BREAKING: No Charges in Eric Garner Chokehold Case for Officer

a reply to: thrustbucket

I would suspect the Fraternal Order of Police just as they are currently helping Darren Wilson. As well as family I'm sure. You are free to continue to imply that having his freedom is some great liability but I will not be convinced.

Riot police

For a non-riot.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
No matter how I look at this case, no matter what side I see one being on, one constant I think everyone should heed is that it just doesn't make sense to resist arrest. Just do what the dang cops say. Fight it out in court and let them decide.

No cop has ever stopped an arrest because someone said NO. In fact it makes them more angry.

So bite the bullet and just take the cuffs because ending up dead over something LAME like this is not worth it.

You make a good point.

Never resist a cop even when they are in the wrong.

I tried to advise this once here and many didn’t agree with it. But they don’t understand

You see real criminal understands this. You rarely see a real criminal abused by cops cause they know, even Mafioso; it’s a loser to fight a cop.

It’s usually the want-abee criminals who are stupid enough to fight cops and they end up like Brown or this poor sap.

Back in the day, I won’t say why, I was stopped and rousted literally 10’s of times by cops and never had a problem cause I didn’t resist or insult them.

Its business. If they get out of line wait until you have the edge then get your revenges( sue them or whatever) not when they have the guns.

The police officer involved said he became a police officer because he wanted to help and protect people who can't help themselves.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
LEO spokespeople keep saying that they have every right to use every means necessary to take someone into custody once that decision is made, up to and including deadly force.

That's simply not true and anyone saying that is ignoring Tennessee v. Garner.

a reply to: Greven

Just read about that case here.


en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: FraggleRock
a reply to: thrustbucket

I would suspect the Fraternal Order of Police just as they are currently helping Darren Wilson. As well as family I'm sure. You are free to continue to imply that having his freedom is some great liability but I will not be convinced.

Ok. And you are free to continue to imply that having him behind bars would be effective towards anything besides wasting taxes.

The last three words out of this man's mouth was,"I can't breath."

This is an outrage.

Protestors in stand off with police - blocking West Side highway.



New York Police Department vehicle reportedly lit on fire amid protests over Eric Garner grand jury decision - @NYCityAlerts
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a reply to: kosmicjack

There are many places in NYC you can learn escort and restraint holds for bouncers and law enforcement Charles Nelson self defense,aikido,judo,Japanese or Brazilian Jujitsu,hapkido,krav maga and others all cover the material if the academy doesn't; and most martial arts instructors like my own are only too happy to teach LEO's the material,there are any number of wristlocks,armlocks and other holds a competant officer can use,in fact a competant officer can tie you up with his night stick,the strangle/choke used by the officer is an MMA finishing move and it is very dangerous and should only be used on the street in a life threatening situation,basically the officer used excessive force which is at least manslaughter.

originally posted by: DirtyD
The last three words out of this man's mouth was,"I can't breath."

This is an outrage.

After this news story, if I ever decide to resist arrest, those will be my go-to words as well.

a reply to: thrustbucket

Will do. Call me crazy but liability and justice still means something to me. And holding police liable for killing people just as society would any other person is a good place to start when seeking justice.

a reply to: thrustbucket

Him behind bars would be justice.

a reply to: Greven

I'm just giving a synopsis of what the LEO analyst /talking heads/apologists on TV are saying. But I agree with your point.

a reply to: thrustbucket

Good for you, let me know how that works out.

New York cigarette tax: $4.35 per pack, and New York City additional tax: $1.50 per pack.

Motive?

Selling tax free cigs evading those taxes?

originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: mahatche

Whites being mistreated is no justification for the dismissal of racism against blacks though.

So Trayvn Martin, Michael Brown, And this latest one is all about RACE eh ?

More like the media, and a certain group of people in politics. Cherry picking a few events to spin their false narrative.

Trayvon's case defiantly had some.

Zimmerman had a history of violence before trayvon, and since killing trayvon he's gone on to threaten 3 or 4 other people. He told one man "do you know who I am, I will kill you". He is a hero in some minds.

Trayvon threw fingers in pictures, and fought a man who chased him at night, that makes him a thug worthy of death in those same minds.

You don't think any racial undertones helped establish those portrayals? When I was a teen I did everything trayvon is called a thug over, and i grew out of them. I've never done any of zimmermans violent behaviors. Zimmerman is by far the bigger thug.

