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Islam or Jesus - Which one?!?!

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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 03:33 AM
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Repentance has a dual meaning and like faith can produce works . Becoming a Christian is a matter of faith but walking like one takes the second part of repentance and produces works . The easiest thing I ever did was to become a Christian but was also the hardest thing to act like one and it's this acting part ,or the works that is the hardest .

One of the benefits we get from Christs salvation is peace with God .One of the not so great deals is loosing old habits and still having to deal with our sin . Like I said it's not a easy faith in one respect but it can give you peace with God because it was Him that made the peace and only requires our faith in Him ....best to you in your search , may you find peace a reply to: Rtardx




posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 05:09 AM
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this is like arguing over an english dubbed version of an anime versus the original japanese aname.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: Rtardx

You'll KNOW when You "die" again... Just like the previous times... The "Big3" Judaism™; Chris†ianity™ and Islam™ are ALL Abraham's seed, notice they still have 'in-fighting' centuries later?? You want some of that?

Hint: If You're looking outside of the "Self" the search will be longer...

'The journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step..'- Lao Tzu (Taoism)

"Religion™ is for folks afraid of Hell, 'Spirituality' is for folks that have already been..."- The Great Sioux Nation

You can't be ALL of them if You are One of them.

All the organized religions™ are 'different' This makes them the 'same'. Remove what is the 'same' (and a whole bunch of dogma) and TheTruth will be revealed. You are NOT a human having a "spiritual experience" but a "Spirit" having a human experience...

Look "Inside", anywhere else and the chance of 'distortion' is increased.. Each Self, those in a Body, have a direct link with the One Infinite Creator, Hunab Ku.. See for YourSelf.

The Tao that can be told is NOT the eternal Tao...

Learn, Teach, Have Fun.... repeat. Life/After-Life/re-birth...

www.galactanet.com...

namaste



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 07:09 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: Rtardx
I've been so confused and anxious lately, ...I'm at a stand still between non-denominational Christianity and Islam.


And yet the two are so very different!

Do you believe that Jesus is God Himself incarnate? Then you are a Christian.
Do you believe that God really spoke to Muhammad in a cave? Then go Muslim.
If you believe neither of those then give Buddhism a read.

Basic things to remember - just because a religion claims visions from God doesn't mean that it actually happened. Muhammad offered no proof of his claims. The Old Testament and the Qu'ran are full of stories that have been proven wrong (Noahs Ark, Adam and Eve, Exodus, etc) and full of stories that are highly questionable (Abraham).

If you are confused and anxious then there is a problem. Since you are here and posting, you'll get free advice. Mine is this ... take step back and relax. If something is making you anxious then it's not good for you. Stop polluting yourself with youtube videos and doom porn. Instead, clear you mind and heart and ask for direction ... then listen with your soul and not with your computer screen. You'll feel God's pull in the right direction once your soul is quiet.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 09:10 AM
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As everyone on the forum knows, I was a Muslim.

Recently however, I had a dream. I actually posted it on these forums - when I did, I didn't understand what the dream meant. The next morning after I had that dream however, I saw what the interpretation for the dream was, and that it was Jesus who came in my dream, explaining HIMSELF to me.

Jesus is like us, yet, at the same time not like us. Jesus is there to help us is when we ask. He can clear all our obstacles to heaven and as a matter of fact, we need HIM to, because we cannot do it ourselves. We are all a day late and a dollar short in doing so. But we do have HIM - HE is there ready to help HIS people.

He called me HIS in my dream, HIS people.

And so I was saved. The dream wasn't the first step, it was the last step. God has been guiding me since 2008 to HIM. It has taken that many years to really become a Christian. To truly be able to make the decision to come to HIM. To understand HIM in all honesty.

One week after the 10th of November, the day I invited Jesus Christ into my heart as Lord and Savior. I was filled with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Its amazing. People will call me insane. They will say so many things about all this.. but its all true, even though its not rational. I suppose God isn't rational - at least not in our understanding of the word.

If your considering Islam, I wouldn't. I just left there, and its not a good place. Its not where God is. You wont find salvation there.



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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 09:51 AM
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To be honest, It's my fear of hell and missing out on heaven driving me in my theological research.


to be honest, that sounds awfully self serving and duplicitous. "i dont want to be a christian/muslim because its right, i just dont want to go to hell." peddling your integrity for comfort and convenience.


