It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.


Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.


Where is the Rest of the Technology?

page: 5
<< 2  3  4    6 >>

log in


posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 01:26 PM
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Hey Bass, here's some interesting "sci-fi" that Tom wrote around 5 years ago concerning #2:

"Einstein's first forays into general relativity were spawned by Ernst Mach's theories. Later, once GR was out, there were Machian universe solutions discovered, and although the deSitter model is more mainstream, the Machian universe is the way to go. In a nutshell, Mach had this for a thought experiment. If you were alone in a universe, with no other matter, what speed are you going? If you accelerate, what speed are you going NOW? Would acceleration in such a universe produce the normal effects of inertia? He concluded it would not, and his postulate was that the properties of "inertia" and "mass" were dependent on the existence of external matter, possibly mediated through the electromagnetic force with the photon as the exchange particle. The question becomes, if you could "make it didn't happen" by isolating yourself from the background history of the universe's EM, could you decouple your test mass from the Machian background 'drag' inflicted on it by the EM from distant stellar masses.

The solution ended up involving one of those setups where you effectively slow the speed of light in a medium drastically, which is one reason why you always see the military and DARPA involved with the large scale projects involving that technology. You surround your test mass with a medium that has that property, and you spin it rapidly so that any em field penetrating it has to spiral in forever. If you've ever heard the term bandied about amongst the UFOlogists about a "magnetic field disrupter", that's what it's for, and why. Only you never hear why you'd want to disrupt a magnetic field, or why that would make something easier to accelerate. Until today. (tada!) It's a Mach Effect shield. No one on the inside uses the term 'magnetic field disruption' outside of reference to the ubiquitous rumor, though, and it's got jack to do with mercury plasma. The first ones were liquid helium, although it doesn't work nearly as well as later media. You'd think the structure containing the medium would protrude outside and defeat the purpose, but there's some sort of frame-dragging effect that deals with most of that, and at any rate you don't want to totally shield because if you could, you'd go simultaneous, it acts sort of like a skeg on a ski."


posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 02:25 PM
a reply to: magnecore

This is also occuring with the phony war on drugs. There are an emerging class of chemicals called euchemicals that can enhance cognition, increase energy, increase organization skills, increase fitness levels, grow new brain cells, and even cure blood cancer. Suprisingly, some of the euchemicals are a novel class of psychedelics in the 2C-x series. 2C-x displays their nootropic(cognitive enhancing) effects at sub-psychedelic doses. Prolintane is a safe stimulant with a good safety profile that can be used a few times a week with no withdrawal effects. A modified form of ecstasy can cure blood cancer!
They want to try to keep this technology from us so that people would plunge into fear and/or ignorance and the rich get richer and poor get poorer. Less than 1% of the society owns 40% of the wealth and it's unfair! There's greed and runoff capitalism and the destruction of the constitution and our rights. Rob Portman sucks! Such a bright future that euchemics(better living through chemistry. Not retarded eugenics. Euchemics.) can hold and instead, the funding goes into the military industrial complex, mega-corporations, wall street, and fueling unfairness.

edit on 7-12-2014 by ShadowGhost because: Added more information

posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 05:24 PM
a reply to: Tajlakz

I'm not sure I buy that. I'm not convinced gravitation or inertia is purely an electromagnetic effect, and in any case a really fancy metamaterial or something would only work in some bandpass of frequencies of electromagnetism. Would that only reduce inertia by damping out some """gravitational""" waves in some frequencies? So you might have low inertia (change in vibration/speed of sound e.g.) for some frequencies but not with respect to accelerations at others. If you want a starship, you care about almost "DC" 0-Hz acceleration signals.

A Faraday cage doesn't do anything to prevent accelerations of stuff inside and yet no effects of charge or fields (below a cutoff) outside changes the interior electromagnetically. How do you reconcile that with the notion that inertia is a machian electromagnetism effect?

And how do you spin something so that you get spherical coverage or is that part of the frame dragging magic?

We are left with the fact that the least implausible explanation of the origin of inertia is gravitational disturbances that propagate to and from the distant future out there. Support for this view of reality can be found in Wheeler and Feynman's absorber theory that accounts for electromagnetic radiation reaction forces in essentially the same way. All this suggests that radiation reaction is likely to be an important aspect of gravity and inertia, and that it is worth exploring radiation reaction a bit.

So somehow you would need to couple gravitationally in a novel way to engineer something which was always the problem to begin with.
edit on 7-12-2014 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)

edit on 7-12-2014 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 06:25 PM

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: Tajlakz

I'm not sure I buy that.

