If we are at War against Terror, Why Support Israel? GRAPHIC PICTURES WARNING

Life is life Dr horrible, regardless where it is. Its those who have no respect for sanctity of life who think like you. Any life is equal to another, be jewish, palestinian, isrealian whatever. The life of one child is just as valuable as the life of another. you conveniently imagine every life being lost is a brave fighter or a terrorist.
Your statement shows mindless hatred equal to those you support.
Hatred begets hatred, thats why these folk are still killing one another. Thats why ideas you support will never work any more than that of those your against. That is why bombs and guns cannot ever solve this problem.
They are doing very well perpetuating their own mistakes without your armchair support.
you want to push the agenda of either side, then go over their and join the fighting, dont be loud coward.

What makes you think I am only in my armchair? God holds Israelis life sacred and infact says he will inflict retibution upon their enemies 1000 fold. Thats why Hirosima and Nagasaki happened. At Peral harbor 2800 lost their lives and 100's of thousands of Japanese got cooked. Devine retribution.

I sure wish I wouldnt have clicked that link, but my curiosity got the better of me.

Maybe I'm jaded, but those pictures aren't THAT bad. Most of the victims were still alive, at least, and you can't say that about your average Palestinian atrocity.

I wonder how long that web site will last before it gets hacked.

I've seen other 'we disagree' web sites that have suffered with continual hacking.

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Please note that I am not a "Zionist". I am anti-terrorist. My HATE list still remains Terrorist - Communist - Socialist - Lawyers - Liberals in that order.

You got a long hatelist there, mayby you should try some angermanagment or get a loving girlfriend to ease some of that tention.

Originally posted by DrHoracid
What makes you think I am only in my armchair? God holds Israelis life sacred and infact says he will inflict retibution upon their enemies 1000 fold. Thats why Hirosima and Nagasaki happened. At Peral harbor 2800 lost their lives and 100's of thousands of Japanese got cooked. Devine retribution.

You might not have noticed but this god you mention hasnt been around lately. Hes an absentee landlord buddy. Any god worth being God holds ALL life sacred. Devine retribution my ass, unless you call the irony of these hate filled folk, dieing by the sword they weild "divine". God has nothing to do with it. The more you post the more you reveal of your mentality, and so far im not impressed.
Why dont you go over to occupied territory and fight along with the isrealis? It really dosent matter which side you choose, neither is holier than thou, no matter how much they claim so. These folk are sick and delusional, they throw away their lives and take others, in endless succession, and for what? A peice of land no more worthy of the death of innocents to defend than any other. They are all so full of hate and hate fueled propaganda of their fathers they no longer think for themselves. Their mothers wail in anguish as the husbandsand sons go off to kill and be killed, and they see no end to it. Generation after generation like lemmings off a cliff. And what have to show for such waste of life?
A horizon filled with the rubble of their homes and bloodsoaked graves.
Can you truely beleive deep in your soul that this madness is worth continuing indefinatly? Despite the rhetoric of either side, their lives are wasted, mothers raising fodder for slaughter. It must stop. No right, no wrong, no winners. Just stop.
Incedently hiroshima and nagsaki had nothing to do with god either, it was the work the cowardly American administration of the time. it happened because They were too afraid to fight on the ground and lose men, it continues to this day. Arial attack and long range weapons. If the Us experienced loss of life on the scale of the middle east it would be a whole other story. They like to go to war but loss of American lives is too great a cost.



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Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by cstyle226

Originally posted by DrHoracid
ANYTHING Israel does is justified. Israel is a very small "oasis" of sanity in the entire middle east. I jewish life is worth a 1000 terrorist.

Please note that I am not a "Zionist". I am anti-terrorist. My HATE list still remains Terrorist - Communist - Socialist - Lawyers - Liberals in that order.

