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If we are at War against Terror, Why Support Israel? GRAPHIC PICTURES WARNING

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posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:37 AM
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Why does the neo-con far right accuse people of supporting suicide bombers just because people can understand their desperation? There is a difference between condoning and understanding. Why are the neo-cons unable to look at an issue by placing themselves in the shoes of others?

Why is it ok for the neo-con far right to talk of their deity loving a particular country and group of people only, of the return after 2000 years of a dead man and of the world being 6000 years old. But when other people suggest that a government may have carried out atrocities in a covert fashion to forward an agenda driven by the very human and not uncommon motives involving power and greed, they are crazy?

Why?




posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by cargo
Why does the neo-con far right accuse people of supporting suicide bombers just because people can understand their desperation? There is a difference between condoning and understanding. Why are the neo-cons unable to look at an issue by placing themselves in the shoes of others?

Why is it ok for the neo-con far right to talk of their deity loving a particular country and group of people only, of the return after 2000 years of a dead man and of the world being 6000 years old. But when other people suggest that a government may have carried out atrocities in a covert fashion to forward an agenda driven by the very human and not uncommon motives involving power and greed, they are crazy?

Why?


Because while pretending to care, the majority of them are racist, greedy Zionists whose only goal is to further their own selfish interests. By attacking mideast countries, they get to kill Muslims AND get oil. To them, it's a double-bonus.

Of course, they have to have a reason to do all this, and that's where the word "Freedom" comes in.

They are knee deep in it now, though, and they will be eventually be defeated, broke, and humiliated (even more then they are now), Insha'Allah.

Allah (Subuhanu Wa T'ala) makes those who deserve failure arrogant, so as to hasten their punishment, and blind them from reality. That is the reason for their hubris, and the reason for their lack of success, Alhamdulillah.

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posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 10:10 AM
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Here are some tid bits you defenders of the zionist causes can sanctify while you flop about in denial of the obvious truth that Israel is a full blown terrorist nation, and IMO therefore an enemy of the US in our war on terror..
This is but an appetizer of information I am piecing together for this thread, but a good start on a concept which might be difficult for some of you like seekerof to grasp.

Have any of you guys that ao adamantly in defense of Israel ever read the Talmud? If not, at least try to understand the definition of the word racial hypocrisy. I may just a shiksa, schwartze, shegetsz, or a goy, but fortunately, that hasn't affected my reasoning abilities, to which I have employed a great deal of research into the Israeli Nation, and here are a few gems of recent history you might find interesting...
We Support Israel to the tune of Billions of dollars, they say threat, we bomb. How do they repay us for this?


American Free Press
Christopher Bollyn
French reports of 120 Israelis arrested or deported in the top-secret operation, part of a huge Israeli spy network operating in the United States connected with the events of Sept. 11, have aroused a great deal of “comment and controversy,” according to Guillaume Dasquie, editor of Intelligence On line, who first broke the story in the beginning of March.The French newspaper Le Monde, citing a secret U.S. government report outlining spying activities by Israelis, said:
[U.S. documents] support the theory that Israel did not give the U.S. all the information it had about the planning for the Sept. 11 attacks.A vast Israeli espionage network operating on American territory has been broken up,” it wrote. “One of their tasks was to track the al Qaeda terrorists on American territory—without informing the federal authorities....
The DEA’s security office began compiling a dossier on 125 suspicious Israeli agents in January 2001, after they began showing up at DEA field offices and the homes of federal agents peddling paintings. The DEA draft report documented the Israelis’ visits to agents’ offices or homes in Los Angeles, Phoenix, Chicago, Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami and other cities, which it said “may well be an organized intelligence-gathering activity.”The Israeli network seemed to hold lists of names, Le Monde said. “Its members knew at which office or which private residence to go. The objective was apparently to make contact, even for a short time.”
Last spring, the FBI sent a warning to other federal agencies to watch for visitors calling themselves “Israeli art students” and attempting to bypass security at federal buildings. The Israelis told investigators they were students from Bezalel Academy of Art and Design. But Pnina Calpen, spokeswoman for the Israeli school, told AP that no one named in the report has been a student there in the last 10 years.The DEA report said many of the “art students” had served in intelligence or electronic signal intercept units in the Israeli army....
The addresses of Israeli agents mentioned in the report are very close to former, known residences of the terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Well that's one group of grateful Israeli Nationals, here's another...