Me neither...the whole idea of EM being connected with inertia has been bugging me for awhile, and your comment about faraday cages seems fairly damning to me. Let's see if we can smoke Tom out...

posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 06:46 PM
Without even reading this thread (wich i will do so in due course) i must say that we have alreadyreached a level of tech that would seem like 'magic' to another man.
rest assured i will follow the research & let you know of my results, there are going to be several important articles released between now & 2015, here is one of them, a private thread by me called 'pale horse droppings

Between January 1947 and December 1952 at least 16 crashed or
downed alien craft, 65 alien bodies, and 1 live alien were recovered. An
additional alien craft had exploded and nothing was recovered from that
incident. Of these events, 13 occurred within the borders of the United
States, not including the craft which disintegrated in the air. Of these 13, 1
was in Arizona, 11 were in New Mexico, and 1 was in Nevada. Three
occurred in foreign countries. Of those, 1 was in Norway and the last 2
were in Mexico.
An alien craft was found on February 13, 1948, on a mesa near Aztec,
New Mexico. Another craft was located on March 25, 1948, in White Sands
Proving Ground. It was 100 feet in diameter. A total of 17 alien bodies
were recovered from those two crafts. Of even greater significance was the
discovery of a large number of human body parts stored within both of
these vehicles.
A special group of America's top scientists were organized under the
name Project SIGN in December 1947 to study the phenomenon. The
whole nasty business was contained. Project SIGN evolved into Project
GRUDGE in December 1948. A low-level collection and disinformation
project named BLUE BOOK was formed under GRUDGE. Sixteen
volumes were to come out of GRUDGE. "Blue Teams" were put together
to recover the crashed disks and dead or live aliens. The Blue Teams were
later to evolve into Alpha Teams under Project POUNCE.
During these early years the United States Air Force and the Central
intelligence Agency exercised complete control over the "alien secret." In
fact, the CIA was formed by Presidential Executive Order first as the
Central Intelligence Group for the express purpose of dealing with the
alien presence. Later the National Security Act was passed, establishing it
as the Central Intelligence Agency.

President Eisenhower met with the aliens on February 20,1954, and a
formal treaty between the alien nation and the United States of America
was signed. We then received our first alien ambassador from outer space.
He was the hostage that had been left at the first landing in the desert. His
name and title was His Omnipotent Highness Crlll or Krlll, pronounced
Crill or Krill. In the American tradition of disdain for royal titles he was
secretly called Original Hostage Crlll, or Krlll. Shortly after this meeting
President Eisenhower suffered a heart attack.

The live alien that had been found wandering in the desert from the
1949 Roswell crash was named EBE. The name had been suggested by Dr.
Vannevar Bush and was short for Extraterrestrial Biological Entity. EBE
had a tendency to lie, and for over a year would give only the desired
answer to questions asked. Those questions which would have resulted in
an undesirable answer went unanswered. At some point during the
second year of captivity he began to open up. The information derived
from EBE was startling, to say the least. This compilation of his revelations
became the foundation of what would later be called the "Yellow Book."
Photographs were taken of EBE which, among others, I was to view years
later Project Grudge.
In late 1951 EBE became ill. Medical personnel had been unable to
determine the cause of EBE's illness and had no background from which to
draw. EBE's system was chlorophyll-based and he processed food into
energy much the same as plants. Waste material was excreted the same as
plants. Several experts were called in to study the illness. These specialists
included medical doctors, botanists, and entomologists. A botanist, Dr.
Guillermo Mendoza, was brought in to try and help him recover. Dr.
Mendoza worked to save EBE until June 2, 1952, when EBE died. Dr.
Mendoza became the expert on at least this type alien of biology. The
movie E.T. is the thinly disguised story of EBE.

The Haig-Kissinger depopulation policy has taken over various levels
of government and is in fact determining U.S. foreign policy. The planning
organization operates outside the White House and directs its entire efforts
to reduce the world's population by 2 billion people through war, famine,
disease, and any other means necessary. This group is the National Security
Council's Ad Hoc Group on Population Policy. The policy planning
staff is in the State Department's Office of Population Affairs, established in
1975 by Henry Kissinger. This same group drafted the Global 2000 Report
to the President that was given to Carter.

But as mentioned previously, if you will read Executive Order #11490, you
will see that a "national emergency" may he declared for any conceivable pretense
whatsoever. If the Order itself were activated, here is what would happen: The next
day you and your family would be standing in front of your local post office with your
neighbors; the front door bursting with block-long lines of people waiting to be
registered. After waiting in line with your family for hours, you finally get channeled
through the doors. Once inside, you overhear the postal clerk with his sidearm on
telling a frightened restrant, "Look, there is nothing I can do. The truck behind the
building will take you to a work camp where you have been assigned. Your wife has
been assigned to a factory and there's nothing I can do." Then your son or daughter
looks up at you with a quivering voice and asks, "Dad, why are we here?"

A young ambitious member of the Council on Foreign Relations was
approached. His name is George Bush, who at the time was the president
and CEO of the offshore division of Zapata Oil, based in Texas. Zapata Oil
was experimenting with the new technology of offshore drilling. It was
correctly thought that the drugs could be shipped from South America to
the offshore platforms by fishing boat, to be taken from there to shore by
the normal transportation used for supplies and personnel. By this method
no customs or law enforcement agency would subject the cargo to search.
George Bush agreed to help, and organized the operation in conjunction
with the CIA. The plan worked better than anyone had dreamed. It
has since expanded worldwide. There are now many other methods of
bringing the illegal drugs into the country. It must always be remembered
that George Bush began the sale of drugs to our children. The CIA now
controls most of the world's illegal drug markets.

