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If we are at War against Terror, Why Support Israel? GRAPHIC PICTURES WARNING

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 02:22 PM
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DrHoracid,
There is a distinct difference in the use of the word "terrorism".....the difference is who or what is targeted.
Military/militia verses innocent civilains.




seekerof

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 02:30 PM
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The earth isn't going to swallow up evil. Jesus is going to return an take care of that. He isn't returning to say "oh never mind" he is going to save whats left worht saving. Being "chosen" doesn't exempt you from his wrath. God "hates" liars = lawyers = liberals = well you get the point.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 02:42 PM
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Close Billbob

The earth isn't going to swallow up evil. Jesus is going to return an take care of that. He isn't returning to say "oh never mind" he is going to save whats left worht saving. Being "chosen" doesn't exempt you from his wrath. God "hates" liars = lawyers = liberals = well you get the point.


You can sit there and listen to this "Millenarianism" crap for the rest of your life, waiting for the "1000 year reign of Christ" and acolypse now --somethign which has been awaited for since the "supposed" death of Jesus; something which will never occur.

But, somethign tells me that many of these kooks in office do share these views aswell.

Deep

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 02:52 PM
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The millenium thing and rapture as currently defined by those sunday pagans aren't in my beliefs. I do believe Christ will return soon to stop us from killing each other. He will return to the mount of Olives and the world powers (perhaps W) will attack him. We will find out in the next 8 years. hence my sig............



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:09 PM
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seekerof:

Jakomo, you and I have been round-in-round on this issue and it seems that neither of us has moved from our positions, because for me, IMHO, till the Palestinian's cease with the suicide runs, cease outright targeting of innocents in those suicide runs, till the Palestinian's get control on/of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, ETC., and end the great cliche' of the total annihilation and destruction of Israel, they will continue to suffer from the responses of Israel, "occupation" not withstanding.


That makes NO SENSE. You are going to PUNISH the entire Palestinian people and entire culture because of the actions of the few.

You suggest that the collective punishment of millions of palestinians because of a FRINGE ELEMENT of their soceity is right and just? Let's be logical here, that is insanity and will never work.

Go back over what you wrote and add "Palestinian terrorist factions" instead of "Palestinians". Not all Palestinians are terrorists, do you understand that concept?


I am not belittling you here, for as hard as it may seem for you to concieve, I do respect your opinion, though I do give you a hard time over it. I question why you are so outspoken for the "rights and statehood" of Palestine and yet, I have never heard you once be outspoken for the "rights and statehood" of those Tibetian's who are still "occupied" by China today. Interesting.


Nobody asked me about Tibet, but funny you should ask. I was just at a Candlelight Vigil on Friday night here (from 6-8pm) to protest the possible execution of a Tibetan monk named Tenzen Delek Rinpoche, who was supposed to be executed by China on December 2nd.

So far so good, he appears to be still alive.

I am a member of the CTC (Canada Tibet Committee) up here in Montreal and I've protested, I've written articles, I've contributed and I've given what time and effort I can to make people aware of the plight of Tibetans.

Thanks for asking.

www.tibet.ca

or check out www.studentsforafreetibet.org

There's a picture of the vigil in Montreal on the front page, I'm far to the left.


So, seeing as how I AM active in other places where people's human rights are stomped on and trampled, do you have any other "non-belittling" comments to make?

jako



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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as quoted by Jakomo
the actions of the few.


A few? Seems to me that I remember reading articles stating that those actions of a few are supported by nearly 80% of the populance. I mean gee Jakomo, how do they recruit for such acts like they do....it ain't all money...its support, as well.



seekerof



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:23 PM
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seekerof:

A few? Seems to me that I remember reading articles stating that those actions of a few are supported by nearly 80% of the populance. I mean gee Jakomo, how do they recruit for such acts like they do....it ain't all money...its support, as well.


Wow, IQ minimum for Mods anyone?

POST the articles you reference where it says "80% of Palestinians support suicide bombers used against Israeli citizens".

I mean gee Seeker, if someone says they believe that a suicide bomber is right to do what he does, does that mean that they are willing to strap a bomb on themselves and do it as well? Does that mean that they deserve to die for alluding to a threat to the almighty Israel.

What a great stinking load of racist, pro-Zionist kosher baloney.

What it boils down to is the collective punishment of MILLIONS of people, packed into the most densely populated area in the WORLD, and policed by the world's 5th largest military, which doesn't allow news media into the "Occupied territories", and accidentally kills international aid workers every month. All this because of a FRINGE element of Palestinians that perform haphazard suicide strikes against civilian and military targets every few weeks or months.