www.la.indymedia.org...
We spoke earlier about the five celebrating Israeli "movers", (Mossad agents), who were arrested and placed in solitary confinement for weeks after they were spotted in a white van suspected of attempting to blow up the George Washington Bridge. We also reviewed how the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems - Dominick Suter - then suddenly abandoned his “moving company” and fled for Israel on 9-14. But there were still more Israeli "movers" and other Israelis whose actions raise serious suspicions. Even more suspicious is how they are always quietly released and deported.In October of 2001, three more Israeli "movers" were stopped in Plymouth, PA because of their suspicious behavior. These "movers" were seen dumping furniture near a restaurant dumpster! When the restaurant manager approached the driver, a "Middle Eastern" man later identified as Moshe Elmakias fled the scene. The manager made note of the truck's sign which read "Moving Systems Incorporated" and called the police. When the police spotted the truck, two other Israelis - Ayelet Reisler and Ron Katar began acting suspiciously. The Plymouth police searched the truck and found a video. The Israelis were taken into custody and the video tape was played at the police station. The video revealed footage of Chicago with zoomed in shots of the Sears Tower. The police quickly alerted the FBI and it was also discovered that the Israelis had falsified travel logs and phony paperwork on them. (1) They were also unable to provide a name and telephone number for the customer that they claimed to have been working for. These Israelis were up to some sort of dirty business, and you can be sure it had nothing to do with moving furniture. These Israeli spies may have had a dark sense of humor. The name of their “moving company” actually contained the word MOSSAD embedded inside. Moving Systems Incorporated… MOving SyStems IncorporAteD …….MOSSAD

Mexico has aided Israel as well, apparently there, Israel is equally greatful...


www.whatreallyhappened.com...
On October 10, 2001, CNN made a brief mention of a foiled terrorist bomb plot in the Mexican Parliament building. They promised to bring any further developments of this story to their viewers, but the incident was never heard of again in America. But the story appeared in bold .lines on the front page of the major Mexican newspapers (2) and was also posted on the official website of the Mexican Justice Department. (3) Two terror suspects were apprehended in the Mexican Chamber of Deputies. Caught red-handed, they had in their possession a high powered gun, nine hand grenades, and C-4 plastic explosives (great stuff for demolishing buildings!) Within days, this blockbuster story not only disappeared from the Mexican press, but the Israelis were quietly released and deported! The two terrorists were Salvador Gerson Sunke and Sar ben Zui. Can you guess what their ethnicity was? Sunke was a Mexican jew and Zui was a colonel with the Israeli special forces (MOSSAD).

And more form the same source...


In November of 2001, 6 more suspicious Israelis were detained in an unspecified mid-eastern state. They had in their possession box cutters, oil pipeline plans, and nuclear power plant plans. (6) The local police called in the Feds and Immigration officials took over the scene and released the men without calling the FBI. The Jerusalem Post, the Miami Herald, (7) and the Times of London (8) all carried this amazing story and all revealed how furious FBI officials were that these terror suspects with nuclear power plant plans were allowed to go free.

Need more information?


In December, 2001, the Los Angeles Times published the story of how two jewish terrorists were arrested by the FBI for plotting to blow up the office of US Congressman of Arab descent - Darrell Issa (R-CA), and a California mosque. (9) Irv Rubin and Earl Kruger of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) were charged with conspiracy to destroy a building by means of explosives. This story got brief national coverage but quickly disappeared too....

In May of 2002, yet another moving van was pulled over in Oak Harbor, Washington near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. Fox News reported that the van was pulled over for speeding shortly after midnight. The passengers told the police they were delivering furniture, but because it was so late at night, the police weren't buying the story. A bomb sniffing dog was brought in and the dog detected the presence of TNT and RDX plastic explosives in the truck (great stuff for demolishing buildings!) Both Fox News (10) and the Ha'aretz newspaper of Israel (11) reported that the two "movers" were Israelis....