What makes you think I am only in my armchair? God holds Israelis life sacred and infact says he will inflict retibution upon their enemies 1000 fold. Thats why Hirosima and Nagasaki happened. At Peral harbor 2800 lost their lives and 100's of thousands of Japanese got cooked. Devine retribution.

shouldn't you put 'goyim' at the top of your list? your hate list is terrorist=communist=socialist=lawyer=liberal, and has no 'order'. it is just hate for everybody because mommy didn't love you and daddy loved you a little too roughly.

so, you're not a zionist? HAHA! what a crock. listen to yourself.

and talk about 'sanity', you just said that the japanese got cooked because god loves israelis, and 2800 lost their lives at pearl harbour. and here, all these years, the rest of us fools thought they were americans. we also were under the impression that there WAS no isreal when pearl harbour got bombed.

there was no reason to bomb nagasaki or hiroshima. they were exercises in horror, following the doctrines proposed by bertrand russell, h.g.wells, and aldous huxley, and had nothing to do with japan, and everything to do with terrorising the public of the whole world..
de-vine(christ: i am the vine) it was, divine it wasn't.

Unfortunately you need some "learn'n" here. The US is part of the lost tribe of "Israel". As decendents of one of the lost tribes when japan attacked us their loss of life was destined to be 1000 fold. Current "Israel" is mostly Judean decendents. I am no Zionist but a follower of "true" history. My "hate" list was in "order" but somewhat sarcastic. Get a grip. Current "Israel" is the "holyland" and the Jews are the "chosen" people. But there are more to biblical "Israel" than Jews. They/we all have Gods blessings as decendents of Abraham through Issac. Ishmail's decendents are just "out of luck".

Originally posted by DrHoracid
What makes you think I am only in my armchair? God holds Israelis life sacred and infact says he will inflict retibution upon their enemies 1000 fold. Thats why Hirosima and Nagasaki happened. At Peral harbor 2800 lost their lives and 100's of thousands of Japanese got cooked. Devine retribution.

sorry couldnt stop laughing at this
what are you comical ali of the USA

God holds Israelis life sacred and infact says he will inflict retibution upon their enemies 1000 fold.
thats just sh*t ( first the bin-ladin and now you )

and finaly you lot nuked the japanese dont think god would use a nuke to kill someone since he would have the power to strike them down where they stand


oh GOD why do we have these fanatic in Islam,Christinaity and jews

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah. Data indicates it was a nuke of some type. The US got the atomic bomb first. Just Chance?

Disturbed Deliverer:

Palestinians started the attacks. They target civillians, while Isrealis don't. The Isrealis have a right and obligation to protect their own people. The Palestinians have decided to hide among the civillians like cowards.

The international community is also more against Isreal then for it.

The IDF doesn't target civilians? WTF? How about launching missiles from jets into crowded streets to take out a "militant"?

Do they just figure that they are such good shots that the missile will only kill the guy the need to, or do they in fact not give a flying fig who else is killed?

What about the 13 year old girl who the IDF pumped full of rounds last week?

www.haaretzdaily.com...

Likud MK praises officer accused of `confirming kill'

Druze MK Ayoub Kara (Likud) on Sunday called for the Israel Defense Forces commander accused of "confirming the kill" of a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in the southern Gaza Strip to be given a medal, and referred to the victim as a "terrorist."

"Confirming a kill" is military term referring to firing at combatants at close range after they have already been shot to the ground, ostensibly to assure that they present no further danger, but effectively to make sure they are dead.

The company commander who has been indicted on five counts in connection with the October 5 killing of Iman al-Hamas, was recorded during the incident as saying he carried out a "confirmed killing" even after another soldier told him the figure approaching the military post was "a little girl."

Speaking after a meeting with Captain R. and his father at the military base where R. is being held, Kara called for the officer to be "released immediately and given a medal for bravery for wiping out a terrorist in the encounter."

THIS IS MURDER AND TERRORISM. A 13 year old girl killed for NO reason and then the murderer is PRAISED by his government. Anyone who can't see that is either blind or stupid or pro-Zionist.

