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If we are at War against Terror, Why Support Israel? GRAPHIC PICTURES WARNING

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
After the swearing in of "commander in cheif" the Gov will detonate a nuke bomb in an American city and blame it on some terrorist group and the real NEW WORLD ORDER will finaly begin with the suspension of the Constitution and a REAL LIFE military-Police state.


Who is the Gov?




posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer

Many Jews lived along with the Arabs. The Palestinians weren't the only ones in the area. The land was set aside for a Jewish state by the British who were the legal owners of the land.


and the jews and arabs were doing reletaively well, until the british, the 'legal owners' of the land got involved. pray tell, how did the british become the 'legal' owners of the land? who did they buy it from, because they're surely not semites, and so it DEFINITELY wasn't their homeland.
legal smeagle, my precioussssss. it's imperialist theft using tried and true mafia tactics.

Where does genocide come in? There is no genocide going on. Do you know what you're saying? Genocide is the systematic destruction of an entire population.

no, genocide is murder of others based on their genetics, or ideals, otherwise, you couldn't accuse hitler of 'genocide', because he didn't kill ALL the jews. even one such murder is genocide. and, anyway, you said that jews deserved a homeland because of what hitler did to them, ie. genocide.
i say, if every race subjected to genocide gets a parcel of ancient homeland 'returned' to them, then you have to do the whole world. contrary to the jews' religious dogma, jews are not better than everyone else, they are not 'special'. the goyim('cattle') are every bit as human as the jews. 'if you prick me, do i not bleed?'.



Originally posted by Disturbed DelivererIt wasn't just what Hitler did. It wasn't just the numbers he had killed. The environment in Europe was strongly anti-semetic. The Jews had nowhere to go, but Isreal. What happened to the Indians happened slowly, and the Indians were always pushed aside to another spot.


if the jews had nowhere to go, but isreal, why didn't they just go? borders never stopped jews from ending up where they want to be. did they ALL leave, post WWII? there are jews everywhere.
the REAL reson for isreal, was to establish a military stronghold in the oil rich regions of the middle east for the benefit old money families of the british 'commonwealth'.
the indians 'other spot' they were pushed to, was the land of the spirit world. it was really unjust. we need to establish a homeland for the aboriginals of all the countries that britain/portugal/spain/france/germany has ever conquered. it's only fair.


Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
This would be my advice to the Palestinians who can't except the fact that the Isrealis are there to stay, and there attempts are futile, and only bring more suffering to their people, as well as the Isrealis.


i agree. we all need to live together. the more fresh air and good vibrations we can share, the better. what is the number one barrier? dogma. no worries, though. the karma always runs over the dogma.



Originally posted by Disturbed DelivererIt happens with every system. There's no way to prevent the rich from buying favor.

I hate to tell you this, but there was ever a revolution in America, we'd be right back to this point eventually.


might as well just roll over and assume the position, yeah? resistance is futile! you will be assimmilated!
there is a way to prevent the rich from buying favour. it's called law. laws determine just how in cozy the big fish in the moneystreams can get.


Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
You can't educate without any evidence. All of the talk of the NWO is just baseless. It doesn't really serve any purpose in this topic.


i love to disagree with you, so i'll say, 'i can educate without any evidence'. you seem to be suffering from narrow vision. the bush admin started two wars without any evidence. it's amazing what you can do without evidence these days. or how you can have all kinds of evidence completely ignored(like WTC tower 7, for example, or the young american girl who was bulldozed by the isrealis in 2002, was it? this list could go on for a thousand pages)

i am part of what is called a 'popular movement'. argue with that. all the evidence and downright PROOF of the NWO is right here at ATS for serious seekers. anyone with the time and patience to go through the threads, follow the links, use key word searches and filter out the noise in their inner sanctum's sewage treatment plant, will be able to find the patterns. it's all about patterns, don't you know.
dubya was just promoting the new world order in canada. he said 'new world order' in his address in halifax. the NWO serves a purpose on all topics. it is the prime mover in the world right now.


