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What's in a name? Mercy?

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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 01:44 PM
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As many know, Jesus wasn't called Jesus, and as few agree to, Jesus is the name of the Beast as understood thus that the Beast is the Evil Empire, in this case Rome, these days ISIL's caliphate. And the Roman name of the LORD was given as IESVS, count the Hebrew gematria of that one and you get 616, what was once written where 666 is written today. IESVS was however the name of another character, central in the Passion of the LORD, IESVS BARABBAS, or Jeshua bar Abba, "Jesus son of the Father". This character was the guy who was set free in place of the LORD.

As it turns out the real Name of the LORD was «Hosannan ben Davud», or atleast, that's what they call him when they use his name in Matthew 21:9+15 and the corresponding verses in Mark and John, which seems to be the only place in the Gospel where anyone calls Jesus by a name, and not a title, like lord or master or rabbuni and similar.

So if we are to believe the crowd waving palm branches that devastating Sunday nearly 2000 years ago---

The Name of the LORD is «Hosannan ben Davud»



Hosannan or Hoseannan would be related to Hosea which is basically a variant of Jehoshuah or for that matter Jesua or Jesus-- and Yochannan, or John or Johannes. This gives the interpretation 'JHVH is Salvation and Grace', 'God's Saving Grace'.

Proper. Good luck with that JC guy. Choose your lords wisely, they might not be who you think they are. And things don't always turn out the way you planned or thought it would.
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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

That's why you have to trust in yourself. After all, the universe is just a giant, pointless rat race, right?



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

A). What texts did you use for the Matthew translation?

B) how do you justify the use of the letter 'J'?



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: 1Providence1

Nah, I wouldn't go that far. But perhaps even further. Getting the name and identities right is crucial in anything spiritual or magic-related, a detail that could sort of change the whole picture when you glance back at it, given the new revelations. Why did the Romans name the LORD after Jesus Barabbas and not his real name Hoseannan bar Davud? Hoseannan means 'God Saving Grace' and the next thing Jesus does is to gather his troops and have the world's most famous supper?

Something tells me quite a few people have known this fact, and for a very long time, displaying it in the open, but keeping the Name of God to themselves, claiming it is but a regular term, not a proper name, and thus using it to bind and curse what might be the true descendant of Julius Caesar and the right heir to the thrones of both Roma, and since his mother, Mary the Virgo, was a descendant in a straight and prominent line to House of David, think about the implications? Hmmm..... Go figure.

I bet the priests of Rome knew this name all along, but been unable to hide it, and have used it to bind our LORD using high magic, and enslaved him in their service like you would some lesser demon?!? Vampires and zombies.



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 02:10 PM
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Nice try, but it doesn't have the same sexiness that Jesus does.

Jeeeesus!

Hoseaaaaaaaaaaaaannan!

See. Nothing sexy about that at all.

Besides, he's not likely to change his name now, what with Christmas coming and all. Can you imagine how much it would cost to change all of the monogrammed towels? JC to HbD?

This is a non starter.
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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: gorsestar
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

A). What texts did you use for the Matthew translation?


I normally use the ESV (English Standard Version, I have the 2011 edition right here on my desk). I have also checked against the Greek, which at best is odd. Obviously, the name has been sought hidden by translating it into Greek, so that it is rendered rather oddly as if it is to mean some imperative term of some sort. Translating the greek back to its proper Hebrew/Aramaic, you get 'Hosannan bar Davud' or 'Hosannan ben David'.


B) how do you justify the use of the letter 'J'?


Letter J was added to the Latin alphabet in Christian times especially to being able to render Hebrew more accurately. The letters I or Y are both vowels, while the hebrew Jod, like Lat. J, is a consonant. Hebrew has only consonants. Alef and Ajin are both gutturals, not vowels.

ETA: I should mention that the letter Jay is rendered differently in Latin and in English. In English you say /dʒ/ while in Latin you say /j/. My native language often follows Latin phonology at least for the sounds of the letters. U and O are two other such phonemes that is rendered very differently in many European languages.
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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 02:22 PM
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I think the term/phrase means [praise to the] savior/messiah [who is the] son of David. The Jews knew of the coming messiah to be a son of David.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com...


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Actually I think it may even imply Lord(Adonai) and Savior, and the name Jesus is basically the same thing -- the difference being, one title is Son of God and the other son of David/Man, but the prophesied coming of the Lord was as the son of David/son of Man (the Word made flesh.)

So it's really saying the same thing?
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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington

Jahve Hose' ha Malak ben Davud. I think that sounds pretty damn badass!



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

The study of names are a very interesting one. The name holds the truth of your calling and election. As you said, Yahoshua is Yahweh is Salvation. And Yahweh, meaning I AM.

And jou are right, the name Jesus dies not hold the meaning of Yahweh is Salvation.


Great topic!



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: IndependentAgent
And jou are right, the name Jesus dies not hold the meaning of Yahweh is Salvation.


