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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 05:00 AM
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Jesus was basically murdered. The bible says to pursue justice and justice alone and to pursue love.

Do you have any justice you can bring to the case of Jesus. What words or actions or deeds do you bring to this thread to bring about some long denied Justice for Jesus. Perhaps you believe Jesus has Justice. Is there room for more. Perhaps your own brand.

So yeah Justice for Jesus. Your style.

What about the truth. Jesus said we can know the truth and it will set us free. The truth will bring about modern day justice and rapture the world. Remember the truth when using Justice.

I guess the simple fact is we don't know the truth. But I say where is the justice in that.

Pursue some modern day justice for Jesus. Until it is enough.

What are some things you perceive as justice for Jesus in this modern day.

I want to here your opinions about Justice for Jesus. Where are you at. Where's your ead at.




posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 05:22 AM
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meh, justice is not needed.
it was more a suicide.
At any point he could have Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo'd his way out of it.
So why look for justice?
He was cool with it, probably an S&M fan at heart.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 05:23 AM
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"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do"
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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: leeda

Father Forgive them for they know not what they do.

Justice is not vengence and only god may truly take vengence.

Judge not lest ye be judged.
Let he that is without sin cast the first stone, non did ,then neither shall I ,He that was without sin cast his stone upon the ground showing his mercy so who are we to deny his mercy that he has given freely to those that crucified him.

The Truth shall set you Free, that is God's Truth or the real unbiased truth not that from the mouth of a man or the schewed interpretation of man.

I know what it is to be angry and have suffered injustice myself, far worse those I care about and love had suffered even worse but take the usual abuse of the bible that occurs.

God said this.
clearbibleanswers.org...

If a generation is 25 years then the Jew's who have suffered persecution and accusation where only really persecuted for the crucifixion of christ well after the fist century (though they had already been persecuted by Rome after the Jewish revolt) indeed emperor constantine who made Christianity the state religion of the Roman empire and ended persecution of the christians was only born in 272AD so that mean's over 10 generation had passed since the time of the Crucifixion, though it is possible some of the fourth generation may still have been alive but very old and so if god punishes to the third and fourth generation who therefore is behind the continuing punishment and persecution that goes againt both the word of the father and the mercy of the son, could it be the Devil keeping the house divided and making generational hatred born of unjustified persecution.
Can the Jew's ever forgive 1800 year's of unjustified persecution, pogrom, holocaust, rape, murder and hatred.
Can we ever forgive those among them who now hate us as much as those that were behind this hated them.
Can Christ or the Father ever forgive either side for there error's.

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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 05:43 AM
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originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
meh, justice is not needed.
it was more a suicide.
At any point he could have Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo'd his way out of it.
So why look for justice?
He was cool with it, probably an S&M fan at heart.


As you judge so shall you be judged.
As you measure so shall it be measured unto you, what measure you use shall be used against you.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: leeda

Your answer is simple if you reflect on the scripture that is provided from the Father. Use the Names of God Bible and you can know the difference between Elohim (Father), Ruach Elohim (Mother) and Yahweh (Son/Adonai/Lord). It all makes sense when you know the facts. I didn't know this until just recently. I had to go through a period of seeking to get the final answer, but now I have it. Doubt ends in faith if you seek.

As I showed in my last few threads, before entering reality as Yahweh, the Son of God willingly took on the position as Lord. The error in his creation was shedding Adam's blood, dividing the image of God (both male and female) and then continually shedding blood in the rest of the OT. The reason he proclaimed himself God is likely a condition of involution into material reality. Inconscience is the process to forget who you are, then to rise back to the Spirit again. You can read this on the WIKI of Involution and Evolution (Baptism). Yahweh experienced this, which is the only thread I have left to write.

The Father (Elohim) said this to him in Genesis 9.

6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.

By his own sin, he had to become a lamb (child human kinsman) to pay the debt, thereby paying it for mankind. Man was never guilty. This is why the spotless lamb made the choice to allow free will and the possibility of what that means for man as well. The result will be what the Father intended: Free will with the choice of the proper will--giving and receiving. Taking makes us a thief. There are many other benefits as well. To value the highest good, we must first know the lowest evil. Poe puts it best.

V. All things are either good or bad by comparison. A sufficient analysis will show that pleasure in all cases, is but the contrast of pain. Positive pleasure is a mere idea. To be happy at any one point we must have suffered at the same. Never to suffer would have been never to have been blessed. But it has been shown that, in the inorganic life, pain cannot be; thus the necessity for the organic. The pain of the primitive life of Earth, is the sole basis of the bliss of the ultimate life in Heaven. MESMERIC REVELATION

The Father knew what it would take to develop sentience with the proper will to give. He must allow us to first be thieves, giving room for us to choose His will. The Son of God had to do the same. By his example on the cross, we each learn what it means to be the suffering servant.

