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we are quantum entangled with the entire universe
If you don't want to read the paper, then don't read it. I'm not going to summarize it for you any more than I already have by citing the summary.
originally posted by: ImaFungi
a reply to: Arbitrageur
To save me from reading that paper, can you list like the handful of 'major contextual descriptors of quanta and its behavior' that denote it as 'quantum'?
The quote I cited from Tegmark doesn't say quantum systems don't exist. It compares the relative time scales of decoherence and finds those to be over a million times shorter than needed to be relevant to claims of the brain as a quantum computer. The explanation should really be self-evident, but mbkennel elaborated in a way which sort of answered your question before you asked it:
So to be clear. Because you believe the mind does not incorporate any of those descriptors of physical behavior into its mechanisms, the mind cannot be referred to as a quantum system?
A follow up question; lets assume in the future humans will be able to create an artificial intelligence/consciousness/mind that can "think therefore it is". Do you think it is theoretically possible to incorporate quantum functions in an artificial mind? And if fundamentally, ALL THAT EXISTS IS THE QUANTUM, all existence 'larger' than the quantum, is nothing but the result of the quantum interacting in a gradient/spectrum of lesser and greater systems of stability and energy, how did nature avoid utilizing quantum functions when it created its consciousness/mind/intelligence system?
originally posted by: mbkennel
And one of the experimental results is that decoherence to classical physics in larger time and space scales is extremely robust and almost universal. Macroscopic quantum mechanical effects profoundly different from classical physics are very rare and require special preparation and usually cryogenically low temperatures. Why are there so many interesting solid state physics experiments cooled with liquid helium? Because heat destroys all sorts of complex quantum effects.
There is a current view that consciousness is something which arises from some complicated computation. So we have our computers, and people think that because they can do things amazingly fast, and they can calculate very quickly, and they can play chess extremely well, that they are superior to us even, and it is only some complicated aspect of this computational activity that somehow consciousness arises from that. Now my view is quite different from this. I think there is a lot of computational activity going on in the brain, but this is basically unconscious. So consciousness seems to me to be something quite different.
Sir Roger Penrose — The quantum nature of consciousness .
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Ever since quantum mechanics was discovered nearly a century ago, famous scientists from Eddington to Wigner to Compton to Eccles to Penrose have speculated about possible connections to the brain -- a quest often parodied as "quantum mechanics is mysterious, the brain is mysterious, ergo they must be related somehow." In this talk, I'll offer a critical survey of these ideas from the modern standpoint of quantum information theory, pointing out the huge conceptual and experimental problems that have plagued most concrete proposals. However, I'll also explain why I think some role for quantum mechanics in cognition is not yet excluded, and discuss what sorts of advances in neuroscience and physics might help settle the question.
Quantum information and the Brain
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originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Found this tidbit of information on the nature of consciousness which I thought was well presented, I like what Dr. Stuart Hameroff has to say on the subject and believe we are just at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to understanding the workings of the human brain or any brain for that matter. Counsiousness itself is a very interesting field of study:
Conscious "free will" is problematic because brain mechanisms causing consciousness are unknown, measurable brain activity correlating with conscious perception apparently occurs too late for real-time conscious response, consciousness thus being considered "epiphenomenal illusion," and determinism, i.e., our actions and the world around us seem algorithmic and inevitable.
The Penrose-Hameroff theory of "orchestrated objective reduction (Orch OR)" identifies discrete conscious moments with quantum computations in microtubules inside brain neurons, 40/s in concert with gamma synchrony EEG. Microtubules organize neuronal interiors and regulate synapses.
In Orch OR, microtubule quantum computations occur in integration phases in dendrites and cell bodies of integrate-and-fire brain neurons connected and synchronized by gap junctions, allowing entanglement of microtubules among many neurons.
Quantum computations in entangled microtubules terminate by Penrose "objective reduction (OR)," a proposal for quantum state reduction and conscious moments linked to fundamental spacetime geometry.
Each OR reduction selects microtubule states which can trigger axonal firings, and control behavior. The quantum computations are "orchestrated" by synaptic inputs and memory (thus "Orch OR").
If correct, Orch OR can account for conscious causal agency, resolving problem 1.
Regarding problem 2, Orch OR can cause temporal non-locality, sending quantum information backward in classical time, enabling conscious control of behavior. Three lines of evidence for brain backward time effects are presented.
Regarding problem 3, Penrose OR (and Orch OR) invokes non-computable influences from information embedded in spacetime geometry, potentially avoiding algorithmic determinism. In summary, Orch OR can account for real-time conscious causal agency, avoiding the need for consciousness to be seen as epiphenomenal illusion. Orch OR can rescue conscious free will.
www.quantumconsciousness.org...
This avi cut is from the movie "What the bleep do we know?!".
Everything is interconnected.
The whole Universe fundamentally, in a profound energy level is ONE
Quantum entanglement and the Power of Intention
originally posted by: stormcell
I don't think we could really understand all the tricks that evolution could have used.