You know that is? David and Goliath. Except in this story Goliath is Israel, and Goliath is a damn coward.



jako


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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:24 PM
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A few ways to look at his:
1) Count the nuclear warheads Israel has and ask yourself If they really wanted to murder those poor, poor muslims (many of whom come from the richest nations on the planet but can't get a grip on their own government)
why would they bother rolling in the mud fighting with the same weapons as the enemy. Oh they ignore rullings of the UN. Count the muslim nations that head commities in the UN. Oh yeah, if the US people were told to follow a UN rule it would be "NEW WORLD ORDER"!
2) Even Jordan gave the Palastenians the boot. No one wants the ungreatful parasites!
3) You make a list of contributions Isreal and Judism has made to Civilization. Then look at the blank sheet of paper for the Palastenians list.
4) US money was given to Arafat too. Out of $600 million in one payment $400 million was used to buy a boat load of munitians and run it through underground tunnels in GAZA.
5) Take out a US dollar bill and look at the back. Over the eagles head is an emblem GEORGE WASHIGTON had placed there - "LEST WE FORGET WHO MADE THIS NATION POSSIBLE" The jewish people dug deep to make the US happen and they paid with an awful lot of blood under her flag. Now where the hell were the Muslims during the Revolution?
This is one American with no apology for backing Israel. I'll back her like my own country the rest of you really need to check the time limit on your passports.
6) Typical Arafat strategy start a war get your tail beat and wine and cry about the other guy drawing blood. War is hell if you don't like it, don't start it. Or as we say in the south, don't let your bull dog mouth overload your peakineese ass. Too bad there isn't a Muslim county that can stand the "Palastenians".




posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:25 PM
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A few? Seems to me that I remember reading articles stating that those actions of a few are supported by nearly 80% of the populance. I mean gee Jakomo, how do they recruit for such acts like they do....it ain't all money...its support, as well.



How much of that population has been expelled from thier lands? How much of that population lives in poverty, and has had thier farm lands (revenues) taken by Israel?

It's funny, I remember a good number of Americans supporting an illegal war against Iraq and still believing that he had ties with Al-Queda and a connection with 9/11; why is that? When it was made clear that he did not. How much propaganda does your own government spew everyday?

Deep



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 04:54 PM
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Gee! How easy it seems to be for some of you defenders of the Palestinians to judge what the Israeli's do without having a clue what it must be like to not know when you get on a bus, walk down a street, go in a shop - in other words try and live day to day - without fear of some terrorist act. Could we have that here in the U.S. without everything unravelling? I doubt it.

Somehow, to the Palestininan apologists and appeasers it's all just great.

BTW, there never has been a country of Palestine. "Palestinians" are simply Arabs that happen to live in the area. The idea that they are a "nation" is something that was made up fairly recently.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:19 PM
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There was never a notion of a Israeli 'nation', this is religious dogma; the Torah, by no means, is a histographical and historical depiction of the history of the 'Jewish' people. According the original 1947 partition, both parties were granted statehood, sadly, only one was allowed, however, both sides had dissedents of the proposition -- some in vehemence. It's the inalienable right of the Palestinians of statehood; give them thier statehood --not relfected by the best interest of the west-- and this whole fiasco could be done with. Both sides have refused to accept any terms, esp when terms --Oslo, UN 242, Rogers Plan-- are either biased towards/against the Israeli and Palestinians.




1) Count the nuclear warheads Israel has and ask yourself If they really wanted to murder those poor, poor muslims (many of whom come from the richest nations on the planet but can't get a grip on their own government) why would they bother rolling in the mud fighting with the same weapons as the enemy. Oh they ignore rullings of the UN. Count the muslim nations that head commities in the UN. Oh yeah, if the US people were told to follow a UN rule it would be "NEW WORLD ORDER"!


Around 200; and if they did want to murder those people --who are not from the richest nations on this planet -- they would, and do. Palestinians have recieved more deaths on thier side than they have employed against the other. Granted they did 'murder' all those Palestinians with 'nuclear' weapons, what do you think the ramnifications would be? Be a bit more logical than that.

I am not sure what you are talking about in your second statement. The U.S has vetoed a good number of resolutions to bring peace and stability to that side of the world. If the U.S. followed the lead of the U.N. there would be peace and stability on this planet, not a 'new world order'; The United States is more worried about remaining a powerfull political clout in that region of the world, and controlling the entire resources. Example: Take the Brazilean 'coffee industry' and how the U.S. jumped gun and made countless millions early this century. Notice how 'buddy buddy' they were with Brazil, and even considered Brazil to be on the up and coming superpowers with thier vast RESOURCES..



2) Even Jordan gave the Palastenians the boot. No one wants the ungreatful parasites!


You mean when Syria tried to intervene over Palestinians being brutaly assualted in Jordan?




