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Islam or Jesus - Which one?!?!

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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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I've been so confused and anxious lately, I know the moment when shtf is coming inevitably, and I feel like i'm running out of time. And currently I'm at a stand still between non-denominational Christianity and Islam. All these agendas, being promoted in the media subliminally seem to be largely anti-christ, as well as all the secret societies, and all the other religions seem to be geared towards deception. But then there's Islam, The free masons are harassing these guys, and there seems to be a number of, for the most part, largely unsupported. I definitely believe there could be some connection between Saturn, Matrix, and the Kabba.

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And let's not forget the Allah/666 connection


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And this stuff makes comeplete sense to me, but the thing is, these viewpoints are way to mainstream for me not to be skeptical about and their source is from an occultist.

Really need some help and input here.




posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Rtardx

The doom porn of religion is NOT truth.The creator God is not the “convoluted crazy monster” religions paints.There is no great coming cataclysmic “apocalypse”(apocalypse which means unveiling) by the creator God to “destroy” the earth and mankind.There are no “sides” to choose to be safe.The world/physical realm doesn’t function that way.

There is no judgement of “eternal heaven or eternal punishment hell” depending on your religious beliefs.The fact is ALL of mankind WILL(not presently in this age) be delivered/saved from Hades(which means the realm of death and imperception).It will be 100% the action of the creator God with ZERO input from you or anyone else.In other words you can do NOTHING to save yourself it is all “being” done TO you not by you through religious belief or ANY method of man.

My suggestion is live your life according to your nature and character(your name)because …..that is all you can do.You have ZERO to fear of the creator God.They are not your enemy. Your greatest enemy can be (and is for most) the person in the mirror when they live in fear.
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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Rtardx

Do what you feel is best for you. Christianity and Islam are not the only options you know. In my opinion, believing that those two (or any religion for that matter) are the only ways to... wherever the hell it is we go after we die... is kind of naive.

For instance I am a Discordian. I have no preconceived notions of grandeur or death cults. Just no hot dog buns...



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: Rex282

How do you know that?



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat

Naive? Yes. To be honest, It's my fear of hell and missing out on heaven driving me in my theological research. And since I'm no sherlock holmes, I have nothing to rely on but faith. Or I could become sherlock holmes, and not have to rely on faith, but by the time i became sherlock holmes i might've ran out of time!

Quick question, Do you the media is or is not promoting an agenda and do you deny the current fulfillment of these religious prophecies?



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: Rtardx

There are many more options out there than the two Abrahamic big boys



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:48 PM
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Hi.

I'd like to offer you an alternative. Some call it a religion, and I am okay with that title, because if they want to call it a religion, mine is much more rewarding than theirs in every possible scenario.

Science.

Yes, I want you to understand that Science and Scientists have the answers you seek. Why do you feel a certain way? Why do things happen the way they do? What happened before I was born? What will happen after I die?

Science has answers.

Science doesn't try to answer every question, because some things are unknowable, and that's okay, because if it's unknowable, no one else knows either, and as such, no one's opinions of the unknowable are any less valid than your own. Well, that is, unless you are basing your opinions on phenomena that have been previously attributed to superstitions that have since been discounted by Science.

Science not only has answers, it has workable solutions. Technology is the direct result of Scientific Inquiry. No tech comes from any other religion. You won't find the blueprints for a wi-fi receiver in the I Ching or Torah! You wont find the medicine you need to help keep you healthy in the Gospels.

Science.

Come on over, we welcome any with inquisitive minds.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:51 PM
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I gave Bob my 20 bucks. I get eternal salvation or triple my money back.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Rtardx

There are many more options out there than the two Abrahamic big boys


Yes, possibly, an infinite amount and i doubt that these 2 are the right ones. But when I say jesus, I don't mean any denomination, but just jesus himself. I'm only so prioritized with these 2 because they seem to be related to the curent agendas going on.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington

No, good luck relying on mainstream government-funded scientist to do the thinking for ya. How many lab experiments have you participated in?



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: Rtardx

Well that feeling of fear is exactly what most religions want you to feel. That is why I often refer to organized religions as "fear based religions" because they operate on the premise that one must fear hell and devote ones life to the church in order to avoid said hell.

I personally don't approve of being scared into believing God. I also feel that those that give in to the fear are weak willed.

To answer your questions, the media is definitely promoting an agenda. Do I believe it is religiously motivated? No. Spiritually? Absolutely. There are no fulfilled prophecies so far as I know. I don't believe in prophecy. Especially prophecy motivated by religion.

Kallisti


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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: Rtardx

I am not going to prostletizes my own choice (neopagan Druidry) but it marries well with my career as a Scientist. The Abrahamic faiths have never worked for me, and I attended a Christian high school (as a neopagan ... not a great time
) for whatever reason my agnostic family saw fit.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: skunkape23

Damn sub genius ....



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: skunkape23

TRIPLE!!!!

This is an outrage! Or is it an inrage? Either way I was only promised a crappy Subway coupon... and even that expired in 1994...

Triple!?

Dammit man...

Hail Eris skunkape!
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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: Rtardx




I have nothing to rely on but faith.


Why isn't that enough? What else does anyone have?



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: Rtardx

Good Evening Rtardx,

Funny name by the way! In regards to your question on "Islam or Christianity?", I'd like to suggest that you pray about it. Just pray to the God you feel is calling you, and don't worry about God's name for now.

I am a Christian, and I can tell you from personal experience that it has really changed my life. I was raised a catholic, but never had a real relationship with God until I was in my early 20's. In fact, I was anything but a christian. I drank heavily, had sex before marriage, and used drugs recreationally often.

The good thing about Christianity (Christ) is that Jesus accepts you and died for you as you are. You do not go to hell for your sins, but rather you go to hell for the rejection of the Savior whose blood was sacrificed for you. You don't have to change your ways to be a christian, but I can tell you that once you get a relationship with God, you will want to. It is a slow process. I'm not perfect (far from it) but God will move in you.

If you are serious about learning about Christianity or have any questions, message me and I will give you my contact information. I'm more than happy to discuss anything with you (even the tough stuff lol).
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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: windword

Agreed, religion/spirituality are about faith. Mind you it can take a long time to find a path that acutally fits. I'm more open minded than some, and assume there are many deities out there (including the Abrahamic one, he's just not omni anything) and you have to look. Even with deity there are many philosophies to explore too.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat

am i weak-minded? Yep. but i be workin on that. but what if all of this, regardless of whether it makes rational sense, is true and that there is some dogmatic entity out there that don't give a hoot?



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: Rtardx
a reply to: AgentShillington

No, good luck relying on mainstream government-funded scientist to do the thinking for ya. How many lab experiments have you participated in?

I've participated in 2. I was rejected from one after 3 days, but they still paid me 400 bucks.
The other one was testing some sort of experimental blood pressure medication. I had a boner for 2 weeks straight. It paid 3 grand.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Noinden

You should be able to explore philosophies without fear of going to hell because of it. That's what faith is for.



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