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Genesis supports Evolution

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posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 04:51 PM
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Genesis supports evolution through God's Creation. In Genesis God Created 3 times. Verse 1, 21 and verse 27.


1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

21 And God created great whales and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind; and God saw that it was good.

27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.


There were only 3 acts of Creation in Genesis 1. Things evolved from God's Creation.

The Cro Magnon Man has always been interesting to me.


The fact is, the Cro-Magnon man was, compared to the other “anatomically modern humans” around him, practically a superman. They were skilled hunters, toolmakers and artists famous for the cave art at places such as Lascaux, Chauvet, and Altamira. They had a high cranium, a broad and upright face, and cranial capacity “about the same as modern humans” (can we say larger?), but less than that of Neanderthals. The males were as tall as 6 feet.

Cro-Magnon’s tools are described as the Aurignacian technology, characterized by bone and antler tools, such as spear tips (the first) and harpoons. They also used animal traps, and bow and arrow. They invented shafts and handles for their knives, securing their blades with bitumen, a kind of tar, as long as 40 thousand years ago. Other improvements included the invention of the atlatl, a large bone or piece of wood with a hooked groove used for adding distance and speed to spears.

They also invented more sophisticated spear points, such as those that detach after striking and cause greater damage to prey.144 The Cro-Magnon type man was also the “originator” of such abstract concepts as “time”. They marked time by lunar phases, recording them with marks on a piece of bone, antler or stone. Some of these “calendars” contained a record of as many as 24 lunations.


So the Cro Magnons appeared and knowledge began to increase.

The Bible says things evolved out of what God Created in verse 1, 21 and 27.

THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS THESE ARE SIX 24 HOUR DAYS RUNNING CONSECUTIVELY.

The six days have a spiritual meaning tied to the seventh day (Sabbath).

Just read Genesis:


9 And God said, “Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth”; and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind; and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.


The Bible doesn't say the first day and the second day occurred consecutively. Look at all of the things that occur after the second day starting with verse 9.

It doesn't tell us how long the waters under Heaven took to be gathered under one place. It doesn't tell us how long it took to bring forth grass and trees bearing fruit. In fact, this is a clear sign that Genesis isn't talking about 24 hour consecutive days. It takes time for the earth to bring forth grass and trees bearing fruit.

There's no indication in Genesis that it took 24 hours for trees bearing fruit or for grass to grow in 24 hours.

So the six days have a spiritual meaning that's tied to the Sabbath. It's not a literal meaning because it doesn't take 24 hours for fruit trees to grow. Genesis never says fruit trees grew in 24 hours.

The Bible says things evolved out of what God Created in verse 1, 21 and 27.

THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS THESE ARE SIX 24 HOUR DAYS RUNNING CONSECUTIVELY.

The six days have a spiritual meaning tied to the seventh day (Sabbath).


20 And God said, “Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.”

21 And God created great whales and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind; and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply on the earth.”


The Bible doesn't say it took 24 hours for these things to happen. It doesn't say it took 24 hours for the waters to bring forth life. It doesn't say it took 24 hours for fowl to be born and to be fruitful and multiply. The Bible explicitly tells you these things happened between these 6 days. It doesn't say a great whale or a bird took 24 hours to grow and multiply.

So Genesis and Evolution are compatible.
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posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 05:05 PM
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I still have issues with Evolution: no transitional animals, carbon dating techniques, how layers of strata are formed and the time it takes, and Genesis does not mention any of those issues. (I live where a volcano has tested and proven many concepts of dating strata as being false.)
As for Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal "man", why couldn't this be a normal version of man as in Asians, Africans, and other local adaptations?



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: Ludivocus
no transitional animals


There's loads of them.

en.wikipedia.org...


carbon dating techniques


Carbon dating isn't used to date fossils.

en.wikipedia.org...


how layers of strata are formed and the time it takes


Nothing to do with evolution but whatever.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.talkorigins.org...


Genesis does not mention any of those issues


Really? That's your issue with evolution? The fact that it contradicts your literal interpretation of Genesis?


As for Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal "man", why couldn't this be a normal version of man as in Asians, Africans, and other local adaptations?