This is different than a religious fanatic blowing up a bunch of people on a bus, this is a TRAINED Army regular using his training to kill a pre-pubescent girl, unarmed and posing no threat. May God have mercy on their souls.

The international community is more against Israel than for it because people are smart and they realize that what the Israeli government is doing and has been doing for 35 years is ILLEGAL and IMMORAL.

Affirms their rights, while asking for the Isrealis to give up their own. They haven't persecuted anyone.

Ahahaha! The Israelis haven't persecuted anyone?!?! ROFL, that's the most insane comment I've ever heard from anyone. Tell me, what do you call the open-air prisons of the Gaza Strip and West Bank if it's not persecution. What do you call more than 30 years of illegal military occupation?

What do you call bulldozing people's houses? Forcing them to wait for hours at security checkpoints? Erecting a "Separation Wall" to keep Palestinians away from Jewish settlers?

Illegally occupied? That land was used to stage attacks on the Isreali people multiple times. Isreal had every right to take it. I don't care if the internation community or even if America didn't like it.

Well put. You don't care if the rest of the world disagrees with it, you believe that Israel is right and the entire rest of the world is wrong. Solid argument there, and it totally proves to me that your "opinion" is not an educated one, but a purely emotional one, divorced from the actual reality of the situation.

Don't be upset that you're totally wrong, you're not arguing out of fact you're arguing based on emotion.

Hey Jakomo....good day. How you been?
One simple question to ask:
Despite both differences of tactics used by both sides, do you support and agree with suicide attacks being used against innocents so as to further the cause of gaining statehood?

Just a simple yes or no will suffice.
Thank you.
Good day.



seekerof

Voilince sucks of course.
For example, Bush sucks, and so do Kerry

Seekerof:

Despite both differences of tactics used by both sides, do you support and agree with suicide attacks being used against innocents so as to further the cause of gaining statehood?

No, I don't support that Palestinians, who feel helpless after 30 years of Occupation, resort to suicide attacks against Israeli targets, because that is the only option they believe is open to them. They're misguided.

But I don't support the entire Occupation. If Israel was not illegally occupying Palestine, these suicide attacks wouldn't be happening.

Therefore, since Israel is by FAR the most powerful of the two sides, and they themselves, if they had the political will, could end this farce at any time, I lay most of the blame on the Israeli government for the entire problem.

Israel has killed BY FAR more "innocent civilians" than any Palestinian terror organization. You know this and I know this. Through the use of high-tech weapons, trained soldiers and heavy ordnance. It's not Mushahid the cobbler who is strapping on explosives, it's Shlomo the sniper, trained by a nation's ARMY and using that expertise to kill and humiliate non-combatants. The only way that you can argue that Palestine kills more innocents is if you believe that each and every Palestinian is a terrorist.

So what DO you think?

jako

Here's what I think:

Therefore, since Israel is by FAR the most powerful of the two sides, and they themselves, if they had the political will, could end this farce at any time, I lay most of the blame on the Israeli government for the entire problem.

Jakomo, you and I have been round-in-round on this issue and it seems that neither of us has moved from our positions, because for me, IMHO, till the Palestinian's cease with the suicide runs, cease outright targeting of innocents in those suicide runs, till the Palestinian's get control on/of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, ETC., and end the great cliche' of the total annihilation and destruction of Israel, they will continue to suffer from the responses of Israel, "occupation" not withstanding. I am not belittling you here, for as hard as it may seem for you to concieve, I do respect your opinion, though I do give you a hard time over it. I question why you are so outspoken for the "rights and statehood" of Palestine and yet, I have never heard you once be outspoken for the "rights and statehood" of those Tibetian's who are still "occupied" by China today. Interesting.




seekerof

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Seeker,

This topic has nothing to do with Tibet, colour me suprised. Let's all admit, for once, that circulatory logic heeds no headway; Israel has occupied much territory under the guise of political dogmas for decades, and continues to kill more Palastinians than the other side does.