Well, I didn't say that. I translate it 'LORD Saves', given it is a translation of Jehoshua or similar Hebrew/Aramaic name. The English word "salvation" actually means "to annoint". And they all want to be little messiahs eating kosher hog while dancing on the Good LORD's grave giving frig all to what they are supposed to. No, the sacrifice of the LORD is the best bloody thing that happened to them. They are Christians mind you, you're supposed to know that the LORD had to die for our sins and that it really worked, so «Crucify! Crucify». I bet when the bleeder returns, he is as peace'd off as he ought to be. It'll be a blast. Cheers anyway.

ETA: Gee-Zeus anyone?
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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Agreed! Greek and Hebrew are so phonologically different. When I'd compare OT verses, I noticed literal words take on nominal meanings in the LXX. Whoever the perpetrators are, they chose the perfect way to confuse us, as you said.

So how is Caesar apart of the Davidic line?
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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

But the first time His (Lord) Name was written, in Aramaic, it was Yahweh. His Son's name was Yahoshau, or Y'shua for short.

Every name has a meaning, as you said. The meaning of the name is most often linked the langauge it was first spoken in. Therefor the true meaning is in Yahweh and Yahoshua.



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: gorsestar
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Agreed! Greek and Hebrew are so phonologically different. When I'd compare OT verses, I noticed literal words take on nominal meanings in the LXX. Whoever the perpetrators are, they chose the perfect way to confuse us, as you said.


Notice how the Dragon upon realising he's too late for snatching away the Messiah, he spews water, like a flood, and then he turns the other way to shake his family and followers instead. Reading direction changes from Hebrew to Greek.


So how is Caesar apart of the Davidic line?


He isn't, well, atleast not to my knowledge. Hosé's mother Mary, the Virgo, was. And I believe Joseph, Hosé's father, was no other than Caesarion, the only son and heir to Julius Caesar. That makes the LORD a serious threat to both Rome and Judea, and for that matter the known world at the time. It does sort of make sense.

-- Like how they sought refuge in Egypt and how the first Coptic church was established even as they were there, when Hosé was merely a baby. They must have had very high hopes for this young carpenter's son. Joseph, Hosé's father, if he was Caesarion, was also the king of Egypt and son of Cleopatra no less. Kind of puts the whole grand politics in context, maybe this renegade Jewish Rabbi actually was the sole heir to all the riches of the world, after all? Not like some Christian euphemism, but as a full blown holy blood legal birthright!

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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: IndependentAgent

Aye to Hosé Jahvé

I think I'll have ale to my cake today, sir! Nice wings!
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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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You have a case for an interesting framework that fixes some patches: without any earthly legitimacy, he's left with a claim in Heaven alone. It makes me wonder why the highest Roman courts spent so much time on our political prisoner.

Maybe the Earth is much more important than most Christians believe. When they talk about eternity, they leave it out.






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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 04:47 PM
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A name is the nature and character of the thing or person named.It is the most common and significant aspect of all language.As the Bard wrote “ a rose by any other name would smell as sweet”.In other words the “language” given to name does not change it’s nature however it does pervert it and make it something else in the mind of those that believe it.

The English name “Jesus” has been reduced to an incantation pronounced as the catalyst of ‘getting” something.It is taught to Christians that prayer must be “in” Jesus name so after they “say” a prayer they close it with IN Jesus’s name.The same thing is done when a something like a curse is done (begone demon in Jesus name) and of course it is all meaningless.That is the perversion of a name that has been reduced to little more than a false magic incantation.

The disciples did not do this.When they “healed” someone they simply said it is by Yahwehs deliverance (Yahoshua) anointing (christ) that you are healed.That is doing something IN Yahoshua’s name.

What is amazing to me (but not surprising) is the majority of Christians question me for using the name Yahoshua yet most non Christians don’t.I don’t use it for any magical power of the REAL name reasons.It is mostly because that is the “name” and to distinguish it from the religious name Jesus.Incanting the word Yehoshua has no more power than word Jesus because incanting is false and meaningless.

Names are the most significant aspects of true language because they “identify” truth.A blade of grass is not a dog so they have different “names”.Misperception of “names” is the most common cause of all “communication” of language conflict confusion(babel).To “know” the name of a thing or person is to perceive the truth.The misperception of the name Jesus is legion and begins at it’s root beliefs.

The Christian belief of Jesus is completely distorted.It starts in the religious “doctrines” of men.They have given Yahoshua a new name ...Jesus and made it into “a God”…their God in “their image”.That Jesus is not Yahoshua in the least.It is a religious icon/idol.They have foisted a crown of religious doctrines on his head and put “their words” in his mouth.Everything they believe about “their Jesus” is not truth because it is leavened with lies of their religion.

The irony is Yahoshua clearly stated that fact over and over that would be the case (the formation of Christianity) and it is documented in the scriptures yet they cannot see it.He made it impossible to make a “plausible” religion” out of what he did and said yet Christianity believes they did.He clearly stated to the disciples(and they recorded it) that only the disciples would “know”(be given)Yahoshua... yet Christianity extrapolates it means THEM!They say out of one side of their mouth “my Jesus loves you” and then out of the other BUT you must “believe in him” or you will be sentenced to the eternal punishment of HELL!