Because they're not.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Seriously, you live in the age of unfettered access to nearly any information you care to research. Deny ignorance and do your homework before dismissing things you clearly have done no research on.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 05:16 PM
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a reply to: Ludivocus

Transitional animals is a misconception....we are all transitional animals but just to show you here is the Tiktaalik.

en.wikipedia.org...

Plus many more.

en.wikipedia.org...

(explains why transitional fossils is a misconception).

Also OP I agree God made the laws and let them ride.
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posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: neoholographic


The Bible doesn't say it took 24 hours for these things to happen. It doesn't say it took 24 hours for the waters to bring forth life. It doesn't say it took 24 hours for fowl to be born and to be fruitful and multiply. The Bible explicitly tells you these things happened between these 6 days. It doesn't say a great whale or a bird took 24 hours to grow and multiply.

So Genesis and Evolution are compatible.


And Adam was created from dust, not evolved, in a perfect Garden that had no death. By a loving and caring God who wanted relationship with His creation.

God could have guided evolution if He so chose, did He?

The evidence just is not there, to many holes.

Could God have used evolution and spontaneous creation at the same time, yes, I just dont see the evidence, so no it doesnt look like it.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: borntowatch

No the evidence for evolution is there.
The evidence of a loving God making us just isn't.
What are all the other Homids we have found eh?.

Goto the thread evolution is a farce and many have shown people the evidence...some have chosen to dismiss it without reason other than the Bible.
Heck even the OP of that thread ran away when shown the evidence.
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posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: neoholographic


The Bible doesn't say it took 24 hours for these things to happen. It doesn't say it took 24 hours for the waters to bring forth life. It doesn't say it took 24 hours for fowl to be born and to be fruitful and multiply. The Bible explicitly tells you these things happened between these 6 days. It doesn't say a great whale or a bird took 24 hours to grow and multiply.

So Genesis and Evolution are compatible.


And Adam was created from dust, not evolved, in a perfect Garden that had no death. By a loving and caring God who wanted relationship with His creation.

God could have guided evolution if He so chose, did He?

The evidence just is not there, to many holes.

Could God have used evolution and spontaneous creation at the same time, yes, I just dont see the evidence, so no it doesnt look like it.


Exactly what years did Adam live and what contemporaneous documentation can you cite that proves that he lived?



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

Your quotes about Cro-magnon were not sourced. You do realize, don't you, that you can't just copy and paste copyrighted materials? There are many problems with your post, but let's start with that.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: Ludivocus
I still have issues with Evolution: no transitional animals, carbon dating techniques, how layers of strata are formed and the time it takes, and Genesis does not mention any of those issues. (I live where a volcano has tested and proven many concepts of dating strata as being false.)
As for Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal "man", why couldn't this be a normal version of man as in Asians, Africans, and other local adaptations?


Perhaps you could start with telling us what evolution is. We could go from there. Please fill in the blank: evolution is _________.
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posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 06:20 PM
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Gods created us in THEIR image is probably the correct translation.

Yes, they walk among us. They have always been, because...we are them.

It's chilling, but our DNA is vastly their DNA mixed with primitive species.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 07:38 PM
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They were sort of trying to explain how the progression of life on earth happened in Genesis. It was meant to show people who were not that knowledgeable about things. It was never really meant to state an exact way it happened, only a guide to the process.

I don't know how it got taken so far out of perspective both by some religious people in the past and by the athiests. It was only something to use sort of as a guide. People probably were curious as to how all this formed back then. I actually don't think they did a bad job of explaining it.

If a scientist of the time tried to explain what they knew already, the people would not have understood it. They used big words back three thousand years ago too. Most people just knew the language they were using, science was not well accepted. This genesis explanation was good enough.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
They were sort of trying to explain how the progression of life on earth happened in Genesis. It was meant to show people who were not that knowledgeable about things. It was never really meant to state an exact way it happened, only a guide to the process.

I don't know how it got taken so far out of perspective both by some religious people in the past and by the athiests. It was only something to use sort of as a guide. People probably were curious as to how all this formed back then. I actually don't think they did a bad job of explaining it.