Tell me Seeker, when one side is supported by the largest superpower in the world and afforded some of the most technologicaly advanced arsenal in the world, what do you expect a poor country like Palestine to do? Get in thier tanks, Harriers, f-14's and fight till apocolypse now?

That's just plain logic. They use tanks, the other side uses suicide bombers. It's not ignorant and savage, it's smart and desperation. When the west is constantly knocking on thier door, blaming them for the problems caused by western capitalism/imperialism, what can you expect?

Maybe if your government decided to contrive a more heathy form of energy, we would not be in this mess..

Deep

So ZeroDeep, let me guess here, and correct me if I am wrong ok?
You back the use of suicide methods, targeting innocents as a legitimate method for gaining statehood, which has been offered how many times? Also, you support the 'still' existing doctrine of the total and unequivical annihilation and destruction of Israel? You see, this goes deeper, forgive the pun, then just a nation being backed by the world's only superpower....I mean geez ZeroDeep, thats like saying "So what....the Palestinian's are backed by the EU and the virtual entire Arab world (but Egypt)," eh?


Circle logic indeed.....



seekerof

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As I remember my american history before it got rewritten, the colonials fought a "terrorist" war against superpower England. We "cheated" by hiding behind rocks and trees and shot "officers". That was against the rules of war.

So, let me guess, SeekerOf, you back an illegal occupation? You even back killing a few Arabs who fight for thier inalienable right to statehood, and this right denied to them by Israel? It's okay when Israel slaughters over 7500 Lebonese, but when even less of thiers have been killed, it's screamed bloody murder? When they occupy more land and expell more Palestinians from thier land (not allow them to return, even after the wishs of the U.N. and International community; the U.S vetoed such resolutions, mind you, more or less) and these people fight for their homes, it's okay? When Israeli tanks bulldoze countless homes in the Gaza strip, it's okay with you?

This is going nowhere..

Deep

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Unfortunately you need some "learn'n" here. The US is part of the lost tribe of "Israel". As decendents of one of the lost tribes when japan attacked us their loss of life was destined to be 1000 fold. Current "Israel" is mostly Judean decendents. I am no Zionist but a follower of "true" history. My "hate" list was in "order" but somewhat sarcastic. Get a grip. Current "Israel" is the "holyland" and the Jews are the "chosen" people. But there are more to biblical "Israel" than Jews. They/we all have Gods blessings as decendents of Abraham through Issac. Ishmail's decendents are just "out of luck".

learning is never 'unfortunate'. the US is a mosaic of genetics and religions. they call it the 'melting pot', but somebody forgot to put the pot on the stove. tell me what hopi indian has in common with a harlem black has in common with an alabama preacher has in common with a san francisco gay has in common with a seattle stoner. all these people are part of your 'lost tribe'? shouldn't you just say whites are superior, and we need to kill everybody else?
it's not okay to be 'antisemetic', but it is okay to be anti-everyone else? and it's ME who has learning to do?

you live in a world of theocratic dogma, and have lost your capacity for love. very sad, dr. horacid.

shouldn't we include the family trees of lemuria and atlantis in the hate campaign? which side is 'ours' 'doctor'. what about oog and thoog?

if god created everything, shouldn't 'he' decide who dies? why is it always the power elite who decide? oh right, 'devine right'. shouldn't the earth just open and swallow the 'evil ones'?
the tactics of the 'illuminati' never change. well, ye old boy's club, the world of information is here, and diffusion tactics can work for a while, but the truth never goes away. truth is in the heart, not ancient texts(although, stan tenet's work is interesting. genesis is the purest chapter in the book. the geometric hebrew version, that is.)

git yer lurnin', heer!

1. do unto others, as you would have done unto you.
2. recognise the tree by it's fruit.
3. see number 1.

while i'm here for a spelling correction, hor, i think we need to at least go back to the vedics for the origins of nuclear tech, yeah? it worked for tesla.

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