3) You make a list of contributions Isreal and Judism has made to Civilization. Then look at the blank sheet of paper for the Palastenians list.


Make me that list please, and then tell me what it has to do with giving a people thier inalienable right to statehood. The only contribution Judiasm gave was giving birth to Christianity and Islam --more or less deliterious to society..




4) US money was given to Arafat too. Out of $600 million in one payment $400 million was used to buy a boat load of munitians and run it through underground tunnels in GAZA.



So, you're insinuating that the U.S. was giving HAMAS illegal munitions to fight thier ally? I've never heard of this, can you confirm it?




5) Take out a US dollar bill and look at the back. Over the eagles head is an emblem GEORGE WASHIGTON had placed there - "LEST WE FORGET WHO MADE THIS NATION POSSIBLE" The jewish people dug deep to make the US happen and they paid with an awful lot of blood under her flag. Now where the hell were the Muslims during the Revolution?
This is one American with no apology for backing Israel. I'll back her like my own country the rest of you really need to check the time limit on your passports.


I don't think they are talking about the Jewish people; maybe the blood of the many ethnicaly plural --European-- peoples that died to make America what it is today. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, it's just an imature remark which strays way from the original topic. Muslims nations were occupied by British forces during that time, were they not? They, too, were fighting a revolution for independent nationalism, correct? What about the millions of African Americans who paid with thier lives, pride and liberty to make America what it is today? Why are they not payed hommage too?

I am not sure what you're talking about..

Deep



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo
Wow, IQ minimum for Mods anyone?


I'm warning you for that. Not only is it personally insulting to another member, but the targeting of people that volunteer at this site (because of their volunteer status) needs to stop across the board.

When you aren't being offically Modded for something, please leave a moderator's status out of the debate as a courtesy to their opinions which are of equal value to your own. But more than that, don't use that status as some expectation of a get out of jail free card to single out, abuse and insult them expecting to not get warned like you would for attacking anyone else.

If you want to make good natured donut and bacon jokes to the board cops, that's fine.
But too many people are of the opinion that a moderator of another political opinion is somehow a crime against humanity. Please stop.

This goes for liberals, conservatives, moderates, anarchists, ninnies, tree huggers, moonies, atheists, evangelicals, mouthbreathers, nazis, socialists, terrorists, commies, libertarians, greens, prohibitionists, dixiecrats, federalists, free-soilers, anti-federalists, masons, anti-masons, robots, reptilian overlords and ivory tower professors intent on brainwashing your children.

It's only fair.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Spewage....plain outright anti-Israel spewage within this thread. I'm sure it won't be long before some reckless soul decides to bring into play the "10 times debunked" Protocols of the Learned Elders and 'world domination' too, eh?
Keep fueling the flames fella's...all in the name of "don't believe it, research it," k? Cause if the Israelis wanted to "slaughter" Muslims and create a "greater Israel" they would have already done so.

seekerof




I couldn't agree more! The econmics alone of Israeli's to Palastinians is horrifying at best. Palastinians throw rocks? The little armament that they do have is outdated. If the Palastine nation got as much monetary support as they do politiacally (which isn't much) there'd be alot more Israeli blood and damning photos against the Palastinians.

I am ever concerned about the black and white of the middle east. It seems there isn't much of it....a gray pallor consumes most of the media presentations. Their origins are so similar and yet blood is still shed and neither is right.

I must confess that I do not see how any of this can end without the NWO.






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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Gee! How easy it seems to be for some of you defenders of the Palestinians to judge what the Israeli's do without having a clue what it must be like to not know when you get on a bus, walk down a street, go in a shop - in other words try and live day to day - without fear of some terrorist act. Could we have that here in the U.S. without everything unravelling? I doubt it.

Somehow, to the Palestininan apologists and appeasers it's all just great.

BTW, there never has been a country of Palestine. "Palestinians" are simply Arabs that happen to live in the area. The idea that they are a "nation" is something that was made up fairly recently.


This seems to say there was. Not that it matters, pointing the finger of blame is hardly going to change anything. They just need to find a way to live together and make the best of the current situation... Of course it's easy for me to say that, i don't have to live through what both sides have to live with every day.

encarta.msn.com...



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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
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BTW, there never has been a country of Palestine. "Palestinians" are simply Arabs that happen to live in the area. The idea that they are a "nation" is something that was made up fairly recently.


In 1920 most of the area now called Israel, was called Palestine, a multi ethnic area with approximately 750,000 people of which 11% was Jewish: the main language there was Arabic, the main religion Muslim.
en.wikipedia.org...


Mainly European Jews had been migrating to Palestine since the end of the 19th century and declared in 1948 the state of Israel - they based their state on "historical facts" thousands of years ago.