In December, 2002, Ariel Sharon made the amazing claim that Al-Qaeda agents were operating inside of Israel. But when Palestinian authorities apprehended the suspects, they turned out to be Palestinian traitors impersonating Al-qaeda agents for the MOSSAD! From the Sydney Morning Herald of Austrailia:“Palestinian security forces have arrested a group of Palestinians for collaborating with Israel and posing as operatives of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network, a senior official said yesterday. ..The arrests come two days after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon charged al-Qaeda militants were operating in Gaza and in Lebanon.It was considered a surprise because the Gaza Strip is virtually sealed off by Israeli troops. The hardline Israeli leader also charged other members of the terror group were cooperating with Lebanon's Shi'ite militia Hizbollah” (12)

According to FOX news, throughout late 2000 and 2001, a total of 200 Israeli spies were arrested. (13) It was the largest spy ring to ever be uncovered in the history of the United States. The Washington Post also reported that some of these Israelis were arrested in connection with the 9-11 investigation. (14) US. Carl Cameron of FOX News Channel did a excellent four part, nationally televised, series of investigations into this blockbuster scandal. But FOX pulled the investigative series after Zionist groups complained to FOX executives. FOX even went so far as to remove the written transcripts of the series from its website! In it’s place was posted a chilling, Orwellian message which reads: "This story no longer exists."...
Still another US official informed FOX that some of the detained Israelis actually had links to 9-11, but he refused to describe the nature of those links. The FBI official told FOX's Carl Cameron:"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about the evidence that has been gathered. It is classified information." (16) (emphasis added)...

"Investigators within the DEA, INS, and FBI have all told FOX News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying is considered career suicide." (20) (emphasis added) Did you catch that? If a Federal investigator dares to "even suggest" Israeli spying, he has committed "career suicide"! And if a journalist like FOX's Cameron dares to bring this scandal to light, he is told to shut his mouth. If they persist, they may even be called "anti-Semitic" - a label which has served as the kiss of death for many a career. This means that Zionist Mafia can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and however it wants ...

Now do you remember the Mossad's "warning" about the 200 "Al-Qaeda terrorists" said to have been preparing major attacks in the US? (21) At the time of this writing, we are one year into the largest investigation in American history, and not one of these 200 "terrorists" has yet to be uncovered. (22) But 200 Israeli spies were uncovered, among them many military members, electronics experts, wiretapping and phone tapping specialists, and explosives experts with the skill to bring down tall buildings.


Remember the American bombing of Lybia?


www.whatreallyhappened.com...
According to Victor Ostrovsky, a defector from Israel's secret service, Mossad, Israel decided to mount a false flag operation designed to further discredit Libya, and provoke the US to attack an Arab nation. A transmitter loaded with pre-recorded messages was planted in Tripoli, Libya, by a Mossad team.The `Trojan Horse' beamed out fake messages about Libyan-authorized bombings and planned attacks that were immediately intercepted by US electronic monitoring. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.

Iraq was an imminent threat to the world? They had massive stockpiles of WMD's ready to attack America?!?! Reality check here, Iraq wasn't a threat to anyone but Israel and the Oil Industry, but where did we get such a ridiculous notion?


www.Aljazeera.com...
Israeli intelligence created the threat posed by Saddam Hussein and his claimed weapons of mass destruction, an Israeli think-tank has suggested. Israeli intelligence helped the U.S. and British services in painting a ‘false’ picture, said the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University. The country's secret services could lose their credibility over the Iraqi issue, Israeli politicians have warned. "Israeli intelligence was a full partner with the U.S. and Britain in developing a false picture of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction capability," said the author of the report, retired Brigadier General Shlomo Brom. "It badly overestimated the Iraqi threat to Israel and reinforced the American and British belief that the weapons existed."