From each member of the Trinity, we learn.

Father - Faith / Strength / Invariance
Mother - Holiness, Grace and Compassion / Invariance
Son - Humility / Sin / Invariance at the end by turning back to the Father and Mother (Peace)

Each member had an age.

Father - Adam to Abraham - 2000 years (2 days)
Son - Issac to Jesus - 2000 years (2 days)
Holy Spirit - Mary to Today - 2000 years (2 days)

We are not sure who the next incarnation will reveal, but I assume Christ will be both male and female again, thereby restoring the original image with his blood. He will be Holy and Lord God Almighty. It may be that the Holy Spirit manifests in all humanity individually. This is my guess from the pattern. War will destroy evil in the world by taking the phoenix to ashes first. I do not agree with this, but God's will has been this pattern. Since death is an illusion, war is likely the same. Eternity of bliss requires a short period of chaos first. I do see why it is necessary in light of what we inherit from the journey. I just do not agree that it is the only way. Either way, His will and not my own.

Who will remain hidden for 1000 more years of rest? Elohim (Father) and Ruach Elohim (Mother). They are the original 2 in 1 from Genesis 1. Yahweh is the Son starting in Genesis 2 with his world.

This will all be revealed in the coming age of rest. As of yesterday, I get the story. My threads are a chronicle of my path to the answer. Feel free to read the threads.


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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: leeda




Jesus was basically murdered.



How so?

When you know the consequences of your actions and you go ahead and act anyway how can the consequence be murder?




I want to here your opinions about Justice for Jesus



When a man chooses his path he need no justice as he is his own justice.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: InhaleExhale

As I state in my post above, Genesis 9 is the requirement that Yahweh willingly followed to the cross:

6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.

Elohim is the Father making the requirement. Yahweh is the Son. After Malachi 4, there is a 400+ year gap of silence from Yahweh. He is then never mentioned again. Why? Jesus is the birth of the Son (Baptism of Yahweh) leading to the final payment on the cross of mankind. He also paid his own debt as a Kinsman to man. Only one could ever do it. He had to first be the lowest of all creatures to become the highest. First and Last. He made Satan, his own lower nature. God the Father makes the enemies the footstool as 1 Corinthians 15 points out. Then, God hands the kingdom to the next incarnation of the Son that is coming.




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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 07:15 AM
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a reply to: AlephBet

AlephBet,

For me you go very deep into your research and understanding,

I have tried to follow to your threads and posts but you go way to deep for my attention to keep up with.

I believe you have found something that you wish to share with as many as possible,

I am only a spectator in this game of life, one who acts only when the balance sways a little too much to one side.

I sort of get that we said the same things in our posts? just you say it using scripture to back your view which I respect a fair bit as it shows a great intelligence on the matters you bring up.

I see Leeda, the OP make many posts, well not may but when ever time they post, they (in my opinion) are crying out for help each time and cant find the strength to transform from being a victim into something they believe the deserve.

I try and help in my own way, but do question if I do more harm to them with the way I have challenged Leeda in the past to respond.

I like to ask many questions that I think the answers to, just to see if the same questions will give them strength like they have me.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: leeda

If you hold the beliefs that most Christians hold, then you believe that...

He was chosen by God The Father from the foundation of the world to die for the sins of the world. He already knew he would die and rise again 3 days later. He said "not my will, but thy will be done", therefore Jesus The Son agreed to go along with what God The Father had planned and there was never any injustice. He agreed and went along with it and God The Father planned it all.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: leeda

"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind..." Gandhi

I'd opine that Your query would depend on How Jesus is being "used" this time?? Is He the low-bidding carpenter that got railroaded on that kitchen remodel in B'Hem? Or the One where He asked why TheChurch™ continued to build Cathedrals and Shrines, the Heads were putting $$ in their pockets while He walked by 100s and 1,000s w/out enough to eat?
Or the One where "many" the world over will give their $$$ to folks that having been running stores/commerce and then have their 'blow-out' at the end of the year, this after KILLING perfectly fine, healthy LIVING trees and then placing un-needed commercial crap underneath??

You know who needs the "justice" ?? Judas. Jesus' bff, the world's first Lee Harvey, Cain running a close 2nd if these "players" are Your religion™ (each has their own "casts"...) Isn't "Compassion" part of the game? Then why is Judas still vilified??

I guess if We were to be 'honest' perhaps Adam's first wife, Lilith should also be 'forgiven'??? And because We are now KNEE DEEP in "Yin, The Devine Feminine" I vote that Lilith be exonerated ALONG with Judas and Cain....



