What Is The End Game, Mr Cameron?

I always have to laugh when the government mouthpieces appear on the radio and TV and tell us all how great things are going with the economy and how they are turning things around. Yep, there are signs of that all around us!
They lie about everything else, and the economy is just another bunch of lies, cooked books and fudged figures.

Arguments about the "economy" aside, that does nothing to address the rampant privatisation of services, mostly it seems to foreign entities. I think it's most telling when even government contracts are awarded to foreign corporations rather than domestic ones that, at least, will probably get taxed on the profits, rather than offshoring them and paying a pittance, if anything at all.
We then have all the other nastiness going on. The decades of kiddie fiddling and trafficking of underage victims. The rampant fraud within the banking and financial sector. The rampant surveillance, at all levels of society, by a runaway "intelligence" and spying framework seemingly unaccountable to even the acting government. The massive and seemingly uncontrolled immigration....etc...etc!

This is all needing to be addressed, yet just gets handed from one government to the next, apparently without resolution. These elected officials and their unelected and unaccountable cronies need to be held responsible for their actions (as well as inaction) and where necessary removed from office before more damage can be done.

a reply to: Robert Reynolds

I won't deny, they would be my favoured option come next year because, all other things aside, the Tories do know how to run an economy properly, whereas history shows Labour does not, they just know how to spend money to buy votes and also have no respect for

However, what I said is factually accurate - feel free to refute any of it if you can.

a reply to: grainofsand
Where did I say that I factually disagreed with anything? Or are you simply trying to read between the lines of a single line post?

a reply to: Robert Reynolds
So just bitching about the tories then, ok.
Seems funny now you appear to agree with everything in Stu's post, actually just chuckled, cheers.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: Robert Reynolds

I won't deny, they would be my favoured option come next year because, all other things aside, the Tories do know how to run an economy properly

So would you suggest that the health of a nation should be defined merely by the figures of national accountants? If there is widespread and increasing unhappiness - which I believe there is - the figures published by these experts don't seem to mean much. Talk of a healthy economy seems to do no more than give peace of mind to the already financially comfortable.

However, what I said is factually accurate - feel free to refute any of it if you can.

There's really no need to refute any so called 'facts' until they've been satisfactorily proved. I don't really have much faith in the claims of those involved in the financial or political arenas - whether they claim impartiality or not. Call me a cynic, but I'm pretty sure the world is run by liars.

I personally believe the financial system to be privately run scam used as warfare against the masses and that it's thousands of years old.

a reply to: Robert Reynolds
So what do you propose to help free the poor proles? ...aside from just bitching about the Conservative party on t'interwebs of course?

a reply to: grainofsand
I've never voted anything other than Tory, although I wouldn't vote now. It does seem to me though that the Conservatives seem to be the most effective party within this system, but in absolute terms I don't think that's a particularly good thing.

I would imagine - although I'm not advocating - that violent revolution will be the game changer. It usually is.

I personally think that the provision of food, fuel and shelter should be modelled on something that might be commonly referred to as socialist. It seems simply immoral to think that a child born tomorrow will be drinking water that is supplied by a company that has to provide profit for share-holders.

a reply to: Robert Reynolds
...so no plan then, just moan on the internet without suggesting any options how to change the things you may (or may not) be bitching about being wrong in the UK?
OK, come back to me when you have some actual plan or opinion which has more influence than a fakebook like.

More and more we are slowly but surely being conditioned to lose our humanity for our fellow man.

Foodbanks will be the norm for every single Working Poor, unemployed and sick and disabled person in 10 years time and those who dont or never will need to use them will simply do what they have done so far. turn a blind eye.

They wont even feel pity. you will be vermin to them....The whole thing reeks of the Germany of the 20's and 30's.

There will be no cradle to the grave welfare sate and private health care will be your only option. You will probably be better off getting a health care plan at a veterinary surgery.

Not only are our Governments and big corporations doing this to the people, Charities and Religious leaders are now in on the act as well. it's all about the £££££.

The Psychopaths are running the Asylum now..and it's every man for himself.


I predict riots, Robbery, acts of violence like you have never seen before to spread like wildfire across the UK in the next few years, and i mean 3-4 max.
Burn Baby Burn. I'm ready for it and i already know what and who my Targets will be... are you prepped.?

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Robert Reynolds
...so no plan then, just moan on the internet without suggesting any options how to change the things you may (or may not) be bitching about being wrong in the UK?

What's with accusing me of moaning and bitching? You just seem to want to pick a fight. Why would I have some plan for managing the nation? It's not my job. You might think that the government's doing fine job, myself and I think many others - don't.

OK, come back to me when you have some actual plan or opinion which has more influence than a fakebook like.

Yeah, when I've got all the answers I'll come straight to you: 'I've cracked it! I'll best get straight on ATS and tell that grainofsand bloke, because I'm so desperate to seek his approval - or failing that provoke him to an argument, providing he can put up with my bitching and moaning'.

a reply to: Robert Reynolds
Cool, neither of us have a plan then, and until we do, anything else is pretty much all bitching but no handbags

a reply to: grainofsand

You mean pretty much like what the Conservative and Labour partys do then? I hear the Lib dems like to get involved from time to time too, but nobody takes them seriously.
I have a plan though, lets throw them all out of office and replace it with something similar to the legal system. Where the parliament is made up of a Jury of random people in the same way that people are called to jury service with our legal system. The Judge would be an elected official who is head of the civil service, who makes the final decision on a act of parliment having considered the Jurys verdict and the case for whatever is to be decided on. Given a proposal brought forward by the civil service, i.e NHS, Police, Transport etc...
Its a very crude explanation I given I know but the idea has just occurred to me, and I'm thinking if its good enough for the system of justice then surely its good enough for the system of governance? We can do away with career politicians and party political interests in one fell swoop, and the people, represented by the Jury, will always have a say in all decisions made in parliament.
Maybe my idea has its gaping flaws that I'm just not seeing right now, but for every problem there is a solution.