Don't try to report Israeli Atrocities, it will cost you your job, or worse...


www.PropagandaMatrix.com
In Rome, Italy, in 2000, Italian police broke up a ring of eleven top Jewish gangsters. It was discovered that they had been kidnapping Gentile (non-Jewish) children between the ages of two and five from orphanages, raping them, and then murdering the children. These despicable crimes were recorded live on film and sold throughout the infamous global "snuff film" industry. Over 1,700 customers had paid as much as $20,000 per film to view little children being raped and murdered.Both the Associated Press and Reuters agencies reported this heinous crime on September 27, 2000 (Also see The Rome Observer, October 1, 2000). But few U.S. newspapers and none of America's TV news networks carried this shocking news story. Why? When Italian TV broadcast scenes of the arrests of the snuff film perverts at prime time to more than eleven million viewers, Jewish officials went berserk. Claiming "blood libel," they demanded that the Jewish elite who sat on the board of directors of the Italian TV network punish those responsible for allowing this news to surface. It was done. The TV executives were fired....
When questioned about his earlier role in the genocidal massacre by Israeli defense forces of thousands of unarmed Egyptian POWs during the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin snapped, "I'm not going to discuss that. That's ancient history."


More to come...



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 11:50 AM
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Sh*t its a lost cause . I believe there should be a Jewish home land in Isreal, but is it really worth the endless blood shed ?I think not.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 04:59 PM
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as posted by twitchy
This is but an appetizer of information I am piecing together for this thread, but a good start on a concept which might be difficult for some of you like seekerof to grasp.


Dude, I "grasp" far more than you care to read or listen to. You can continue to pump from pro-Palestinian sites, etc., but I have seen them, read them, and disagree with most of them. how's that for "grasping"?
Just to illustrate further my point, what did Mr. Abbas say just today, concerning 'suicide' attacks and armed conflict with Israel, huh? Seems to me that he has "grasped" what I have been saying all along: that suicide attacks, etc. do not and will not aid the people of palestine in their cause against the "occupation" nor in gaining a nation-state.

Now you keep pumping that anti-Zionist crap if you want, matters little to me and certainly doesn't increase the nearness of a Palestinian state or change the "occupation". I'm almost wondering if you really understand what Zionism really is.....btw, when did Zionism begin, how far back does 'Zionism' go, just to test your knowledge?




seekerof



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 06:32 PM
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Christ all mighty, what does it matter, neither of you can do a damn thing about either side but spew rhetoric anyway. after 10 pages its obvious you must all be incredibly passionate about your beliefs, so what are any of you going to do? go fight for your side? i think not. there has been no new insight or enlightenment about the issue so far, just bickering leading nowhere. Im beginning to wonder if you folk hate each other as much as the palestinians and israelis. This is the first thread on ATS ive seen that seems entirely propaganda of both sides, i fail to see how thats denying ignorance. We've all read reams of info about the conflict and come to the conclusion they hate each other and will both fight indefinatly, slowly drawing others into the fray.

I also realise some of you are moderators, is this why such a stalemate thread continues? It seems to be heating relations between members and little else. Each time i look at this thread hoping for new voice, a voice of reason perhaps, its just more tit for tat. Im dissappointed.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 06:49 PM
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Don't be disappointed.
Please, feel free to imput your constructive comments to this subject matter.




seekerof



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 09:42 AM
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Seeker:

Seventy-five per cent of Palestinians support the suicide bombing at an Israeli restaurant two weeks ago in which 21 people, including four children, were killed, a Palestinian survey showed Sunday


From your link, which you apparently didn't bother to read.


Seventy-five per cent of Palestinians support the suicide bombing at an Israeli restaurant two weeks ago in which 21 people, including four children, were killed, a Palestinian survey showed Sunday.


The survey by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, which questioned 1,318 respondents in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, also showed that 85 per cent of Palestinians support a "mutual cessation of violence by both sides."


Er, yeah, a survey of 1300 Palestinians asked about one certain incidents means that this is an accurate reflection of EVERY Palestinian's view on EVERY suicide attack. Notice the 85 percent who support "mutual cessation of violence by both sides". I guess you didn't include that because it doesn't make Palestinians look like the crazy Arab killbots you try to convince others they are.


Ayoub Mustafa, one of the pollsters, told Reuters the number may have been artificially high because respondents were not told in the question that all the 21 dead were civilians.


Again, you fail to mention that the pollsters think the numbers may be abnormally high because of the question.


Just over 89 per cent of Palestinians surveyed backed attacks against Jewish settlers living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, land occupied by Israel which Palestinians want for a state. A similar number supported attacks against Israeli soldiers.