The core of the organization is three committees made up of thirteen
members each. Thus the heart of the Bilderberg Group consists of 39 total
members of the Illuminati. The three committees are made up exclusively
of members of all the different secret groups that make up the Illuminati,
the Freemasons, the Vatican, and the Black Nobility. This committee works
year round in offices in Switzerland. It determines who is invited to the
annual meeting and what policies and plans will be discussed. Every
proposal or plan that has ever been discussed at an annual meeting of the
Bilderberg Group has come to pass usually within one or two years following
the meeting. The Bilderberg Group is directing the "quiet war" that is
being waged against us. How can they do it? These are the men who
REALLY rule the world.


posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 07:08 PM
Yes time travel is possible under this concept: i have already outlined the theory of the flux-liner as described, no longer able to comment beryond this point;: everything you believe. we have already made1

posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 07:12 PM
In febuary 2015, we will be publishing some of our data........

posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 07:59 PM
a reply to: mbkennel

Spins a good yarn don't it though?

I like that story because its actually multiple things glommed together. It's like Tom said "what will cause the biggest conniption fit in the censors until they finish reading it and breathe out a sigh of relief?"

posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 12:01 AM
Personally I want to know what those damned three lights are on the bottom of the triangles. I believe they have something to do with the propulsion. Not sure if they are EM Engines scooting the triangle along. Podkletnov like generators that somehow push the craft around or reduce it's inertia. Some sort of Plasma WEAVE like emitters that generate lift. Some part of some weird electric circuit like a triad of diodes, maybe there is something on top that acts like the corresponding cathode setting up a field. Maybe it interacts with a superconducting graphene shell for some reason? Maybe it's a group of aharonov - bohm shields. Or Mach effect Shields? But how does decoupling EM forces from the craft supply motion? Maybe they are the business ends of some gravito photon generating doohicky. maybe they are just contained plasma blooms for drag mitigation? Maybe they supply an effect that gets manipulated by some other field around the craft. I dunno. Anyone wanna take a crack at what those lights are?

And I don't think they are part of some cloaking device. I think they got that figured out using other means.

posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 07:53 AM

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Personally I want to know what those damned three lights are on the bottom of the triangles.

Navigation lights.

posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 09:30 AM
a reply to: Bedlam

The big pale blue orb like lights on each point of the triangle. no they do more than that. But it's probably one of those things that if people did know what they are they sure can't talk about them.

I'm just trying to understand what I saw.

posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 10:02 AM
They wont even let people have jetpacks lol. They have been promising robots and Jetsons science since the 40's none of it ever came to the public. Not saying the tech isnt out there its just not for the public to use like we are unworthy or something lol.

This is what has to change the view that people/our society doesnt deserve to use these things.

Take the technology away corporate gain and hand it out like food stamps and government cheese then our society can finally move foward! FTW!

posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 04:19 PM

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Personally I want to know what those damned three lights are on the bottom of the triangles.

Navigation lights.

For others to see It, or for It to see Others?

posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 04:44 PM

originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Personally I want to know what those damned three lights are on the bottom of the triangles.

Navigation lights.

For others to see It, or for It to see Others?

Even UFOs fear...the FAA.

posted on Dec, 8 2014 @ 08:42 PM
a reply to: framedragged

The part about Dirac's sea is intriguing, but putting "uncurled A-potential" into google only leads to Bearden...

posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 03:22 AM
a reply to: Tajlakz

I feel like the nod(s) to Bearden give it more of a 25:75 slant. More a cool story with some incredibly intriguing, yet oddly scattered, tidbits throughout. A hard sci-fi Tom Clancy if you will.

Bedlam! I can guarantee you at least one entire book sale if you ever write a sci-fi novel!
edit on 9-12-2014 by framedragged because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 08:12 AM

originally posted by: framedragged
a reply to: Tajlakz

I feel like the nod(s) to Bearden give it more of a 25:75 slant. More a cool story with some incredibly intriguing, yet oddly scattered, tidbits throughout. A hard sci-fi Tom Clancy if you will.

Bedlam! I can guarantee you at least one entire book sale if you ever write a sci-fi novel!

Didn't I say in that thread it was part fiction? It's been years, I honestly can't recall.

posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 10:17 AM
a reply to: Bedlam


SO is Woodward right?

posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 06:00 PM
a reply to: Bedlam

Yes actually, you were incredibly specific about it. It was like 4 truths and 4 lies.

posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 06:40 PM
I think we are on the precipice of a paradigm shift. Not to be cute, an overused word, but this is the context it was created for.

We just had the first boot-able Quantum computer, and the model it replaced was really an ASIC, so almost everything was in hardware. This programmable version is huge stuff. It proves the entanglement theories, it proves that an electron can be in more than one place at once, infinite parallelism. It can solve what used to be iterative computation, all at once.

It is going to allow problems to be solved that will most likely change our world forever. It could even lead to such obscure technologies as time travel and the mastery of our solar system.

IMHO, but my chips are on that square.

new topics

top topics

<< 2  3  4    6 >>

log in