Essentially I think we need to be aiming for a society based on a Meritocracy though.

This is the op manual for how to establish control. I watched them execute that on education, the rest would be seen as what popular culture has indeed done. I am a bit troubled and cannot accurately analyse the formulaic data but it matches what is happening.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

a reply to: surfer_soul
I guess you don't understand the current separation of Crown and Judiciary we have now in the UK then?

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originally posted by: Robert Reynolds
So would you suggest that the health of a nation should be defined merely by the figures of national accountants? If there is widespread and increasing unhappiness - which I believe there is - the figures published by these experts don't seem to mean much. Talk of a healthy economy seems to do no more than give peace of mind to the already financially comfortable.

A healthy economy, while not indicative of a "healthy nation" or it's happiness, is absolutely required for either to be true. It is simply impossible for the people to be happy and content with their lot if their is mass unemployment, rampant inflation etc.

And I am not "financially comfortable" - stretched to the hilt as it happens - but I don't have my vision clouded by pinko ideals, I am a pragmatic sort and deal with facts and the facts say the economy is looking up - with that comes increased wealth, with that taxation, with that the Governments ability to sort some of this mess out, if they were so inclined. It is totally impossible for the Government to do anything if it has no money and the economy is in the sink.

originally posted by: Robert Reynolds
There's really no need to refute any so called 'facts' until they've been satisfactorily proved.

Everything I said in my post doesn't need "proving" - they are the simple facts of the matter.

originally posted by: Robert Reynolds
I don't really have much faith in the claims of those involved in the financial or political arenas - whether they claim impartiality or not. Call me a cynic, but I'm pretty sure the world is run by liars.

I personally believe the financial system to be privately run scam used as warfare against the masses and that it's thousands of years old.

Odd, there I was thinking you wanted things to be "proved", but here you are discussing your personal opinion as if it were fact, while casually dismissing my extensive post with a one line quip while patting yourself on the back for your wit

a reply to: Soloprotocol

We all know how well you are at predicting the future Solo, so don't blame me if I don't hold my breath waiting for your nihilistic vision to come about, which I actually think is more of a desire on your part than actually based in any fact.

I sincerely hope you are around in 10 years, once you've lived a little, so we can come back and have chuckle over your doom and gloom posting.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: Soloprotocol

We all know how well you are at predicting the future Solo, so don't blame me if I don't hold my breath waiting for your nihilistic vision to come about, which I actually think is more of a desire on your part than actually based in any fact.

I sincerely hope you are around in 10 years, once you've lived a little, so we can come back and have chuckle over your doom and gloom posting.

Keep turning a blind eye Stu. Everything is Hunky Dory in Stu's World.

2,000,000 sanctions since the Tories came to power . Hmmmmm. According to the unemployment figures quoted from Government that's just about everyone unemployed been sanctioned because they dont look for work on a Government job site that has been proven to be full of fake jobs or were 2 mins late for a interview or because a advisor got out of bed on the wrong side in the morning.

2,000,000 unhappy campers and climbing Stu.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Solo, we all know you have a (not very well honed) knack for misrepresenting figures. 2 million sanctions over a 4 year period does not equate to 2 million individuals - many people get sanctioned more than once for repeatedly not adhering to their agreements. What would you rather, people to not bother looking for work or turn up for interviews when claiming benefits and not to get any kind of sanction?

Let's turn it around, shall we? What if I was repeatedly late for work, or failed to turn up at all? I would certainly expect to be "sanctioned" then and quite right too. Or would you have it so I could come and go as I please without threat of "sanction"?

And I don't recall saying everything is "hunky dory", however, I am not about to lose any sleep over those who cannot adhere to a simple regimen of turning up on time and trying to find work, especially when we're importing labour at greater cost (just see the Portuguese bricklayers, for example) because there are no UK citizens filling the jobs.

Solo, while the Universal Jobmatch site has a huge amount of non jobs on it (commission only charity fundraising, courses to learn to become x or y) The majority of jobs posted are in fact real.
It's an aggregation of other job sites.
I was unemployed for a month last year, I got my job off that site.
What I saw in the jobcentre certainly opened my eyes though.
Scruffy morons wanting everything given to them without any effort. That about sums it up.
While my adviser was off looking for another form for me to fill out (Yes, they love their forms) I was earwigging on the lad next door. His ideal job was "a tattoo artist" and he wouldn't entertain anything else. What had he done to help himself in this plan? Nothing, no portfolio of artwork, no intention of visiting any of the shops in town to ask about an apprenticeship. He wouldn't consider an art course at college nor anything that would help him understand the medical aspects (Stopping infection, how to sterilise equipment etc).

The kid was a joke.

He wasn't the only one. Whole lines of people in ripped tracksuits and stinking of cheese (The local, foul smelling version of weed) all demanding they be given everything in exchange for zero effort.

All that said, I wouldn't vote Tory, I'm voting UKIP.