Originally posted by Disturbed DelivererTalk about things Isreal as doing, as that is the whole point of this discussion. Everything you've stated has been exagerated, or just false. I've given actual events while all of you just keep spouting rhetoric like how there is some genocide, and Isreal is stealing land.


i think the pictures linked at the beginning of this thread speak elegantly enough about what isreal is doing.
nothing i have said is false or exaggerated.
you know, because of this conflict you and i are having, i'm going to have to mine your tomato garden, and bulldoze your tool shed. you don't mind, i'm sure.
i don't do rhetoric. that's a neocon thang. your bias is showing. i never said isreal was visiting genocide on the palestinians. i was TRYING to discuss historical comparisons of genocide against indigenous peoples, which is the whole cornerstone of jewish claims to isreal. you are putting words in my fingers when you keep responding like i said anything about current genocide against palestinians.
i'll say it again, genocide is genocide.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:38 AM
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The United States Government, All that talk about Russian Nukes being missing is just to get the public to beieve that nuke bombs are missing and to slowly accept the termination of the Constitution "for peace and security"



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
The United States Government, All that talk about Russian Nukes being missing is just to get the public to beieve that nuke bombs are missing and to slowly accept the termination of the Constitution "for peace and security"


It's even obvious in simple things like the "CNN special: Nuclear Terror." They are just preparing the American public to get ready to accept the concept of it happening.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 04:03 AM
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You got it exactly and why do you think there are ALL these people in the Gov that want to take away automatic guns, it's so when they declare the New World Order all Americans that want to resist it will be stuck with 9mm's and 45's and the New World Order siolders (as I like to call them) will have those nice M-4's and XM8's and what ever else they'll come up with.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 04:03 AM
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And I thought that the Islamo Fanatics are idiots.
Seems that you have just passed them in the idiots ratio!

You are nothing more than stupid leftists, terror supporters, worser than the terrorists themselvs.
All of your "conspirations" about Zionism, the USA, Mossad, CIA, Bin Laden, together with your trust to Islamo-fanatic propoganda only show about your super low intelligence!

"War on Terrorism" for you is "War on Terror Fighters".

This shows that Bin Laden and his Islamo fanatics succeeded in their brain washing.
Thaks god that there are poeple in USA, Israel, UK and Australia and in other countries that are not that stupid.

I wish that soon you will be all attacked by the islamo fanatics and then I would like to see how you cry for our help.

You have just broken the world record for ignorance/ stupidness (choose the correct answer).

May you reach to hell together with the terrorists that you support.

Amen!

"This account has been destroyed"




posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
these are all high level Mossad organizations designed to make Chistians walk away from Christianity by deliberatly teaching these wierd teachings in an open ovious way, people like Swagger and pretty much all the preachers you see on T.V. are all C.I.A.-Mossad agents ( and I'm not exaggerating in ANYWAY when I say they ARE C.I.A.- Mossad agents)

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Find It hard to belive when I do think that Atheism is the worst political enemy to zionism.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 04:18 AM
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I support the costitution to the VERY END science the U.S. Gov allows me to live here, and I'm a Christian so I don't belive in Islam but I will not be tricked into beliving Arabs did a certin thing without what you call "HARDCORE" proof no proof that highjackers were on the plane but the Gov saying there was, in 9/11 commision report it says that a f-15 piolet was told to go to D.C. ( so he could intercept the plane that was going to the pentagon) this piolet took it upon him self to go to the Atlantic because he thought it was an attack from the "soviets" I assure you 1. We Russki's are no longer Commies, 2 If we were going to attack you you wouldn't be able to reaspond untill well AFTER all of OUR MOAB or Nuclear Bombs have did what there designed to. This explanation is all stupid there was no piolet I tell you if there was he would have been "Court Marshelled" for disobeing orders that cause the DEATH of 200 people, you know why this "Court Marshalling" has not happend? because the hole story of the F-15 piolet is a LIE thats why, I see you have the American Flag as your Symbol You don't know your Constitution I tell YOU DON'T if you did you would know America can't go to war outside of the Western Hemesphere and The Constitution makes NO PROVISIONS for the President to have "Executive Order" power.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 04:42 AM
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What's your take on the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, where everyone thought the Soviets would crush the Afghans?