"SETTLERS" not just civilians.

another of your links:

www.factsofisrael.com...


Tunisian columnist admits that Palestinians refused State and chose terror


He is talking about Palestinian LEADERSHIP not Palestinian civilians. Read your articles before you post them as proff of your erroneous assumptions.

From your netanyahu.org link


For many Israelis and Westerners, the strangest aspect of the phenomenon is the televised interview with a bomber's parents after a massacre. These people have just been told that their child has killed himself and others, and yet they seem happy, proud, and—should the opportunity present itself—ready to send another child off to the afterlife. There are two ways to look at this: One, the parents feel so wronged and humiliated by the Israelis that they would rather sacrifice their children than continue passively to endure. Two, the cult of suicide bombing has infected the broader culture to the point where large parts of society, including the bombers' parents, are addicted to the adrenaline rush of vengeance and murder. Both explanations may be true.


Hmmm. I strongly doubt that the parents of a dead son or daughter are "addicted to the adrenalin rush of vengeance and murder". I'll opt for number one.

The Israeli government is a terrorist, racist organization, and the IDF is their murderous tool in subjugating and humiliating an entire nation of people.

If Israel wants to stop suicide bombs, either get the heck out of the West Bank and Gaza or give the Palestinian militants more accurate weapons.

That's the bottom line. My viewpoint (which is shared by FAR more people in the world than yours) is the one that is proven to be true every single day in the illegally Occupied Territories.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 09:48 AM
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... I hate Israel, Israelis and their their stupidly arrogant claim to land that was NEVER theirs to begin with. They have broken more UN resolutions and accords than 10 lifetimes of Saddam Hussein yet they go unchecked and unfettered about their business... terrorizing the Palestinians. And what's worse, we stupid Americans continue to finance this! STUPID!



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Don't be disappointed.
Please, feel free to imput your constructive comments to this subject matter.




seekerof


There are no constructive comments to make on an issue that attracts hate like a magnet. Anything I say will be immediatly labeled in the minds of you folk, either as for or against either side, and I become hated for expressing those veiws. I have stated my feelings on the matter already, without response because my comments were not supporting the unshakable veiws of either side, but were outside the boundries of this "cowboys and indians" mentality. I have no wish to "represent" either side as i believe both sides are misguided and unconstructive.
This issue is seen as so black and white that any veiw not totally supporting one side will immediatly consider pro the other. its a "if your not with us your against us" mentality.



posted on Mar, 14 2005 @ 01:07 PM
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If Israel is such a close ally to the US, then why are they spying on us. Why are over 90% of our telecommunications run through the Israeli Based company Amdocs? With the billions and billions of dollars we invest in that country, here's what we are paying for...


www.rense.com...
In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the FBI reportedly stumbled on an espionage ring that had penetrated the wiretapping system of U.S. law enforcement. Fox News Channel reported that the FBI was holding nearly 100 Israeli citizens with direct ties to foreign military, criminal and intelligence services.
In a follow-up to these reports, the FBI did not deny that such actions had been taken. However, FBI spokesman Paul Bresson would not answer specific questions on the reported espionage.

If the ADL is only interested in protecting the rights of the Jewish Citizenry, why are they spying on people?


washington-report.org...
a private investigator for the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Roy Bullock, had illegally collected confidential information on more than 500 organizations and 12,000 individuals. The two men had shared the information with the government of South Africa and possibly with police departments in other parts of the country. Because of ADL's close relationship with Israel, and the fact that Gerard took part in an ADL-sponsored tour of that country, there is concern among Arab Americans that Gerard and Bullock may also have given some of the information to the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad.

Every phone call you make, goes through Israeli filters...


One of these companies is Amdocs, which provides billing and directory assistance for 90% of the phone companies in the USA. Amdocs' main computer center for billing is actually in Israel and allows those with access to do what intelligence agencies call "traffic analysis"; a picture of someone's activities based on a pattern of who they are calling and when. Another Israeli telecom company is Comverse Infosys, which subcontracts the installation of the automatic tapping equipment now built into every phone system in America. Comverse maintains its own connections to all this phone tapping equipment, insisting that it is for maintenance purposes only. However, Converse has been named as the most likely source for leaked information regarding telephone calls by law enforcement that derailed several investigations into not only espionage, but drug running as well. Yet another Israeli telecom company is Odigo, which provides the core message passing system for all the "Instant Message" services. Two hours before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, Odigo employees received a warning. Odigo has an office 2 blocks from the former location of the World Trade Towers.

