a reply to: Noinden
I'm not chiding anyone
I do not intend to stir hostilities, but it sure appears condescending and chiding to say things such as:
"Sigh This thread had a great deal of potential, but its now become a dogma fest."
"What confuses me is the quick segway into the classical 4 elements, but I guess it is what people are msot familiar with."
It was actually you
who were the first to mention the "classical 4 elements" in this thread. The OP did not mention the "classical" 4,
but instead, mentioned a triad of Air, Water, Death,.... with the inclusion of a 4th (Creator),... and the consideration of a 5th (Heaven). The OP and
myself later discussed the "classical 4" in continued speculation of the op's initial 3, 4, and 5.
"I was offering alternatives, which is more than anyone else has done."
In my opinion, Akragon
gave wonderful on-topic and supplemental information
directly related to the op, and others beside yourself gave alternatives.
Instead of elaborating on the specific 3, 4, and 5 archetypes of the op,... you ignored it to speak of different 2, 3, and 9 systems of the
Indo-Europeans and Gaels, and to defend and propagate your understanding of paganism.
"if the Greeks did it, every one else in the area must have"
Incorrect. This has nothing to do with giving priority to Greece or incorrectly attributing anything to paganism. The OP actually mentions this
sharing of archetypes between the Sumerian, Canaanite, Greek, Roman, and Indian mythologies.
"I am always amused when people get bent out of shape when someone challenges their belief system."
"I also seem to have angried the natives up."
I have not a single belief to defend or propagate in this thread. I even said that any and all numbers, elements, and archetypes are merely for our
own individual understandings and reasonings. All systems are lacking and none are absolute. Why? Because no matter what we name a thing, it will
always "Be What It Is." No set of archetypes, elements, or numbers can contain the true essence of existence. "It is what is is."
I am simply seeking discussion related to the op to better understand why these archetypal systems are shared by the Greeks, Romans, Canaanites,
Sumerians, and Indians. A way different Indo-European or Gaelic system is for another thread and a different discussion, unless you can come
full-circle to relate it directly to the triad of Air, Water, and Death, or with the inclusion of a 4th Creator and a 5th Heaven.
"you are being rather sensitive which makes me wonder a number of things."
I had no idea that discussing your replies was synonymous with sensitivity. I called you my brother, which is how I feel about all humans, and I also
communicated in a clear fashion.
Perhaps it is my fault that somehow you incorrectly assume that I am "sensitive", or "bent out of shape", or "angered". These character attacks aren't
Since you are familiar with Indo-European and Gaelic systems,.... could you please elaborate for us if there are any significant correlations to the
specific groupings of (Air, Water, Death), or (Creator, Air, Water, Death), or (Heaven, Creator, Air, Water, Death)
I'd love to learn more about Indo-European and Gaelic systems, but that is for another thread. Perhaps you could make one?
edit on 12/3/14 by Sahabi because: (no reason given)