesn't use the scientific method and should never be used as evidence.

You need to understand what real research papers are as you're using the wrong types of information to back up your claims.



posted on Dec, 16 2014 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: Grovit
ive always figured it was a scam.
all the detox drink BS
youre gonna get a load of people coming into this thread with their personal success stories of a body cleanse with vinegar and ceyanne pepper and how broccoli cures cancer
its coming


Iodine cures cancer not broccoli although broccoli is the best suncream protection you can use


The human body is designed to fast, there are things that you can use to remove poisons like mercury out of your body mercury stays in your body for about 70 days and is highly toxic for us, selenium is the most efficient at binding to this and neutralising it.
Also most toxins are stored in fat so when you lose weight you are re-releasing these poisons back into your system where you then need to add in genuine chemicals like Iodine sulphur or borax to neutralise them.

And Yuri Nikolayev proved over a 25 year period that fasting cures 70% of scitzophrenia sufferers and you try and tell a psychologist this and they will just ignore it or mention something about starvation incredibly dangerous human beings IMO.

also this is a link to what seems to be as scientific as I have come across for a genuine liver detox and the science on how it works and why most other detoxes are questionable and probably can't work
Every time the body removes toxins from the cell, it also removes a sulphur compound that neutralizes the
toxin. Therefore, sulphur is a vital mineral in the detoxification process.

ebooks.whnlive.com...
edit on 16-12-2014 by jinni73 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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"You can't detox your body, its a myth"
LOL um guessing you never partied much eh? Why do you think they do drug tests and stuff?? Toxins most definitely stay in your body.. Durp.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: SalientSkivvy

Second paragraph in the OP.



“Let’s be clear,” says Edzard Ernst, emeritus professor of complementary medicine at Exeter University, “there are two types of detox: one is respectable and the other isn’t.” The respectable one, he says, is the medical treatment of people with life-threatening drug addictions. “The other is the word being hijacked by entrepreneurs, quacks and charlatans to sell a bogus treatment that allegedly detoxifies your body of toxins you’re supposed to have accumulated.”


.....Durp



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by: SalientSkivvy
"You can't detox your body, its a myth"
LOL um guessing you never partied much eh? Why do you think they do drug tests and stuff?? Toxins most definitely stay in your body.. Durp.


Until they're excreted naturally by your body or else you would only have to take drugs once.
Unless of course you have too much derpamine in your herpathalamus.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: SalientSkivvy

I too prefer not to read the opening post before commenting.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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Ya, ya, the kits you buy in a drug store are garbage, but to say you can't detox your body is bulls***.
What about people OD'ing on drugs or alochol??




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