If a scientist of the time tried to explain what they knew already, the people would not have understood it. They used big words back three thousand years ago too. Most people just knew the language they were using, science was not well accepted. This genesis explanation was good enough.


How could you possibly know the intent of the original writers? The "progression of life on earth" did not occur as described in Genesis and nothing about Genesis supports evolution. Everything pops into place at the beginning of time in the form in which it exists now. It's about as close to fact as saying that humans came from the sweat under a giant's armpit but not nearly as creative.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic
I'll just say it - I don't see Genesis addressing evolution one way or the other. It ALLOWS for large spans of time in which evolution might have occurred (or not), but that's as far as one can honestly say.

It has nothing to do which one creature deriving from another otherwise.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic


THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS THESE ARE SIX 24 HOUR DAYS RUNNING CONSECUTIVELY.


The 'Achilles heel' of your theory:
"Gen 1:8...And there was evening and there was morning, a second day."
There are 6 consecutive solar days in view here.

"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth." I see this as some kind of electric big bang. It all happened in a moment. Then, some time later, after the Luciferian rebelion, "the earth became void and without form" and the stars gave no light....just like the description of the Second Advent of Christ. Sometime after that point, God restored the earth and life on it in 6 solar days. There is no macro-evolution. Life only adapts and degenerates.

Life before the flood was significantly stronger than life after the flood. That explain cromagnon, neanderthal, dinosaurs, mammoths, saber tooths, etc. The environmental change that brought the flood changed the way life adapts.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 09:13 PM
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THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS THESE ARE SIX 24 HOUR DAYS RUNNING CONSECUTIVELY.


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.




posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: Tangerine

Well, people today try to explain where we come from and make hypothesis which are often proven to be false. Look at the timeline of Modern Humans on this planet. As evidence appears this is getting pushed back farther and farther. Now I do not know how many times I have heard from reputable sources that there was no evidence of modern humans over twenty thousand, fifty thousand, or eighty thousand years ago. Many people still remember what we were taught in school in the seventies, that humans appeared about twenty thousand years ago.

So our Perception is steered by lack of evidence. Many people think inappropriately that lack of evidence is proof that something doesn't exist. Many people in the sciences also believe this. When evidence does show up they just change their tune.

Now, the story of creation in the bible was the best they had at the time that people could understand. It is better than the sweat off the armpit of a giant. Maybe we know more about this nowadays, but in essence, we know very little of how things really happened. I have evaluated a lot of the evidence and conclude that the hypothesises they have are just educated guesses formed from evidence and methods we now have. Now, these methods are actually pretty primitive in my mind, they will be laughed at in a couple hundred years. We have no way of knowing how the universe was formed from this point in space, yet science tries to explain it with a big bang theory which is just as much of a fairytale as the creation theory in Genesis.

I do not think they did a bad job of explaining creation for the technology they possessed three thousand years ago.



posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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Ok here you can have truth now

Earth is a battle groung for a bet made between two god's long ago. This is not the first time earth has been created. it is circular in a sense. Anywho the whole thing around us is modeled after the physical make up of the human body and mind. Just as our mind is seperated in two halves so is earth and we are walking around with the battle of two different worlds fighting inside us. To be a small bit more specific the symbol for peace is a cross section of the human mind and also represents a trinity in some aspects with the frontal lobes being ole mom.

Back to the creation. So this is not the first time we have been to this point and origionally everything started at page one with the long creation story but last time the battle was won by the left side of the brain and the right side was destroyed. Now understand that by them gods being high they can access earth just like we understand a cd can be accessed but obviously it is a bit more complex than that but some basics are shared.

The right side of earths brain was created fram a point of thousands of yrs ago. or for the sticklers out there lest say recreated. but face it when you are just a spirit and manage to piece your form back together from basically nothing you are creating and by that thought the origional creation billions of yrs ago was simply a recreation also and not many can phathom when the first round of creation happened and is not very relevent now because after time trravel everything sorta of became one.

