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Ron Paul: ‘US provoking war with Russia, could result in total destruction’

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posted on Dec, 6 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: Eunuchorn

If you were old enough, you'd know your last post was the same rhetoric used by the appeasers during the cold war.

It didn't work then, was proven false and it will likely prove true this time.




posted on Dec, 6 2014 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

That's a bizarre post. If Russia was 'invited in' then it was that same mechanism used in the Crimea, false 'Parliamentary votes' while being occupied by an 'un-uniformed' military force and taken over by a Russian backed party that had less than 4% of Chrimean support.

The same/similar mechanism was and is in force in the eastern portion of the Ukraine 'inviting' that asshole Putin in. (Ask the Georgians).

As far as Europe footing the bill, the U.S. has footed far more than Europe since WWII allowing your infantile behaving nations to finally stop fighting each other.

So the U.S. reduces it's presence and Putin takes advantage and it gets twisted into the U.S. is behind it??

My contempt.



posted on Dec, 6 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: maghun




Sovereignty? Who is "Yats" today?


Not the president, so they had someone they wanted to win and the people voted someone else in nothing wrong with that.



Please show me just one ukrainian (or international) investigation with results about those horrible events mentioned above!


You see that isn't how it works, because you made this statement...



The Maidan Snipers Massacre (democratic revolution), the Odessa Massacre, the Mariupol Massacre, the Lugansk bombing, the MH17 downing, the use of cluster bombs, ballistic missiles, white phosphorus and heavy artillery are all US provocations.


Now can you back this up with sources that do not come from Russian media is what was asked nothing too hard...so from your reply I take that as you can't...okay.



Angry families of MH17 crash victims seek U.N. investigation


And what is your point with this link, as the families have that right and I see no problem with it, but I think you need to pay better attention as I was replying to what Lavrov had said here...


Lavrov: Why don’t the BBC and CNN show "Russian troops in Ukraine"?


To which my reply was that someone needs to remind him of the Russian mothers and their questions about their sons dying in Ukraine, so what does that have to do with your link?



You're an expert on the Ukraine issue.



Never claimed to be.



The genocide of the Russians started in the east after a referendum about the "official language" in schools... In the forever Russian Crimea (acknowledged by China and NATO-member Turkey) there are three official languages. In "independent european" ukraine only the ukrainian is "official".


Need I ask again...Sources please, because that is a made up story coming from Russia, and the reason Ukraine is the first language is because it is the country of Ukraine and they do speak Russian in Ukraine, but it is a second language.

It's no different then someone from France moving to Germany where German is the first language, but that doesn't prevent the Frenchmen from speaking French to others who speak the language. How hard is that to understand?



posted on Dec, 6 2014 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h



the president


...only prime minister.

The president:

Wikileak Cables: Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in Washington's Pocket Since 2006



that isn't how it works


How it works after 100+ killed by snipers?

Special Report: Flaws found in Ukraine's probe of Maidan massacre



the Russian mothers


You are about NGO-sponsored websites? One "prominent" puppet Vasilyevna had some problems with her statements: for example she reported the names of a football team as killed russian soldiers.

Orenburg "cargo 200": the funeral of a football team?


From 4360 dead soldiers of the Russian Federation in Ukraine recognized only 900 - Vasilyeva


Any evidence about the "recognised 900"? She sad it, it is enough.



If I were Russian, after the Odessa Massacre (Odessa Khatyn) it is understandable if I felt the need to join my brothers and sisters to protect them from the nazis in Galicia.


Khatyn or Chatyń (Belarusian and Russian: Хаты́нь, pronounced [xɐˈtɨnʲ]) was a village of 26 houses and 156 inhabitants in Belarus, in Lahoysk Raion, Minsk Region, 50 km away from Minsk. On March 22, 1943, the entire population of the village was massacred by the 118th Schutzmannschaft Nazi battalion. The battalion was formed in July 1942 in Kiev and was made up mostly of Ukrainian nationalists from Western Ukraine and collaborators, Soviet army prisoners-of-war/deserters and the Dirlewanger Waffen-SS special battalion.


History repeats itself.



Sources please


Even sources will not help you...


Lviv (Ukraine) (AFP) - Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Friday risked further angering the Kremlin by suggesting that English lessons replace Russian ones in schools to improve the country's standard of living.


Teach English, not Russian in Ukraine schools: president



How hard is that to understand?


Nice vision in a country where the majority speaks Russian. Novorussia:


Autonomous Republic of Crimea — 97% of the population
Dnipropetrovsk Oblast — 72%
Donetsk Oblast — 93%
Zaporizhia Oblast — 81%
Luhansk Oblast — 89%
Mykolaiv Oblast — 66%
Odessa Oblast — 85%
Kharkiv Oblast — 74%


Source
edit on 12pm40400000012 by maghun because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2014 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

The cowards.