But instead, thanks to God, the invaders were humiliated, and their empire was destroyed, and the fall of the Soviet Union was the result. In the Qur'an it says that this is the same end result for all nations who invade the believers lands for their own selfish reasons. What happens to the US will be a result of their true intentions.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 04:56 AM
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As an Orthodox Christian I could care less about Communisim, I hate what those jews did to Russia with communism, and the invation of Afganistan was to spread communism and I didn't and don't agree with that, as for the Soviet Army being defeated that not exactly true, Soviet Union= (S.U.) lost 11,381 soilders and just under 36,000 wounded in Action (W.I.A.) but S.U. killed 1.1 Million Afgahns, the reason S.U. pulled out is because no matter how bad S.U. beet the Afgahns in battles they just would not accept communisim so S.U. was forced to pull out. Just like in Vietnam even though U.S.A. lost 58,000+ soilders they ended up killing 3.3 Million NVC'c and South Vietnamies so Technically U.S. beet the CRAP otta the NVC's but in the long run U.S. had to pull out, years latter the same for S.U. to give you an example about Afgahn it is like a bully who beets up a smaller person and tries to "FORCE" him to be his friend he beets and beets and beets the smaller guy up but no matter what the guy will not be his friend so eventually whats going to happen the bully will just leave him.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 04:58 AM
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Oh, there's no doubt that the more powerful army always kills more people, however, they are also defeated. Same results for America in Iraq.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:24 AM
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They Iraqi thing is not clear to American civilians, around the summer of 2002 Putin sent Spetznas into Iraq through Iran to arm the Republican Gaurd with all types of nasty weapons that makes American servicemen go "POP" if you know what I mean there are around 3000 Spetznas (of some type I don't know exaclty which Beta team or Zaslon) in Iraq right NOW who are supervising all the counter insurgent activities (I will reafer to the Republican Gaurd as counter Insergents and the U.S. as the REAL insurgents) they had trained the Republican Gaurd = (R.G.) on how to Aysemetrically fight the U.S. they armed the R.G. with around 4600 SA-7/SA-16 antiaircraft misslies and over 1000 Kornet antitank missles, they addvised the R.G. that in the south the civilians should be armed with regular RPG7's and AK's and PKM's and they should be orginised in a militia , so Muktader Al Sarde was the man chosen by the R.G. he has over 1 million men they are the ones you see on cnn who don't shoot straight and fire RPG's in a Un profeshional manner, what the pentagon does'nt want Americans to see is the Republican Gaurds who are shooting not only straight but using new Russian weapons that could have only come in to the RG's arsenal right before the war began which would tremendously cause scandle for the U.S. the U.S. Gov = (U.S.G.) the U.S.G. wants Americans to believe that this is not a straight war with the Legit Iraqi Army "Repblican Gaurd and Regular Iraq soilders" who were addviced by Spetznas to dress in civilian clothes and wage an "Aysemetrical war" against the U.S. the U.S.G. want Americans to think these are foreign fighters and regular civlians who found Iraqi arms and some how musterd enough courage to stand up to the 2nd most powerful army on earth (U.S.A.) (Russia is the number One if you ask me) anyways the Iraqs you see dressed in ALL black are republican Gaurd "captians" they dress in all black so the real iraqi civilians who have decided to help fight for the nation can easily destiguish them.

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:29 AM
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That would make sense, since Russia does not need the US exacting influence over the region. And also the strained relationship between Bush and Putin.

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:32 AM
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I Highly assure you Putin and Bush don't like each other they are only making it look like thier friends to calm the world so it wont be ovious that Rus and U.S. might go at it in the near future.

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:33 AM
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Biggest act of terrorsim against the british: The king David hotel Jerusalem.

The Israelis got their statehood by terror as well.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:50 AM
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here read this thetruthseeker.co.uk...

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 06:27 AM
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ANYTHING Israel does is justified. ALL Terrorist are complete cowards. Israel is a very small "oasis" of sanity in the entire middle east. Attack them and get 100 fold in Retaliation. I jewish life is worth a 1000 terrorist.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
ANYTHING Israel does is justified. ALL Terrorist are complete cowards. Israel is a very small "oasis" of sanity in the entire middle east. Attack them and get 100 fold in Retaliation. I jewish life is worth a 1000 terrorist.


Whatever you say, Dr. Zion. And as for your 100 fold in retaliation, bring it on.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 06:46 AM
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I sure wish I wouldnt have clicked that link, but my curiosity got the better of me. I dont think I can stand anymore of it, infants deaths, nazi's all over again, Arghhh...



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by cstyle226

Originally posted by DrHoracid
ANYTHING Israel does is justified. ALL Terrorist are complete cowards. Israel is a very small "oasis" of sanity in the entire middle east. Attack them and get 100 fold in Retaliation. I jewish life is worth a 1000 terrorist.


Whatever you say, Dr. Zion. And as for your 100 fold in retaliation, bring it on.


Please note that I am not a "Zionist". I am anti-terrorist. My HATE list still remains Terrorist - Communist - Socialist - Lawyers - Liberals in that order.



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