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Russia Warns of Recession in 2015

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posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr



And sadly many Russia supporters are stuck in this but fortunately not all cracks are showing in Putins stranglehold.


I knew you would be here but could it be that you have been twitted by reading to much propaganda from the west and don't see any cracks in the massive defictit the west is running.

Do you even know who all this money is owed too ?




posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard




I knew you would be here but could it be that you have been twitted by reading to much propaganda from the west and don't see any cracks in the massive defictit the west is running.


Unlike being twitted by the Russian media and their propaganda.



posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: dragonridr



And sadly many Russia supporters are stuck in this but fortunately not all cracks are showing in Putins stranglehold.


I knew you would be here but could it be that you have been twitted by reading to much propaganda from the west and don't see any cracks in the massive defictit the west is running.

Do you even know who all this money is owed too ?


Your attempting to change the subject on the thread see that's a big indication you don't believe RT either. When you can't disprove the facts only option left is change the subject. Think you'll find that's a rather poor debate tactic.



posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien




RT and other alternative media won`t have to do anything else than to fill in the gaps which are deliberately left by Western MSM in their stories to paint a whole different picture...and that`s actual real journalism.


Or they just make up the stories.



posted on Dec, 9 2014 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: BornAgainAlien




RT and other alternative media won`t have to do anything else than to fill in the gaps which are deliberately left by Western MSM in their stories to paint a whole different picture...and that`s actual real journalism.


Or they just make up the stories.


HAHAHA !

It took you less than an hour to proof you`re full of it.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: BornAgainAlien




RT and other alternative media won`t have to do anything else than to fill in the gaps which are deliberately left by Western MSM in their stories to paint a whole different picture...and that`s actual real journalism.


Or they just make up the stories.


HAHAHA !

It took you less than an hour to proof you`re full of it.


Wait are you trying to deny RT isn't Russian propaganda? ? All you have to do is look at there coverage of the Malaysian flight. At first they reported the sepraises shot down an Ukrainian transport. Than discovering it was a passenger je r went on with expets who asserted it was the Ukrainian military and even had eye witnesses that claimed they saw Ukraine launch the missile.

We'll when there experts and eye witnesses were shown to be wrong RT again respun the story from Ukraine was setting them up to it was an ass in at ion attempt on Putin. That didn't even float a full day since it turned out Putin was over Poland at the time.

We'll that didn't float either so than RT claims Russian intercepted radio transmissions from a BUK launcher and released a two month old satelite photo showing a launcher was mived. Neglected to tell you it was two months earlier. When pushed for the radio transmissions from the launcher they were never produced.

Than came ok the sepratist had a launcher but they were firing at a Ukrainian jet and the pilot caused the missile to lock on to the passenger jet. When they realized that didn't work now suddenly our jet which earlier was avoiding a missile strike was now launching a missile at the plane. Never mind the fact the jet was reported on Radar for 10 secs at 5000 ft. Than relizing this was a bad excuse increased the altitude of the plane but in doing so no new Radar knowing full well radar Data didn't support it.

Than went to well the separtists might have shot it down but Ukraine should have restricted tha air space and it was there fault for not doingetting so. Didn't end there however than they floated the Idea that Ukraine purposely routed the jet there in order to get sepratists to shoot down the plane. We'll this didn't go over well either since they had no business mistaking this for military.

So than they went back to the story ukraine shot it down by another jet. This was all within 1 week and each time they reported it as fact.



posted on Dec, 10 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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Actually, Russia, like every other nation on earth, does borrow money. Their national debt was as high as 99% GDP in 1999 and while it fell during the oil boom years it's rapidly increasing and now stands at 13.5% GDP, up from 12% a year ago, totalling $285 Billion in 2014.

Let's not even get started on how the low oil price is shredding their budget and causing the central bank to hike interest rates and enact capital controls to stifle the free fall they are in
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posted on Dec, 11 2014 @ 02:25 AM
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It took you less than an hour to proof you`re full of it.


And that is the best you can do.

This coming from someone who openly admits he calls a site propaganda but can't prove anything on that site as being a lie.

Your now being shown that your precious Russian media has been feeding you lies after lies and your eating it up like a hungry dog.