There should be a law that makes the children of gov officials the first ones on the front lines of ANY military action that they pursue.

See how many wars we get involved with then.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 12:23 AM
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originally posted by: FalcoFan
There should be a law that makes the children of gov officials the first ones on the front lines of ANY military action that they pursue.

See how many wars we get involved with then.


Answer: There'd be just as many wars of opportunity. The greedy only think of themselves and not their children. I doubt it would stop them at all- they'd just send their kids in and laugh all the way to the bank. Only a law that would force the government officials themselves onto the front lines as infantry might do the trick. Starting with the President, his cabinet, all the joint chiefs, and anyone over the rank of Sergent. To the front lines to take some bullets and get a couple legs shot off. Let THEM go to Ukraine and taste some tactical nukes. ENOUGH with sacrificing the common man's blood to line their pockets!



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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originally posted by: James1982
Ron Paul reminds me of the Aeolipile. Those ancient people were so, so close to starting the industrial revolution over a thousand years ago. They were so, so close, they had it RIGHT THERE, but they ignored it as anything other than a spectacle.

Kind of reminds of me Ron Paul. We have a real, good leader RIGHT HERE yet most Americans ignore him as anything other than a spectacle. SO close, yet so far because too few people have removed their heads from their rears.



I believe Ron Paul's chances of getting into WH are slim. However, he can still call shot from behind the scenes, if Rand Paul goes for the Presidency. I do not know the agenda and positions of Rand but any President should have Ron Paul in his inner circle.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 12:58 AM
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We now know that Ron Paul believes in the boogey-man.

Nothing to fear here...move on.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 01:27 AM
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The only thing that will be destroyed is the need to go to war as human kind realises it is one and there will be no need to fight against those who you consider part of yourself.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 02:13 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Bravo.

Putin will not rest until he brings his country to shambles. He sees himself as greater than he actually is, and sees his capabilities to be more. I could tell, during the Sochi Winter Olympics, Putin wanted nothing more than those games to be the launching pad for Russian domination on the world scene. When those plans didn't come together exactly as he thought they would, he started sliding down the slippery slope of becoming more of a pest and nuisance and embarrassment to the global community than anything else. He wants nothing more now than to save face and ruin the U.S. Yes there will be a war, started by Russia with plausible deniability, which will end in lots of tactical nukes and surrender by Russia . It will start on the high seas.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 02:17 AM
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a reply to: AreUKiddingMe



Sochi Winter Olympics, Putin wanted nothing more than those games to be the launching pad for Russian domination on the world scene.


Kissinger does not agree with you.


KISSINGER. … But if the West is honest with itself, it has to admit that there were mistakes on its side. The annexation of Crimea was not a move toward global conquest. It was not Hitler moving into Czechoslovakia.

SPIEGEL. What was it then?

KISSINGER. One has to ask oneself this question: Putin spent tens of billions of dollars on the Winter Olympics in Sochi. The theme of the Olympics was that Russia is a progressive state tied to the West through its culture and, therefore, it presumably wants to be part of it. So it doesn’t make any sense that a week after the close of the Olympics, Putin would take Crimea and start a war over Ukraine. So one has to ask oneself, Why did it happen?

SPIEGEL. What you’re saying is that the West has at least a kind of responsibility for the escalation?

KISSINGER. Yes, I am saying that. Europe and America did not understand the impact of these events, starting with the negotiations about Ukraine’s economic relations with the European Union and culminating in the demonstrations in Kiev. All these, and their impact, should have been the subject of a dialogue with Russia. This does not mean the Russian response was appropriate.


New York Times propagandists exposed: Finally, the truth about Ukraine and Putin emerges



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 02:21 AM
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originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
a reply to: Xcathdra



Bravo.



Putin will not rest until he brings his country to shambles. He sees himself as greater than he actually is, and sees his capabilities to be more. I could tell, during the Sochi Winter Olympics, Putin wanted nothing more than those games to be the launching pad for Russian domination on the world scene. When those plans didn't come together exactly as he thought they would, he started sliding down the slippery slope of becoming more of a pest and nuisance and embarrassment to the global community than anything else. He wants nothing more now than to save face and ruin the U.S. Yes there will be a war, started by Russia with plausible deniability, which will end in lots of tactical nukes and surrender by Russia . It will start on the high seas.


No what will be in shambles is the will to wage war on human kind as the people themselves refuse to believe the us vs them BS the powers that be have been feeding the mass media like its an inception of self destruction.