The Israeli spy ring, under the guise of 'art students' here in the US took a particular interest in the DEA.


www.billstclair.com...
April 19, 2000: USA Today states that "Israeli crime groups ... dominate distribution" of Ecstasy. [USA Today, 4/19/00] The DEA also states that most of the Ecstasy sold in the US is "controlled by organized crime figures in Western Europe, Russia and Israel." [UPI, 10/25/01] According to DEA documents, the Israeli "art student" spy ring" has been linked to several ongoing DEA [Ecstasy] investigations in Florida, California, Texas and New York now being closely coordinated by DEA .quarters." [Insight, 3/11/02] In addition to 9/11 connections explored later, was this spy ring meant to obstruct DEA prosecution of Israeli organized crime?
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March 23, 2001: The Office of National Drug Control Policy issues a National Security Alert describing "apparent attempts by Israeli nationals to learn about government personnel and office layouts." This later comes to light through a leaked Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) document called "Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities." A crackdown ensues and by June around 120 Israelis are apprehended. More are apprehended later. [Read the document here: DEA report, 6/01]

A copy of the DEA's report can be found here...
www.billstclair.com...
Mossad also took a particular interest in the Alaskan pipelines and a nuclear facility in FL, adn the Sears Tower.


www.billstclair.com...
September 29-30, 2001: Police in the Midwest stop six men carrying suspicious documents. They possess photos and descriptions of a nuclear power plant in Florida and the Trans-Alaska pipeline, and also have "box cutters and other equipment." All six have Israeli passports. They are let released the same day after their passports are shown to be valid, but before anyone interviews them. The FBI is reportedly furious about their release. [Miami Herald, 10/3/01, Knight Ridder, 10/31/01, London Times, 11/2/01] The six men may have been Mossad agents....
October 16, 2001 (C): Two men, Moshe Elmakias and Ron Katar, are arrested after being found with a detailed video of the Sears Tower in Chicago. In addition, a woman named Ayelet Reisler is found with them, carrying conflicting identification information. They are arrested for illegal dumping, using a van with the name Moving Systems Incorporated. The video contains extensive zoom in shots of the Sears Tower; it is not known when the video was filmed. [Philadelphia Mercury, 10/18/01] Given the moving van cover (see September 11, 2001 (W) and [DEA report, 6/01]), and the Jewish names, it is likely these three are part of the Israeli spy ring.

The Fox news series on the Israeli Spy ring here in the US only lasted for three days before the ADL, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs and other agencies had it removed.
Another story that quickly vanished from Fox News...


May 7, 2002: In the middle of the night a moving truck is pulled over for speeding in Oak Harbor, Washington, near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. The base is the home of the advanced electronic warfare Prowler jets. A bomb-sniffing dog detects explosives on one of the men and inside the truck. High-tech equipment is then later used to confirm the presence of TNT on the gearshift and RDX plastic explosive on the steering wheel. Both men turn out to be Israeli (one with an altered passport), and in the country illegally.

Here's some mroe information on the Israeli "Art Students"...
www.atlanta.creativeloafing.com...

Even Rumsfled is not above Mossad...


www.cbsnews.com...
CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. 60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran.

Israel is selling the information they took from the US to China and Russia...


www.cecaust.com.au.../jewish&id=p3/article23.htm
EIR Executive Alert Service informed its subscribers that the U.S. government was probing a massive Israeli espionage apparatus inside the United States, made up of Israeli military and intelligence specialists, linked to the Israeli mafia, and to current Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Sharon, along with ex-Mossad operator Rafi Eytan, had run the Jonathan Jay Pollard spy ring in the early 1980s, which stole enormous amounts of U.S. military secrets, and passed some of those secrets on to the Soviet KGB and Chinese intelligence.

Israeli Drug operations?
www.google.com...


www.siener.co.za...
www.geocities.com...
www.the7thfire.com...
newscompass.blogspot.com...
www.nowarforisrael.com...
utah.indymedia.org...
www.americanfreepress.net...