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
meh, justice is not needed.
it was more a suicide.
At any point he could have Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo'd his way out of it.
So why look for justice?
He was cool with it, probably an S&M fan at heart.


As you judge so shall you be judged.
As you measure so shall it be measured unto you, what measure you use shall be used against you.


I'm rubber, you're glue, what bounces off me, sticks to you.
I know you are, but what am I.
Liar liar pants on fire.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: sn0rch

Hmm immature, when the room turn's upside down and the ceiling is on fire would you not rather be the glue.

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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: sn0rch

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
meh, justice is not needed.
it was more a suicide.
At any point he could have Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo'd his way out of it.
So why look for justice?
He was cool with it, probably an S&M fan at heart.


As you judge so shall you be judged.
As you measure so shall it be measured unto you, what measure you use shall be used against you.


I'm rubber, you're glue, what bounces off me, sticks to you.
I know you are, but what am I.
Liar liar pants on fire.

I had the entire scenario at hand start to finish first Act to last. I knew I was creating an archetype. I knew my destiny even as a 12 year old boy *its too much* don't make me do this; the sacrifice for all sins of the human. God says, Nope, you boy are the poster child for all sin ever past created or future commiited. Jesus says "wait a minute, so sin is okay because I for all time forgive it, so all sins are immediately forgiven" (by my managed 'blockbuster crucifixion') MANAGER: God says' Yes son, you actually are doing a greater harm than what the ideology promotes because you forgave the sinner before its occurant 'sin' thereby giving the future act/action of sinning a go ahead without incurring punishment" or pardoned even before it HAPPENED. Who thinks this catch 22 mousetrap ridiculousness up?
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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 08:21 PM
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Ah but you missundertand, only those that Repent and what is true repentance, it is not I would have done it anyway, christ is not a meal ticket he is a leader.

He that would save his life will lose it and he that would lose his life for me shall save it.

Jesus does not forgive the unrepentant sinner but he does say "I will forgive them what they do not know/understand".

You know there is a valley in part of the himalaya's and there is a legend that a buddhist monk took the bad kharma of the valley and it's people upon himself at a time when they were suffering a terrible famine and disaster's.

Oddly some archeaologist's found a cave with a sealed door and when they opened it they found the mummified remain's of a tibetan buddhist monk still holding his prayer bead's and sitting cross legged, he had apparently had himself sealed into the cave and the entrance blocked, when they attempted to take the body for science there was an earthquake and bad thing's started to happen, the villager's begged them to return there monk to his cave and when they did the valley returned to normal.

You have to be willing to give your karma if you like to call it that to Christ, he is not a free meal ticket so don't make that mistake.

Blessed are the merciful for they shall recieve mercy, what does that mean if you think he simply forgive's and forget's, he does not, he forgives the truly repentant and he know's your heart.

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

I am not of the world.
Take up your cross and follow me.

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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: leeda
Jesus was basically murdered. The bible says to pursue justice and justice alone and to pursue love.

Well, was it murder driven by fear of others or suicide as becoming a martyr so in love with an idea to create an archetype.


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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: sn0rch

Hmm immature, when the room turn's upside down and the ceiling is on fire would you not rather be the glue.


Immature? I thought we were playing the random generic inanity game. And hey, you started it.

What does that even mean, when the room turns upside down and the ceiling is on fire? Why would the room turn upside down? Why would the ceiling burn? It doesn't even make sense.

Somehow I think the room will remain upright. And unless you are planning on burning the house down, which is a crime, and you should seek help for your pyromaniac tendencies caused by your zealous religious fervor, then I don't think I need to worry about jesus or god and some vague outcome from my lack of submission to fairy tales.

But hey, if the room does suddenly turn upside down and I find my ceiling ablaze, well I'll just put the bottle of vodka down.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Ah but you missundertand, only those that Repent and what is true repentance, it is not I would have done it anyway, christ is not a meal ticket he is a leader.

He that would save his life will lose it and he that would lose his life for me shall save it.

Jesus does not forgive the unrepentant sinner but he does say "I will forgive them what they do not know/understand".

You know there is a valley in part of the himalaya's and there is a legend that a buddhist monk took the bad kharma of the valley and it's people upon himself at a time when they were suffering a terrible famine and disaster's.

Oddly some archeaologist's found a cave with a sealed door and when they opened it they found the mummified remain's of a tibetan buddhist monk still holding his prayer bead's and sitting cross legged, he had apparently had himself sealed into the cave and the entrance blocked, when they attempted to take the body for science there was an earthquake and bad thing's started to happen, the villager's begged them to return there monk to his cave and when they did the valley returned to normal.