So we are here coming together from two different worlds that are hidden from eachother by frequency and light. right red and blue left. the left was the winner from the last time and the red was created not long ago and they both are sandwiched together and we view the merge in the white light. At this point most of the challengers have come and gone and now everyone seems to be waiting on one to write the next chapter in history.

This whole thing is so complex that the majority of it has to remain secret because of the fraility of nature and the human condition. It could be boiled down to the fact that sex drive is the stirring the pot and knowledge heats the pot. After coming close to so much truth that makes heads fail i say just live and do not critisize all the dumb laws that half to be in place to keep you from personally exploding like a literal atom bomb. Even the drive for knowledge is just a spiritual tool that is goverened by spirits that protect you day to day. What we seek is not what we want. basically everyone is right and the battle is to just show one path in the end thereby negating all other paths that may or may not be empty at this current time



posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Tangerine

Well, people today try to explain where we come from and make hypothesis which are often proven to be false. Look at the timeline of Modern Humans on this planet. As evidence appears this is getting pushed back farther and farther. Now I do not know how many times I have heard from reputable sources that there was no evidence of modern humans over twenty thousand, fifty thousand, or eighty thousand years ago. Many people still remember what we were taught in school in the seventies, that humans appeared about twenty thousand years ago.

So our Perception is steered by lack of evidence. Many people think inappropriately that lack of evidence is proof that something doesn't exist. Many people in the sciences also believe this. When evidence does show up they just change their tune.

Now, the story of creation in the bible was the best they had at the time that people could understand. It is better than the sweat off the armpit of a giant. Maybe we know more about this nowadays, but in essence, we know very little of how things really happened. I have evaluated a lot of the evidence and conclude that the hypothesises they have are just educated guesses formed from evidence and methods we now have. Now, these methods are actually pretty primitive in my mind, they will be laughed at in a couple hundred years. We have no way of knowing how the universe was formed from this point in space, yet science tries to explain it with a big bang theory which is just as much of a fairytale as the creation theory in Genesis.

I do not think they did a bad job of explaining creation for the technology they possessed three thousand years ago.



Science responds to better evidence. Religion doesn't. When better evidence is found, science adjusts to accommodate it. Science doesn't establish theorums out of hot air. Evolution is based on hard evidence. Biblical claims that humans popped into existence like Poptarts popping out of a toaster isn't backed by an iota of testable evidence. You're right, we don't know exactly how the universe was formed, but there is evidence of a Big Bang. There is zero evidence of a creator god existing. If I receive a knock on the door and find a package and see the UPS driver pulling out of the driveway, even if I don't have absolute evidence that he was the one who left the package, I think it's a safer bet than assuming that Gandalf did it.

I still think the claim that humans came from the sweat under a giant's armpit is a fine creation story that beats any others I've heard.



posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 01:38 AM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

Your truth changes from post to post....



posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: neoholographic

When i read Genesis Chapter 1. I only read that God created one thing; the light. Because God said: Let there be light.




Verse 11.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

God never created the grass, herb yielding seed and so on. Earth did.


Verse 20.
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

In verse 20. God said; Let the waters bring forth. This means that God did not create, but the water did. The waters created the aboundantly the moving Creatures that hath life, and fowle that may fly above the Earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Verse 21 just explain what the waters created.


Verse 24.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

In verse 24 the Earth brings forth the living Creatures after his kind. God does not create, the Earth brings forth.

Verse 25 explains in more detail what the Earth brings forth.


God did not create man either. Verse 26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. God did not create man by him self. God had helpers.

Who is Gods refering to when he said: Let us make man in Our image? God can only be refering to the other living things that Earth have brought forth. Because nothing else exsits and is alive.

When God said let us make man in Our image, God must have ment man as a living creature reflecting all the other livng creature. Man is a living creature like all other living Creatures.

In verse 27 God gives us a exstra image. God gives us a image of himself. The only image God could have given us that would reflect onto him is Our mind. With Our mind we are given the authority over all living Things. And With Our mind we have taken then authority over all living Things.


Apart from that. Genesis is based on evolution. Because Earth and the waters have brought forth all living Things in steps or as in different days as God explained it to Moses. Every moment from when God said: Let there be light evolution have been taking Place.



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