This is the same as thousands of years from now, suddenly -from somewhere- millions and millions of native Indians migrate to the USA and declare large parts of the country as their nation.

Blobber


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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 10:06 PM
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Why do rednecks have to spoil the world for everyone?

Most of this thread has been about whos gonna kick whos butt, which is ironic as this is the grass roots of what we are seeing at the moment.

Is Israel to blame for all the bad in the world today? Is America? Take the two out of the picture, do you think the world will be a better place? What countries would fill the power gap? Communist, muslims?

If you were hoping for a better world, without violence then you have your heads in the clouds. It will get worse and worse and worse just like Revelations says.

Aren't you curious as to why Russia & America still build bigger and more powerful nukes when they already have enough to destory the world numerous times over? You trust this power in the hands of humans?



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by Justice Fighter
This forum is the most ignorant one that I have ever seen.
God! "War against terror" "Deny Ignorance", how can we do that when we have here poeple that are so fool that they can easily star at "Dump and Dumper"?

You are nothing more than a bunch of leftists foolish poeple, who fight the terror fighters instead of fighting the terrorists. And you think that your comments deserve a repply? They are so stupid and ignorant and full of hateness and anti-simitism that I bet that Arafat is blessing you now!

Remember one thing there- Israel and the Jews passed 4000 years of fool enemies worser than you, and they will stay another 4000 years here while you, as the rest of their enemies in the past, will stop from existing.

I have nothing but full soppurt for the poeple of Israel who fight for their existment against a brainwashing enemy who wants them all to be dead.

I condem you for being ignorant, I condem you for being assholes, I condem you for supporting the most anti Human rights poeple in the world (the Islamists and their terrorists) while hating the democratic state of Israel, without any reason, based on muslim propoganda.

You are either fool or anti-simits, but I, who was in the US army and fought all the possible enemies that you can think about, have one thing to tell you: Israeli army is the most moral and positive army in the world, and they are the front line against the Islamists terrorism the Jihad.

Instead of reading propoganda sites, read some history books about the Israeli-Arab conflict and the wars.

I dont care if you give me 10 warnings, 10 account closings, or 10 deletes of my message.

I have nothing but a huge laugh at you. May God save your brain!




[moderator edit: a gazillion links to another board tends to start Board Wars and this sort of thing is not good for either board. Please restrict your links and please don't fetch up links saying another board is right/wrong/stupid/whatever.]

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I condemn thee forst thou sour usage and abuse of thy English language.
You appear brighter than most while still portraying the image of an absolutely misinformed soul.

The Zionist supporting Nazis that run that regime AND yours will soon pay their price.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
ANYTHING Israel does is justified. ALL Terrorist are complete cowards. Israel is a very small "oasis" of sanity in the entire middle east. Attack them and get 100 fold in Retaliation. I jewish life is worth a 1000 terrorist.


Sadly the average Jew is nothing but innocent and expendable fodder for those that play on the manipulated and coersced.

They care nothing for the Jewish people - only the furtherance of their Zionist global domination agenda.

Read up and learn. Not CNN or your highschool history books but real history that none of your establishment backed institutions permit.

You will be hard pressed to find any greater "terrorist" state than that of Israel and its puppet - the USA.
Shalom!



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 07:52 AM
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as posted by Jakomo
Wow, IQ minimum for Mods anyone?

POST the articles you reference where it says "80% of Palestinians support suicide bombers used against Israeli citizens".


Jak, Jak, Jak.....
Come now, you know me better than that. Rarely do I say something that cannot be backed in one form or another. Your skepticism is healthy but often misplaced. Allow me:


Seventy-five per cent of Palestinians support the suicide bombing at an Israeli restaurant two weeks ago in which 21 people, including four children, were killed, a Palestinian survey showed Sunday

Poll: Majority of Palestinians back suicide bombing
Majority of Palestinians Back ‘Suicide Bombing’


'The Vast Majority of Arab Intellectuals, the Arab Street, and 80% of the Palestinians - Supported Suicide Attacks'

Tunisian columnist admits that Palestinians refused State and chose terror


Thus suicide bombing has become phenomenally popular. According to polls, 70 to 80 percent of Palestinians now support it—making the act more popular than Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Fatah, or any of the other groups that sponsor it, and far more popular than the peace process ever was.

The Culture of Martyrdom


According to an authoritative May 2003 Pew Global Attitudes Project opinion poll, 80% of Palestinians agreed with the statement: "The rights and needs of the Palestinian people cannot be taken care of as long as the State of Israel exists..

After Saddam, Should Arafat Be Next?

Need more, let me know.




seekerof



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:27 AM
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Suicide bombing is all they can do. They cannot match the Israeli military, since they are oppressed. Oppressed people do what they must. I support them as well.

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