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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity at least one tiny incremental bit.
at least you have another shred of faith for humanity, i still have none
Do you think there's a part of your brain that makes you different?
i lean towards a childhood event. i have been this way my entire life as far back as i can remember. i just dont care about people all that much...of course not all people. i love my kids. i love my wife...other than that, i dont have much use for people
Was it something that happened to you as a child?
if i had to wager a guess i would say yes..between an event i am getting ready to tell you about and my father being the biggest abusive dick on the planet...when i was 7 someone broke into out house(i still remember his name). he was tuned up on pcp and saw my dads bumper sticker on his car. harley davidson. well this was florida and even at night it was hot so we had the front door open but the screen door locked. he kicked it in and came into the house pointing a gun and demanding my dad give him the keys to his sled. a sled he didnt have mind you. he hit my dad on the head with the butt of the gun and when he did the clip fell out. my mom dove on the clip and the guy and my father started fighting...it went from the front room to the hallway to the kitchen...it looked like the manson family massacre scene. the phone was ripped out of the wall. fridge was knocked over. blood everywhere. my mom was struggling with him as my dad was fighting him. my mom got pushed into the sink and grabbed a knife that was in the sink and jumped on his back and started sawing at his throat. he still wouldnt go down. i was doing nothing but screaming. my mom then grabbed me and ran me across the street to the neighbors, dropped me in their front door and told them to call the cops and then ran back into our house.....from there i dont know how long it was but the cops show up...i also remember my dad was sitting on the porch holding a shirt on his head with blood running down his face and the medics that were there were all tending to the guy that just broke into the house.....that is pretty much my first memory in life. i have fleeting memories but i think its not even that i remember other things but i think i do cause i have heard stories.....i may be wrong but i think that event caused me to be the way i am
Or ... were you just "born this way?" And it's nobody's danged business why you are the way you are.
dont think i was born this way but im not for sure. and it is nobodies business unless i decide to tell them like i am talking to you now
It just is. We are who and what we are. We should all have that right.
we do all have that right and we should. everyone has the right to be happy, safe, secure
Good talking to you Grovit, sorry if i became overbearing at any point.
originally posted by: prisoneronashipoffools
originally posted by: mikeone718
This will be my excuse, going forward, to gain access to the girl's bathroom.
And I thought I was having a bad day
Great. Get started on hormone replacement therapy and when you have felt the full effects of that you tell us how well your plan went.
After all when done you will lose strength and muscle mass, grow breasts, you penis will no longer be able to get a complete erection and will more then likely shrink as well, you will no longer be able to produce sperm and very little ejaculation, you will become far more emotional; with a tendency to cry more at silly little things and not to mention your sex drive will completely change since the majority of the male sex drive is testosterone driven and you will find that you don't have that driving need for release.
Now are you telling me you want to go through all that just to get in a bathroom to spy and perv on women. I doubt it I doubt anyone but people who really are transgendered would bother and any man taking hormone replacement therapy to do so would shoot themselves in the foot because the need that drove them would be dissipated as well.
Sounds like a great plan.....totally legit.
originally posted by: Grovit
from what i am reading it seems that gender has more to do with sociology and culture.
In the Oxford English Dictionary, gender is defined as, "n mod. (esp. feminist) use, a euphemism for the sex of a human being, often intended to emphasize the social and cultural, as opposed to the biological, distinctions between the sexes."
Some people maintain that the word sex should be reserved for reference to the biological aspects of being male or female or to sexual activity, and that the word gender should be used only to refer to sociocultural roles. Accordingly, one would say The effectiveness of the treatment appears to depend on the sex of the patient and In society, gender roles are clearly defined
A working definition in use by the World Health Organization for its work is that "'[g]ender' refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women"
In 2011, they reversed their position on this and began using sex as the biological classification and gender as "a person's self representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions based on the individual's gender presentation.
and on and on
seems to me this girl is a boy....still. despite how she chooses to live
The androgen receptor (AR), also known as NR3C4, is activated by the binding of testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, where it plays a critical role in the forming of primary and secondary male sex characteristics. Hare et al. found that male-to-female transsexuals were found to have longer repetitions of the gene, which reduced its effectiveness at binding testosterone.