All of this considering the following statement...
"Israel does not spy on the United States of America."
- Mark Regev, a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington



posted on Mar, 14 2005 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
ANYTHING Israel does is justified.


What a joke! That mentality will just perpetuate the violence in the region. Was the above statement made in jest...or out of complete ignorance? I surely hope it wasn't the latter. Do you also believe ANYTHING the US does is justified as well? Thanks for the laugh, sicko.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 01:18 AM
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Just in the news again today, yet another case of Israeli Espionage.


seattletimes.nwsource.com...
Two Ex-Lobbyists for a Key Pro-Israel Group Indicted in Spy Probe
By Mark Sherman
The Associated Press

Friday 05 August 2005

Washington - Two former employees of a pro-Israel lobbying group were charged yesterday with conspiring to obtain and disclose classified US defense information.

A five-count indictment unsealed in US District Court in Alexandria, Va., named Steven Rosen, formerly the director of foreign-policy issues for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and Keith Weissman, the group's former senior Iran analyst.

The charges follow the indictment in June of Pentagon analyst Lawrence Franklin, accused of leaking classified military information to an Israeli official and the AIPAC employees.

The FBI investigation that led to yesterday's charges has been closely followed in Washington, where AIPAC is an influential interest group. The case also has served as a reminder of a tense time in US-Israeli relations: the 1985 scandal in which civilian Navy analyst Jonathan Pollard was caught spying for Israel.


Billions upon Billions of dollars are poured into Israel, right out of the Tax Payers pockets, yet we are literally innundated with Israeli Spies and Mossad Agents who are notorious for terrorist and faux terror operations around the world. Maybe we need to stop financing their freaking Intelligence Agencies if we don't want them spying on us eh?



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by Justice Fighter
And I thought that the Islamo Fanatics are idiots.
Seems that you have just passed them in the idiots ratio!

You are nothing more than stupid leftists, terror supporters, worser than the terrorists themselvs.
All of your "conspirations" about Zionism, the USA, Mossad, CIA, Bin Laden, together with your trust to Islamo-fanatic propoganda only show about your super low intelligence!

"War on Terrorism" for you is "War on Terror Fighters".

This shows that Bin Laden and his Islamo fanatics succeeded in their brain washing.
Thaks god that there are poeple in USA, Israel, UK and Australia and in other countries that are not that stupid.

I wish that soon you will be all attacked by the islamo fanatics and then I would like to see how you cry for our help.

You have just broken the world record for ignorance/ stupidness (choose the correct answer).

May you reach to hell together with the terrorists that you support.

Amen!


Well i for one don't believe in heaven nor hell , so ....
So you wish that i'dd be attacked by terrorists ?

This is a dumb as posts can get..... Did you even read what you posted ?

I hate to do this but i have news for you: You Sir, are a (religious) FANATIC!

yu wish me a painfull death and a trip to hell, is this all coming from your christian belief of "love thy neighbour"or "turn the other cheeck" ? LOL

People with extreme views tend to loose the bigger view, where the truth lies. Nothing in the world is as black/white as you seem to think it is. try to see the greys inbetween and be amazed !

And unlike you at least i know how to spell in English (altho it's my 4th language)..



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 09:30 AM
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I could be wrong, but from my history classes, the Palestinians were never "kicked out" of israel. They voluntarily left because they thought their arab allies were going to "drive the israelis into the ocean". When the Jews went and kicked some arab ass, none of the Palestinians so called "Arab Allies" were willing to take them in as refugees and grant them citizenship. I remember this because during high school I had a class where each of us had to follow a country throughout the entire year and bring weekly assessments of what they were doing, and I had saudi arabia. They and the other muslim countries in the area did a lot of bitching about what the Israelis were doing to the Palestinians, but none of them actually tried offering a hand and the Palestinians out.

Gotta love Arab hypocrasy.



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 09:35 AM
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This is long over-due but...



You have voted twitchy for the Way Above Top Secret award.





posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 09:54 AM
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Jakomo
Check this:
If we are at War against Terror, Why Support Israel?
For the same reason that 'we' support the creation of a Palestinian state.







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