Now prove I'm full of it...you can't.



posted on Dec, 11 2014 @ 04:49 AM
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So easy...

Meta-propaganda

Use propaganda about propaganda. Show how they make things up and are deliberately trying to deceive, whilst our messages are based on clear evidence.

If you can destroy one piece of propaganda then you shake belief in anything else they say. Meta-propaganda is hence particularly powerful.

Examples

Show they have control of the media.

Source

The whole freaking side is full of these kinds of things...

Source



posted on Dec, 11 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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It was about tsurfer2000h writing about RT and Globalresearch "they need no help being discredited as they are doing just fine on their own," and if he really thinks that`s the case he wouldn`t be doing it...so it was just a load of BS, because within the hour he resumed with it.

Oh gzjee, about MH17, without a shred of solid evidence Western mainstream media and politicians were able to tell us who did it, so what`s your point, Western media/politicians and RT are all just propaganda all the time?


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posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 01:57 PM
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Western media made no such accusation what they did do is tell us most likely who did it. But until the official report release they cant say for sure who did it. But they can and did present evidence such as the phone calls and said Ukraine made the accusations. See that's called reporting. A news outlet doesn t make claims unless there RT what they do is report what others have stated.

In your world you see this as propaganda its not it's reporters doing there job to report the news. You do realize they reported what Russia had to say as well even had reporters in Moscow talking with th e kremlin. AGAIN RT doesn't do this no alternate view only there stories



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 04:34 PM
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Something like this you mean ?

Poroshenko Lying Again

We just had Tuesday the chairman investigation board for safety saying they are missing important satellite images, and at the same time the Ukraine says they have them. The Ukraine doesn`t even have those kinds of satellites, so they had to come from the US and are not given to the investigators...so a bunch of BS again coming from Poroshenko/Ukraine.

Source



posted on Dec, 14 2014 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: VirusGuard

Actually, Russia, like every other nation on earth, does borrow money. Their national debt was as high as 99% GDP in 1999 and while it fell during the oil boom years it's rapidly increasing and now stands at 13.5% GDP, up from 12% a year ago, totalling $285 Billion in 2014.

Let's not even get started on how the low oil price is shredding their budget and causing the central bank to hike interest rates and enact capital controls to stifle the free fall they are in



You are looking at this the wrong way.

Oil prices have fallen 40% and the Rubel have fallen 40% in compareson, Indirectly Russia have not lost all that much.

- Earlier the Oil pices were 40% higher and the Ruble being 40% higher. So it wont cost Russia more than what we have to pay for energy import. Russia dosent have to pay more for their energy import than they did before.

What People dont see in all this western propaganda is the EU/IMF postition when it comes to the Ukraine economy. The Ukrain curancy is suffering a lot more than the Russian economy. That is a very big problem for the EU and the IMF. Ukraine have holdings to last for 3 weeks. The Ukraine economy is dropping like a bombshell. The EU/IMF are the once who have to bail out Ukraine in two to Three weeks. That is going to create a problem for Germany, because they are the once With a economy within the EU. When the IMF bail out Ukraine in a few weeks whats going to happen to the UK or france?

UKs savings compared to GDP is Worth 11 weeks. THat is just short of Three months. After that the UK is totally broke.

France and the other EU nations are already broke. They cant supply IMF With New cash. This means the EU are going to see inflation sky rocket after New year. Because the EU nations like Uk and France and so on have to start to print imaginary Money.

From that point on Ukraine will collapse and Russia will get Ukraine on sale.

The US cant do much they have 18 trillion dallers in debt to take care of after New year. Their government is going to shut Down. China and Russia will demand theri Money and so will Germany, UK and every other EU nation who have US bonds. THe EU nation will demand it because they have no cash.


IMF have to bail out the Ukrainian economy, if not its game over for Ukraine in January. ANd Russia are the only once who have the assets to take care of Ukraine. That is why Putin is laughing at us.



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edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2014 @ 04:58 AM
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originally posted by: spy66
You are looking at this the wrong way.

Oil prices have fallen 40% and the Rubel have fallen 40% in compareson, Indirectly Russia have not lost all that much.

- Earlier the Oil pices were 40% higher and the Ruble being 40% higher. So it wont cost Russia more than what we have to pay for energy import. Russia dosent have to pay more for their energy import than they did before.


