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Josephus declares that the Essenes have existed "from time immemorial" and "countless generations". Philo agrees, calling the Essenes "the most ancient of all the initiates" with a "teaching perpetuated through an immense space of ages"
1. Their origin is lost in pre-history with certain ancient legends linking them with Enoch;
2. There was a major remanifestation of the Essenes by Moses at Mount Sinai.
Yahweh spoke to Moses and said, 'Speak to the Israelites and say: If a man or a woman wishes to make a vow, the Nazirite vow, to vow himself to Yahweh, he will abstain from wine and fermented liquor, he will not drink vinegar derived from one or the other, he will not drink grape juice or eat grapes, be they fresh or dried. For the duration of his vow he will eat nothing that comes from the vine, not even juice of unripe grapes or skins of grapes. As long as he is bond by his vow, no razor will touch his head; until the time for which he has vowed himself to Yahweh.
Numbers 6:1- 8
Mount Carmel had been the stronghold of the Essenes that came from a place in Galilee named Nazareth
As of today there is no evidence that a 1st century town named Nazareth ever existed, not literary, not archaeologically and not historically.
We cannot venture to assert positively that there was a city of Nazareth in Jesus’ time. (The Encyclopaedia Biblica)
originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: greyer
I read your thread with great interest. I just want to point out two things before I go any further. I know that the Nazarenes did not drink wine. Yet Jesus did drink wine. Also, the Essenes were vegetarian and Jesus did eat fish.
A lot of what Jesus spoke is, like you say, very similar if not the same as the Essenes. He certainly fits the bill apart from those two observations I pointed out.
You are right about them being based at Nazareth and all you say about Mt Carmel is true, also.
I am sure somehow Jesus was related in some way to the Essenes as was John The Baptist and some of their disciples, too. It is interesting to note that there were three main sects of Judaism during Christ's life time; Sadducees, Pharisees and Essenes. Jesus heavily criticized both the former, but He never once criticized the Essenes and their practices.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
If all these methoeds have strong spiritual implications then it is likely they will be ignored unless one has already found ways to alighn ones self to what the practices are leading too.