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originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: stosh64
I don't discount antediluvian cultures. I just tend to think that, if unknown pre-history civilizations existed, that it was tens of thousands of years (even hundreds of thousands) before the supposed flood/cataclysm.
However… there's precious little fossil record or archeological record to support such theories.
Our current ideas of the Tiwanaku culture hold that they had no writing system and also that the invention of the wheel was most likely unknown to them.
originally posted by: stosh64
Please tell me how things like this were accomplished by our ancient ancestors.
There isn’t much written on this that’s available to the non-specialist, and most of what is available isn’t in English. At the risk of directing readers to a source that won’t be much use since it’s in French, I still think it’s useful to demonstrate that scholars have put serious thought into the trilithon, and have come up with workable solutions that have been successful in analogous situations (in this case, something even bigger than the trilithon – yes, ancient alien enthusiasts, the trilithon is NOT the largest object moved without modern machines; keep reading).
Despite the apparent simplicity of this energy source, we prefer to look to the human powered, with which the weakness in muscle is compensated by the extreme technical elaboration of the device multiplier used. In the event of a traction provided by the duration of the capstans, movement is a bit longer, since it multiplies the distance traveled by the load, in favor of the force and must ensure the in place and anchor machinery. The advantage of this method lies in the extremely small number of workers needed and the greater accuracy of the progression, allowing rigorous implementation of blocks the one above and beside the other. . . . Each capstan bar with four men using it would make 24 in total. . . . The force exerted directly by the capstan 24 men and six bar is at 20 kg per man of 480 kg. Taking center force application to 1.70 m from the center of rotation and a radius of drum of 10 cm, this force becomes (by a form winch) 8160 kg. Four cables of hemp, each providing four tons of traction, wind around the drum and by acting on the load through a hoist with two pulleys, generate a power of 16,320 kg of the machine; 13,056 kg reduced power by the coefficient of friction. Six of these machines, involving 144 men and providing traction power of 78,336 kg must allow, with a margin of excess power always useful, the transportation of each block of trilithon.”
originally posted by: IndependentAgent
originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: IndependentAgent
As more accurate dating methods are developed and more data comes in, the numbers will change accordingly. This is a good thing, it's how science works.
You can't really compare the results of dating methods from over 300 years ago and methods from today and conclude "the ages have changed, the science can't be trusted". A hell of a lot more has change over the last 300 years than just dating techniques.
Let us then only look at 2013, where the age was 4.3 BYO. At what stage should we trust the age? Because that means that after 300 years, science is in a way still not accurate.
originally posted by: IWasHereEonsAgo
originally posted by: Hellhound604
a reply to: IndependentAgent
well, according to some in 2014, the earth is only 6000 years old....
Or that one girl from Facebook who thought it was 2014 years old.... gotta love religious idiots.
It was my intent in posting the chimpanzee tool-making video that you would understand that your reference to older tools doesn't necessarily mean there was any civilization around at the time the old tools were in use. Also, I think you misread your source if you think it even implies 7 million year old civilizations...it doesn't.
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Arbitrageur
Yeah I get that, but you conveniently missed my point as to when human civilization started ie 7 million or 11,000 years ago.
The human development it's referring to is evolutionary ancestors, not civilization. It mentions the oldest human civilization but it doesn't give an age and the timeline provided clearly shows it's not 7 million years. It's also not an original source...it links to another source which I followed, and got another link to another source, and that led me to a domain called africancontributions.com which is for sale and has no content.
Africa provides a comprehensive and contigious time line of human development going back at least 7 million years. Africa, which developed the world's oldest human civilization, gave humanity the use of fire a million and half to two million years ago.