Of course there are a multitude of variations of this doctrine and they all believe it is in the bible yet..it is not…it is as clear as day(but they cannot see it).The fact is …it is ALL in a name…Yahoshua…which means Yahweh(the creator God) is salvation/deliverance…….in their “religion” they believe this salvation is obtained by “belief” of their doctrine when in fact it is not a doctrine of religion at ALL(neither is ANYTHING Yahoshua said or did).It is a statement of Truth (fact)…..Yahoshua..the creator God delivers..it is IMPOSSIBLE for the creator Gods “will” to be subservient to a mans(or anything).This “fact” truth cannot be “believed it can only be “known”.

ALL religion is belief.No man can “know” the will of the creator God through belief. Yahoshua NEVER said he believed in the creator God the Father he only said he “knew” the Father.In other words Yahoshua “knew” his Fathers name because he came IN his Fathers name…Yahoshua.

Yahoshua said this “deliverance” was from Hades….the realm of death and imperception.In other words Yahoshua WILL deliver ALL of mankind(and creation) from “death”.He did not say what they details are because they are impossible to know and don’t matter because they WILL be done regadless.

The 2nd aspect of Hades is the realm of imperception which is the existence in the physical realm that is ALL based in belief ..not knowing.Even though science has made a quantum leap(literally) in knowledge it can all fall apart in a nano second with one revelation of truth.The fact is “mans” religious beliefs are false(leavened).ALL of mankind were born with a religious nature of belief.The amalgamation of all of a persons experience “forms” their belief in faith of “their” Belief System”(BS) religion.That does not mean those “experiences” aren’t true they are just all leavened by the “perception” of your BS religion.This is the “nature and character” of the realm of imperception…it is from belief to belief never “knowing” the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth…fortunately ...ALL of mankind will also be delivered from this realm.

That is the core ”essence” of the name of Yahoshua.The majority of the “evidence” of salvation has not (and cannot) be perceived. Mankind is “blinded” by the realm of the valley of the shadows of death”…the physical realm.They can only “believe” through their BS religion.That is why Yahoshua said you MUST believe.He wasn’t saying “make a choice to believe” he was stating fact(as he always did)..believing is the only thing you “can” do.

The fact is EVERYTHING is being done in the “name” of Yahoshua.The whole chaotic/perfection of creation is Yahoshua.The perception of the formation of “creation” has evidence of both complete chaos and order …simultaneously!!The fact is the creator God is “forming” everything according to “their will” not yours.Man has no "real" perception of what this Truth is .Mans perception of the universe is infinitesimal yet the creator God created it.It is the hubris of mans religious nature that “believes” it can “know” creation and the creator God through “belief”…however they can only “form” their image of a God(s) made in their image.

The name of the creator God is very appropriate…..loosely translated..”I will be what I will be”….the creator God will NEVER be known by or through religion....ANY religion.



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: gorsestar
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Maybe the Earth is much more important than most Christians believe. When they talk about eternity, they leave it out.


It is, aye. Important. The Earth is all we've got. The Earth carries the curse that was originally intended for half of Mankind, us males. While Eve was cursed and the serpent was cursed, Adam wasn't, the Earth took the force off the blow. So here we are blessed like the angels in heaven, and look how we treat the Earth! So to all you lovers out there, next time you raise your glass of wine or water (it's all blood to our lovely Angus Heptacorn anyway), give a blessing back to Gaia and pour some out on the ground in front of you, knowing you parttake in the Earth's destruction, this rare jewel suspended in the empty space, it should heal at least that particular spot for a while. Like zinc supplement for acne.



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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Plato's "Cratylus" might help; a diologue between Socrates, Hermogenes, Cratylus regarding 'namesake" falsities within and naming organisms ALL NAMING of things, (number theory is involved); as in you chose the dyslexic seeming Utnapisjtim; which, with respect is not merciful to me to have to retype much less remember (as cannot pronounce it).


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posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

And you thought my version was odd.



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: Utnapisjtim

originally posted by: gorsestar
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
Maybe the Earth is much more important than most Christians believe. When they talk about eternity, they leave it out.


It is, aye. Important. The Earth is all we've got. The Earth carries the curse that was originally intended for half of Mankind, us males. While Eve was cursed and the serpent was cursed, Adam wasn't, the Earth took the force off the blow. So here we are blessed like the angels in heaven, and look how we treat the Earth!




He put all his creative effort into this place that he promised to never destroy completely, but instead rule forever on. Then he builds us dwelling places for his spirit inside of ourselves.

Wow, are Elohim is great. Reminds me of Genesis 15:3-6




And Abram said, “Behold, you have given me no offspring, and a member of my household will be my heir.” And behold, the word of the Lord came to him: “This man shall not be your heir; your very own son shall be your heir.” And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”


He's telling him they can be like Jesus, and Lucifer. Like the Morning star, in a qualitative sense. The glorification of the believer. Hallelujah!



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