I don't know if gardner's case is racially motivated. Gardner broke up a fight, and sold some loose cigarettes, which made the cops act like he was a major threat. What inspired them to act this way?

I'm on the fence with the brown case.

Now despite these cases would say there is still problems of racism in America?

So yeah I know this is like a thousand pages back but I had to respond here

Brown...I dunno...I want to think he was innocent but I just don't really feel that way

Martin...this idiot Zimmerman was asked NOT to pursue...and he did...he has a history of violence and continues to be violent....ah but here's the kicker in that case...it's perfectly ok to show pics of Martin being a "thug" but let's make sure Zimmerman's picture is on his good side, maybe like a Christmas sweater or something

This case, to stay on topic, is unreal...I'm not going to get into race on this ((though I have my concerns)) but this is sickeningly stupid. There is a use of force model that anyone who protects/serves must use. Even when I was pulling gun guard on W78 vaults before we started maintenance, there was a use of force model...granted...selling a loosey and trying to abscond with a nuclear warhead are a wee bit different...but even then...there needs to be some level of thought involved by police

And all those saying "heat of the moment"

If you are so inclined in the moment to end a life due to an illegal hold because you are so wound up...maybe it's time to go sell home insurance or something

a reply to: thrustbucket

originally posted by: thrustbucket

There are no rights at the moment of resisting arrest.

This simply isn't true. You have the right to life. You have the right to life even when resisting arrest which is why we discuss what type of force is and isn't justified.

Also, could you please point me to the time-stamp in the video when he is "under arrest"? It looks like he wants Eric to comply with his instructions. However, I didn't see or hear the officer identify a charge or inform Eric at any time that he was under arrest. He went straight for the chokehold.

originally posted by: thrustbucket
You can use whichever words you like. Just keep in mind that some words one chooses to use amplifies or diminishes one's credibility.

It's an odd coincidence. I was about to say that very thing. It isn't just skin deep. There is simply no way to justify what happened. This man should not have died and NYPD was clearly responsible. Arguing over semantics diminishes one's credibility when the truth is there for all to see.

originally posted by: thrustbucket
1: If he were choked to death, there are clear indicators in an autopsy that would show so. There weren't. He didn't die from asphyxiation.
2: Ask someone to choke you, for real, to the point where you can't breath. Then try to yell out words.

If you would really like to argue semantics though:

choke
verb
gerund or present participle: choking
1.(of a person or animal) have severe difficulty in breathing because of a constricted or obstructed throat or a lack of air.

You don't need total obstruction or constriction for choking. He was having severe difficulty breathing as evidenced by his pleas. It was clearly fatal as evidenced by his death. His death was a direct result of NYPD's actions.

originally posted by: compressedFusion
a reply to: thrustbucket

What was the cause of death on the autopsy? Did it have anything to do with choking, lack of oxygen, etc?

If the cop had shouted "Boo!" causing Eric's heart attack, should the cop go to jail?

originally posted by: KyoZero

originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: mahatche

Whites being mistreated is no justification for the dismissal of racism against blacks though.

So Trayvn Martin, Michael Brown, And this latest one is all about RACE eh ?

More like the media, and a certain group of people in politics. Cherry picking a few events to spin their false narrative.

Trayvon's case defiantly had some.

Zimmerman had a history of violence before trayvon, and since killing trayvon he's gone on to threaten 3 or 4 other people. He told one man "do you know who I am, I will kill you". He is a hero in some minds.

Trayvon threw fingers in pictures, and fought a man who chased him at night, that makes him a thug worthy of death in those same minds.

You don't think any racial undertones helped establish those portrayals? When I was a teen I did everything trayvon is called a thug over, and i grew out of them. I've never done any of zimmermans violent behaviors. Zimmerman is by far the bigger thug.

I don't know if gardner's case is racially motivated. Gardner broke up a fight, and sold some loose cigarettes, which made the cops act like he was a major threat. What inspired them to act this way?

I'm on the fence with the brown case.

Now despite these cases would say there is still problems of racism in America?

And all those saying "heat of the moment"

If you are so inclined in the moment to end a life due to an illegal hold because you are so wound up...maybe it's time to go sell home insurance or something

Or, maybe, just maybe in a case like this it is time to go to jail?