No, I am not. While Russia won't have to worry about importing it's energy or the associated costs of doing so, it doesn't actually manufacture anything of note for it's citizens, so has to import a great deal of other products, from heavy machinery, to technology for those drilling projects, to basic consumer goods. A falling ruble will mean higher costs, not even taking into account the now extraordinary interest rates of 17% to try and stave of total collapse.


originally posted by: spy66
What People dont see in all this western propaganda is the EU/IMF postition when it comes to the Ukraine economy. The Ukrain curancy is suffering a lot more than the Russian economy. That is a very big problem for the EU and the IMF. Ukraine have holdings to last for 3 weeks. The Ukraine economy is dropping like a bombshell. The EU/IMF are the once who have to bail out Ukraine in two to Three weeks. That is going to create a problem for Germany, because they are the once With a economy within the EU. When the IMF bail out Ukraine in a few weeks whats going to happen to the UK or france?


The UK economy is the strongest performing in the entire EU - in the entire Western developed world actually - so not really sure what you think you're chatting about here. Why would any IMF bailout of the Ukraine have any impact on the UK, or even France for that matter?


originally posted by: spy66
UKs savings compared to GDP is Worth 11 weeks. THat is just short of Three months. After that the UK is totally broke.


The UK has been in far, far worse economic positions before and come out just fine. As we control our own currency and have a bloody good credit rating, it is no problem for the Government to raise funds. Again, I have no idea what you think you're talking about here.


originally posted by: spy66
France and the other EU nations are already broke. They cant supply IMF With New cash. This means the EU are going to see inflation sky rocket after New year. Because the EU nations like Uk and France and so on have to start to print imaginary Money.


I can't wait until this (yet again) prophecy of financial collapse comes and goes without so much of a murmur. You are a lone voice out of all the actual economists of the world claiming this. Not to mention that "printing more imaginary money" would actually fuel inflation, so I am also confused why you'd think they'd do this to stave of inflation. Me thinks you don't actually understand what you're on about.


originally posted by: spy66
The US cant do much they have 18 trillion dallers in debt to take care of after New year. Their government is going to shut Down. China and Russia will demand theri Money and so will Germany, UK and every other EU nation who have US bonds. THe EU nation will demand it because they have no cash.


Ignoring the fact that most of the money owed by the US Government is actually borrowed from US citizens, or the fact that Russia hardly holds any US debt to worth worrying about, China is hardly likely to call the debt in as doing so would precipitate a collapse of the dollar and make their debt worthless, causing them to lose everything. So once again, I call you on your BS. Not to mention that a good deal of the debt is held by friendly nations, such as Japan, The UK and even Belgium!


originally posted by: spy66
IMF have to bail out the Ukrainian economy, if not its game over for Ukraine in January. ANd Russia are the only once who have the assets to take care of Ukraine. That is why Putin is laughing at us.


Righto. Putin is sure having such a jolly time right now as the Russian economy collapses in on itself. To be honest, reading your nonsensical diatribe above, it seems you have actually stepped here from some parallel universe where Russia isn't on the brink of it's worst economic crisis in decades as a result of Putin's folly.
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posted on Dec, 16 2014 @ 12:06 PM
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What are you talking about Russia has almost non existent enervy import. So your whole Ppint is silly. See Russia makes its money on energy export if the prices drop they have to either borrow or cut expenses. Cutting expenses will move them further into trouble since there economy is in trouble. Sanctions is making borrowing an expensive option leading to inflation.

Not sure your point on savings in the EU mosteoporosis of them have sufficient funds to handle government with the exception of 3. But they don't act as one unit the EUROPEAN Union is a c operative. Doesn't seem like you get that !

Now my favorite part everyone likes to bring up 18 trillion would be a problem if there GDP was Russias. But it's not it's alot higher and what people fail to under stand is that debt isn't really government spending. It's the amount owed by the treasury dept. In other words you do realize the US government received money when people buy notes. For Example Get a 12 month note for 100.00 and the government gets 100 dollars. In 12 months you get 112.00 . This means government debt on this IOU is 112.00 . What do they actually lose 12.00

See debt is necessary for an economy because that is how mone is transfered. If money doesn't move the economy will collapse. See Russia in this instance a few people control all the wealth.




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