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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1

Repentance has a dual meaning and like faith can produce works . Becoming a Christian is a matter of faith but walking like one takes the second part of repentance and produces works . The easiest thing I ever did was to become a Christian but was also the hardest thing to act like one and it's this acting part ,or the works that is the hardest .

One of the benefits we get from Christs salvation is peace with God .One of the not so great deals is loosing old habits and still having to deal with our sin . Like I said it's not a easy faith in one respect but it can give you peace with God because it was Him that made the peace and only requires our faith in Him ....best to you in your search , may you find peace a reply to: Rtardx



i have a question. for clarification purposes.

it seems to me like christianity mirrors a few other spiritual systems in its thought and behavior. the only major difference is that its absoluitely crucial to accept this one particular person as your personal savior otherwise it all means nothing.

so if you dont accept this one person as your god but do all the other golden rule stuff because its appropriate and necessary, is that not a worthwhile pursuit? or does failing to check off that one thing out of the entire list still cancel out every good thing you have ever done?

i guess what im saying here is i feel like the only thing that makes christianity what it is, is accepting jesus as your savior. take away that detail and you could basically swap christianity out for a number of other spiritual systems, as far as behavior and philosophy are concerned. this means that you could be something other than christian and still be every bit as good a person as a christian.

thoughts?
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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: PLAYERONE01
this is like arguing over an english dubbed version of an anime versus the original japanese aname.


well, when you put it like that...




posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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double.
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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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Christianity teaches that children are not held accountable for their sins .God could of, if He would have chosen to forgive all but chose not to . I liken that to us as parents choosing not to punish our kids for errors but instead teaching them the differences between right and wrong .But there comes a time when if they choose not to learn then we show them there are consequences and it's our responsibility to do that . In the end though we are free willed to decide for ourselves .God makes His forgiveness of our sins easy for us and takes all the responsibility .

Having said that , there is nothing bad about living the best life you can with the knowledge you have . He just seems to offer a better way in that He alone is responsible for a sinful rebellious creature like man .
a reply to: TzarChasm



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1




Christianity teaches that children are not held accountable for their sins .


Does Christianity teach that children under "the age of accountablity" CAN commit sin?



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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Having said that , there is nothing bad about living the best life you can with the knowledge you have . He just seems to offer a better way in that He alone is responsible for a sinful rebellious creature like man .


so if my biggest detriment is failing to accept jesus as my personal lord and savior, i can consider myself lucky. good to know. thanks!



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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You would have to define what a sin is to answer that . Kids will lie you know . a reply to: windword



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Thanks you have changed my outlook on islam considerably



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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Wow, what an interesting experience! I was unaware of your conversion. Welcome to team Islamic Apostate


It wasn't too long ago that you used to debate me in favor of Islam when I began to present my conclusions and knowledge of the Qur'an's corruption, Muhammad's Medinan power-trip, and all of the separation, disunity, negativity, and hate cultivated by Islam.

Although there are many fine gems of wisdom and ethics to be embraced in Islam,... the egotism, religious superiority complex, hate, violence, and separation of mankind propagated by Islam actually lowers the rank of Islam from an enlightened religion to that of an oppressive militaristic system of domination and conquest. Although I count all humans as dear family,... I must say that my brother Muhammad was more akin to Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great, rather than being compared to Buddha or Jesus.

Assalaamu alaikum and may you be filled with Peace, Love, and Happiness.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

Self-serving? Yes.
Duplicitous? Yes.

Indeed, I only want to join religion out of fear.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

Is lying a sin? Why does a child lie? Why should one be compelled to always always tell the truth, even when it's detrimental their survival, or may cause someone harm.


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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: Sahabi

Woah, them sounds like fightin words. Hope a muslim doesn't read this, but i do agree with you about the religious superiority complex. "We're the world's fastest growing religion"!! As if that's some sort of proof, their's is the the right one.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: Sahabi

lol... those were the days weren't they? hahahaha



Thank you for your kind words, and I wish you the best also!

As a beside, I am planning on writing a free e-book. I will give everyone a heads up when I do. (It will be free, as I do not believe that what was given through the Grace of God can be sold for profit!)
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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: Rtardx
a reply to: OpinionatedB

Thanks you have changed my outlook on islam considerably


If you ever want to talk feel free. Its a lot to try and fit into a few words.. but if you ever need me for anything, I am happy to be here for you. I can explain further or anything you might need.



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