A variant genotype for a gene called CYP17, which acts on the sex hormones pregnenolone and progesterone, has been found to be linked to female-to-male transsexualism but not MTF transsexualism. Most notably, the FTM subjects not only had the variant genotype more frequently, but had an allele distribution equivalent to male controls, unlike the female controls. The paper concluded that the loss of a female-specific CYP17 T -34C allele distribution pattern is associated with FtM transsexualism
Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity, gender expression, or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth. Gender identity refers to a person’s internal sense of being male, female, or something else; gender expression refers to the way a person communicates gender identity to others through behavior, clothing, hairstyles, voice, or body characteristics. “Trans” is sometimes used as shorthand for “transgender.”
[T]he American Medical Association released a statement recommending that states not require sex-reassignment surgery in order for a person to change the gender designation on their birth certificate.
The new policy was adopted at the AMA’s annual meeting of its House of Delegates, which last year welcomed the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA) as the first LGBT organization represented among its membership.
“For many transgender people, a needless operation should not be a government requirement to amend a sex designation on a birth certificate,” AMA President Ardis Dee Hoven announced. “State laws must acknowledge that the correct course of treatment for any given individual is a decision that rests with the patient and the treating physicians.”
H-65.992 Continued Support of Human Rights and Freedom. Our AMA continues (1) to support the dignity of the individual, human rights and the sanctity of human life, and (2) to oppose any discrimination based on an individual's sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, race, religion, disability, ethnic origin, national origin or age and any other such reprehensible policies. (Sub. Res. 107, A-85; Modified by CLRPD Rep. 2, I-95; Reaffirmation A-00; Reaffirmation A-05; Modified: BOT Rep. 11, A-07)
Our study has limitations. For example, selection bias has to be acknowledged when interpreting the results of this study as we only enrolled transsexual individuals visiting our outpatient clinic; thus, we cannot rule out bias by self-selection. Furthermore, we have only documented an association between carriage of a CYP17 SNP and FtM transsexualism. A cause–effect relationship cannot be established by an association study. Therefore, the interpretation of our data that loss of a female-specific CYP17 T−34C SNP allele distribution pattern predisposes women to develop transsexualism has to be interpreted with caution. In addition, the control population was not specifically investigated as to their sexual orientation and may also be biased by self-selection.
The corpus callosum was studied in MtF transsexuals because it is larger and differently shaped in men than in women. In 1991, a University of Texas team reported comparing the corpora callosa of 10 MtF transsexuals, 10 FtM transsexuals, 20 control males, and 20 control females. No significant differences were found
BSTc becomes sexually dimorphic only in adulthood, suggesting that differentiation of the BSTc does not cause transsexualism
originally posted by: Heruactic
a reply to: American-philosopher
Think of this as step 1 in preparations for Alien contact. What if aliens urinate by spraying all over the place? What if they just # bricks? They could be less than 1% of the populace, we'd need proper facilities.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
World Professional Association for Transgender Health
Publication: International Journal of Transgenderism Link
The International Journal of Transgenderism is a peer-reviewed academic journal covering research on gender dysphoria, the medical and psychological treatment of transgender individuals, social and legal acceptance of sex reassignment, and professional and public education on transgenderism.
Human Rights Quarterly - "Advancing Transgender Family Rights through Science: A Proposal for an Alternative Framework"
Journal of Psychiatric Research - "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study"
Don't mind these all these professional scientific journals and organizations; just keep repeating "No Scientific Consensus"
(PS: Works for global warming and evolution too!)
One limitation of this study is that the conclusions are not generalizable to MtF the transsexual subjects since we have not included a cohort of non-treated MtF transsexuals. In our pop- ulation, a high percentage of MtF transsexuals start taking hormones without a physician’s prescription before they contact our gender identity unit (Gómez-Gil et al., 2009a), and this precludes their inclusion in the present study. Although we can conclude that there are a priori structural brain differences suggesting masculinization of untreated FtM trans- sexuals, these differences are not seen in the entire brain, but in specific regions of four fascicles. Moreover, we cannot exclude the possibility that their future hormonal treatment and surgical treatments could affect their brain white matter microstructure after treatment. To solve this question pre and post treatment studies or, at least, comparisons with treated groups are needed
originally posted by: Grovit
originally posted by: NavyDoc
You should not be ashamed or embarrassed for being confused on the issue.
not in the least
originally posted by: Grovit
a reply to: NavyDoc
i know my concerns are legit.
thinking about it int he comparison that he mentioned really helps though..
i just dont like implication that i really feel one way but wont say...that type of #
i always say what i feel