There was once an experiment where hardware engineers used simulated evolution to build a new logic circuit to discriminate between two frequencies. They set up their design system to generate random logic circuits, evaluate them, sort them by performance, reject the worst 10%, and apply mutations to the best 10%. This was repeated until they were able to get the circuit to pass verification tests. Then the engineers built the real hardware logic. But the strange thing was that many of the components weren't connected together as you would expect from an engineer designed circuit. One of the problems with designing logic circuits is that "crosstalk" the electric fields generated by electrons moving along one wire, can induce signals in other adjacent wires. Avoiding this requires careful design. In the evolution designed circuits, the use of crosstalk was used heavily. Resonating magnetic fields would be generated whenever a matching frequency was detected and this would generate a signal.
originally posted by: VirusGuard
originally posted by: stormcell
I don't think we could really understand all the tricks that evolution could have used.
There was once an experiment where hardware engineers used simulated evolution to build a new logic circuit to discriminate between two frequencies. They set up their design system to generate random logic circuits, evaluate them, sort them by performance, reject the worst 10%, and apply mutations to the best 10%. This was repeated until they were able to get the circuit to pass verification tests. Then the engineers built the real hardware logic. But the strange thing was that many of the components weren't connected together as you would expect from an engineer designed circuit. One of the problems with designing logic circuits is that "crosstalk" the electric fields generated by electrons moving along one wire, can induce signals in other adjacent wires. Avoiding this requires careful design. In the evolution designed circuits, the use of crosstalk was used heavily. Resonating magnetic fields would be generated whenever a matching frequency was detected and this would generate a signal.
The same type of thing happened when they used some type of A.I program to make a robot walk and the program logic output of the program was so strange that the original programmers could not understand how it worked.
I don't think we will be at the top of the food chain for much longer because we are building our own replacment but lets call it evoloution if we are so daft as to be the designers of our own downfall
The progressive development of man is vitally dependent on invention… This is the difficult task of the inventor who is often misunderstood and unrewarded. But he finds ample compensation in the pleasing exercises of his powers and in the knowledge of being one of that exceptionally privileged class without whom the race would have long ago perished in the bitter struggle against pitiless elements. – Nikola Tesla, My Inventions
The New York Times profiled a significant technological breakthrough on Wednesday, and their commenters set immediately to demanding it be destroyed. There have been luddites fearing change and calling for stagnation for as long as there have been humans more intelligent than them trying out new things, but, call me crazy, it really seems the luddites all are getting louder.
We are just a year or two from charging our electronic devices wirelessly. The company working on the technology profiled, uBeam, has not only realized the dream of Nikola Tesla and developed a commercially-viable way to wirelessly charge electronic devices, they have also demonstrated that they can send information through sound, positioning us to develop entirely new ways of communicating with one another. The applications are surely numerous. But ignore the cool ass NYT article for a minute and look at the responses. Nick Bilton’s piece is an inadvertently perfect, terrifying study of the thing that could actually bring our modern society to its knees: dumb asses.
“These things should be banned,” writes Allen Braun. He goes on to cite high energy inefficiencies (which do not exist), as if a world without wires wouldn’t be worth the year or so it might take for technologists to tweak the problem (which is, again, not major). More importantly, why are we so obsessed with conservation of energy at all? If you live in the Western World you probably have fresh drinking water, which is increasingly something that poor people in poor countries do not have. This is not a technology problem. We know how to turn salt water into fresh water. What we lack is the energy to do it at scale. We don’t need to be conserving energy right now, we need to be using more of it. A lot more of it. And to do that, we need to develop new ways to produce a # ton of it. Hi, nuclear power. Care to dance? But oh right, the same people screaming at the top of their lungs about the horrors of global hunger refuse to allow our technologists the power it will take to build our way out of the problem.
thoughtcatalog.com...
originally posted by: VirusGuard
originally posted by: stormcell
I don't think we could really understand all the tricks that evolution could have used.
There was once an experiment where hardware engineers used simulated evolution to build a new logic circuit to discriminate between two frequencies. They set up their design system to generate random logic circuits, evaluate them, sort them by performance, reject the worst 10%, and apply mutations to the best 10%. This was repeated until they were able to get the circuit to pass verification tests. Then the engineers built the real hardware logic. But the strange thing was that many of the components weren't connected together as you would expect from an engineer designed circuit. One of the problems with designing logic circuits is that "crosstalk" the electric fields generated by electrons moving along one wire, can induce signals in other adjacent wires. Avoiding this requires careful design. In the evolution designed circuits, the use of crosstalk was used heavily. Resonating magnetic fields would be generated whenever a matching frequency was detected and this would generate a signal.
The same type of thing happened when they used some type of A.I program to make a robot walk and the program logic output of the program was so strange that the original programmers could not understand how it worked.
I don't think we will be at the top of the food chain for much longer because we are building our own replacment but lets call it evoloution if we are so daft as to be the designers of our own downfall
originally posted by: Phantom423
Here's a place where you can test your ideas - an online quantum computer which anyone can play with:
qcplayground.withgoogle.com...#/home
Quantum Computing Playground
Quantum Computing Playground is a browser-based WebGL Chrome Experiment. It features a GPU-accelerated quantum computer with a simple IDE interface, and its own scripting language with debugging and 3D quantum state visualization features. Quantum Computing Playground can efficiently simulate quantum registers up to 22 qubits, run Grover's and Shor's algorithms, and has a variety of quantum gates built into the scripting language itself.