Nothing different about any race of people on the planet and all share a divine destiny of universal brotherhood not self destruction.

All are one in god all came from a singularity called a big bang and all are still one.

There will be no war, no one is buying what the powers that be are selling.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 02:29 AM
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a reply to: maghun

You remember the one ring that didn't light up? You remember the tear falling down the cheek of the huge giant bear mascot? You think those were purely coincidental? Putin was already acting a little "big for his britches". Remember the crappy rooms the US athletes got in the new hotels that weren't finished? Showers that had brown water running out of them? The many dogs running loose in the streets? Kissinger is pretty well-versed in foreign matters but let's face it, he's an observer now just like you or me.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Oh to be so young and innocent. You think wars that have been going on since the beginning of humans are suddenly going to stop now, because we have been enlightened about TPTB? Yay, war has been conquered! If only it were that easy.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 02:38 AM
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originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
a reply to: maghun



You remember the one ring that didn't light up? You remember the tear falling down the cheek of the huge giant bear mascot? You think those were purely coincidental? Putin was already acting a little "big for his britches". Remember the crappy rooms the US athletes got in the new hotels that weren't finished? Showers that had brown water running out of them? The many dogs running loose in the streets? Kissinger is pretty well-versed in foreign matters but let's face it, he's an observer now just like you or me.


Why focus on that which divides humanity like bad hotel rooms can you not see that the same god/infinate energy/counsiousness in every particle of you is the same as the god/infinate energy/counsiousness in Putin? Can you not see that to hate another is to hate another part of yourself? Why focus on negatives, rather than awaken to a greater and higher counsiousness that all is one.

It is my belief that you have the same soul as Putin or any one else you dislike them or love for that matter, try to overcome that which divides you from the other parts of yourself and see that which connects all of the universe god/infinate energy/counsiousness.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 02:51 AM
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originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Oh to be so young and innocent. You think wars that have been going on since the beginning of humans are suddenly going to stop now, because we have been enlightened about TPTB? Yay, war has been conquered! If only it were that easy.


This truth has been writen down since the oldest recorded texts of human kind its not just what I think there is plenty of science to back it up.

You see human kind has been in an us vs them for quite a while, while many have awakened to this truth that all are indeed one, and fashioned our anicent societies on that very truth, in time new societies emerge and must come to the same realization as their science, technology, and minds progress. To attempt to purposly take that evolution away from humankind and set the earth on a path to self destruction is the height of ignorant arrogance. However I believe the truth remains the same reguardless of how the powers that be would try and sell a war, to get people to wish for the destruction of thier fellow men women and children and even the planet itself.

No one wants to kill oneself, thats exactly what is being pushed, self destruction, while the powers that be hide and cower in forts.

The powers that be have orchestrated this us vs them endless war scenario out of delusion and have created this problem and seek us to believe that by the death and destruction of our beautiful planet and its civilazition they can remake it anew.

It will never become a reality there will be no destruction and peace will prevail. Get it got it good!




posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 05:34 AM
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The only person who orchestrated this is Putin. His paranoia and insistence on other leaders respecting Putin is the problem.

For Putin to claim the people in east Ukraine should be allowed to decide their own course free of outside intervention is laughable when Russia demands a guarantee from NATO to not accept the rest of Ukraine.

Putin is a moron whose ego is preventing him from backing down.

Everything to date Putin has bitched about is a reaction to his own actions.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
The only person who orchestrated this is Putin. His paranoia and insistence on other leaders respecting Putin is the problem.



For Putin to claim the people in east Ukraine should be allowed to decide their own course free of outside intervention is laughable when Russia demands a guarantee from NATO to not accept the rest of Ukraine.



Putin is a moron whose ego is preventing him from backing down.



Everything to date Putin has bitched about is a reaction to his own actions.


Putin Putin Putin seriously again with the us vs them, we are the same as them and blaming them is as silly as two kids in a school yard fight saying he started it.

It wont start because we are one not two no matter how the powers that be want us to believe they are the enemy he is the enemy.

The true enemy is the ego in the mind of human kind which seeks to further divide and bring about a suicidal self destruction out of delusion.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 06:34 AM
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New York Times propagandists exposed: Finally, the truth about Ukraine and Putin emerges


You are stuck on Henry Kissinger as though he is a god...why is that?

You seem to think his word is gospel, but do you know much about the man you seemingly quote as some kind of truth?

I suggest you do some research, and the fact that I am going to use this as a source is painful but you need to understand the man you quote has blood on his hands.


Crimes against Humanity: Why Is Henry Kissinger Walking Around Free?


www.globalresearch.ca...

Sorry but the man you constantly quote is a war criminal himself.



posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 07:16 AM
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