You have to be willing to give your karma if you like to call it that to Christ, he is not a free meal ticket so don't make that mistake.

Blessed are the merciful for they shall recieve mercy, what does that mean if you think he simply forgive's and forget's, he does not, he forgives the truly repentant and he know's your heart.

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

I am not of the world.
Take up your cross and follow me.


STOP USING APOSTROPHES.

It makes the baby Jesus grammar teacher cry.


It must be a terribly sad world that you inhabit, where your life is dictated by imaginary concepts. I wouldn't even be bothered if you weren't so sanctimonious about it all. Preaching your superiority over others. This is what irks me about religion, it fosters the weak mind of the average human animal and gives them the illusion of legitimate arrogance over others. When they are not even that well equipped to sustain life without an imaginary ball and chain to prevent them from falling off a cliff.

My mother was a christian. She never badgered anyone. She was a good christian. her faith was personal.

Then we have those that proselytize and condemn others, and that's just so damn annoying.

You spout an inordinate amount of arrogance based on imaginary things. you need a mental health practitioner, not the bible. Unlike the people who use the book to better themselves find relief within it, you use it to attack others. Delusion.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing


LABTECH767: Ah but you missundertand, only those that Repent and what is true repentance, it is not I would have done it anyway, christ is not a meal ticket he is a leader.
He that would save his life will lose it and he that would lose his life for me shall save it.
Jesus does not forgive the unrepentant sinner but he does say "I will forgive them what they do not know/understand".

Oh, there are conditions unsaid (to be meted out LATER) at the witness of the initial crucifixion (the small print at the end of the contract). Not sure Jesus was fully informed of this eventual history/aftermath he would be responsible for as its ICONIC central player/figure (would you like to be figuratively portrayed on a torture device for time immemorial)?.


LABTECH767: You know there is a valley in part of the himalaya's and there is a legend that a buddhist monk took the bad kharma of the valley and it's people upon himself at a time when they were suffering a terrible famine and disaster's.


I do, and that place exists in another dimension they can access physically and mentally. Its also the place of wonders, all things growing there can cure all of mankinds ailments (including the most pervasive cancers, Buddhist know the secrets of healing, just for some reason keep that knowledge close) I CRY UNFAIR. Did you know they are also the keepers of the monolithic giants (their progenitors). One is 21 foot tall, the other 19; a man and a woman mummified; encased in gold. Those Buddhists, sneaky to the end.


LABTECH7l67: You have to be willing to give your karma if you like to call it that to Christ, he is not a free meal ticket so don't make that mistake. Blessed are the merciful for they shall recieve mercy, what does that mean if you think he simply forgive's and forget's, he does not, he forgives the truly repentant and he know's your heart.


Ive not entirely bought in on the theory of 'Karma', it seems to be a good way to blame everything upon something (gave it this name; convenient) and so not sure Jesus would be comfortable taking on this false burden some human dreamed up. Come on I do not recall this idea surfacing in the Bible. Blessed is the one that has COMPASSION/EMPATHY for their fellow humans.


LABTECH767: Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. I am not of the world. Take up your cross and follow me.

This is a good message, and have at ready a handy cross; do not covet material 'things' WAKE UP to whom you are intrisically instead; which is a spiritual eternal being/soul 100 legged centipede or some other life giving insect "BEE". You are of the 'earth/world' and your experience is coveted by those existing from the fourth and beyond. You should relish/cherish your experience here (a ticket sold) to experience the planet earth now amusement ride of a lifetime, would cost according to Mike Myers: "ONE BILLION DOLLARS" to experience.

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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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So you resort to using personal attack's to back up your argument and attitude, did I ever say I was a good christian, I am merely trying to point you right, not that I take my own medicine much but it would be nice to make you think, still if you want the light's out permanent when you go to your final bed so be it, that is your desire and maybe you will recieve it.

What really really annoy's me is trolling of people who have religious point's of view, if you don't like there point's of view then an intelligence interjecture would be sufficiant but to try to draw childish analogies merely put yourself down.

Anyway if you want to attack a religon why not attack one founded by a peodophile or one that is made up of really evil human sacrificing (they dont always kill but call it a sacrifice to offer a child or a virgin) satan worshiper's (They do exist bunch of total and utter nutter's if you ask me), there is an enclave of them in the small village of parbold lancashire, and though they usually keep themselves I knew a guy who was a devout buddhist, they terrorized him when he refused to join them making his kite and indian wood carving import business lose a lot of local business, they included local councilor's, magistrate's and normal seeming people if you can call them that.

It sound's like your mom was a nice lady, if she has gone I am sorry to hear that and I do hope she watches over you from time to time.

Oh sorry about the grammer I was never a english laureate.
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