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WAR: French Muslims Face Tough Terror Laws

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posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 06:50 PM
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In the wake of 9/11 America isn't the only nation beefing up its ability to find and combat terrorism. The French have taken wide ranging measures to prevent a terrorist attack from occuring on their soil. Such tactics as preventive arrest and detainment without council are being utilised. The strong arm of the law has only driven terrorist planning and recruitment under ground - causing the need for further reaching terror laws.
 



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Over the past several years, especially following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, French authorities have adopted some of the toughest anti-terrorism laws and policies in Europe - including pre-emptive arrests, ethnic profiling, interrogation without the presence of defense attorneys.

Authorities have more than 40 mosques under watch. Police agents in civilian clothes reportedly mill in and outside mosques, recording speeches of the prayer leaders, or imams.

As a result, most of the radical preaching that calls for jihad, or holy war, and aims to recruit young Frenchmen for the insurgency in Iraq is not carried out in the open, said Gilles Leclair, director of France's Anti-Terrorism Coordination Unit.

"Most of them are clandestine ... secret prayer rooms, not in the official mosques," Leclair told The Associated Press.

So authorities sometimes use unconventional tactics.

According to Leclair, if officials have information that "Mr. Mohammed X" is a suspect but have no solid evidence, they have no qualms about finding something in his personal life, like a past complaint from his abused wife, to detain him for questioning.


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Anti-terror laws the world over are being scrutinized by those they most closely effect, Muslim communities, and civil liberties groups alike. "'Today, if you are a Muslim, you are more afraid than if you are not a Muslim,' said Aziz Zemouri, a 36-year-old writer whose parents immigrated from Tunisia."


Under French law, suspects may be detained for 92 hours before charges are filed and jailed for up to 3 1/2 years as investigations continue and a trial is prepared. A new catchall charge of "conspiracy in relation to terrorism" enables prosecutors to cast their nets wide.


To their credit, the French have stopped several terror attacks from occuring on French soil, and even in Russia. ""There's a tradition in France of a strong state and people want to have a strong state," said Olivier Roy, a French terrorism expert..." Currently there are around one hundred people in custody with ties to terrorism in France. The last terrorist attack to occur was perpetrated by an Algerian insurgent group.




posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 08:09 PM
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Under French law, suspects may be detained for 92 hours before charges are filed and jailed for up to 3 1/2 years as investigations continue and a trial is prepared. A new catchall charge of "conspiracy in relation to terrorism" enables prosecutors to cast their nets wide.


Amazing the French can jail suspects for up to 3 1/2 years as investigations continue with no problem, yet several nations complain when the US detains similar suspects. Why is that? Seems like France gets one set of standards and the US another.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 09:06 PM
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Actually most nations have legislation on the books very similar to the Patriot ACT. Under a CSIS Security Certificate in Canada someone can be detained on preventive arrest without bail, council, or even knowing why they've been arrested. And all that for up to 12 months. Most OECD nations have enacted "draconian" laws in reality.

Why people from these nations don't seem to care that their rights are being stripped but take the time to what basically amounts to taunting Americans over our rights being stripped is really beyond me. I do have a couple thoughts though:

1. The American populace generally doesn't view the state as benign, I believe. This leads to a greater uproar when something like the Patriot ACT passes in the US than when something similar is passed in another country. Social programs like universal healthcare and the greater reliance on certain welfare programs have lulled them into a false sense of bureaucratic trust.

2. The larger uproar that's caused in the US over an issue like this is picked up and ran with in the foreign press that's not as most people believe to be a shining beacon of truth as opposed to the United States propaganda machine. Thusly they paint what's happening in the US the darkest shade of insidious possible. While waving the fact that the silly Americans have gone and created a police state in their faces the individual governments can go and pass their own anti-terror laws with very little outcry (or even the public having any idea what they are). It also helps that opposed to America this legislation is only used to combat terrorism and most certainly won't be abused.

Oops, kinda went on a little rant there....



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 12:09 AM
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Just let the arab's commit their allah ritual's. Let them blow up a few thousand people. This will then gain support for the banning of Islam in europe and deporation of Muslim back to Muslim nations.

But i guess the relationship with arab country's must remain. Since alot of EU nations need oil from the arabs. Because of this they will have to allow muslim's
to live in europe, tolrate their terrorist religion and also also allow them to scarafice a few european ciztezens for the sake of maintaing a relationship with oil nations.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by Thinker
Just let the arab's commit their allah ritual's. Let them blow up a few thousand people. This will then gain support for the banning of Islam in europe and deporation of Muslim back to Muslim nations.

But i guess the relationship with arab country's must remain. Since alot of EU nations need oil from the arabs. Because of this they will have to allow muslim's
to live in europe, tolrate their terrorist religion and also also allow them to scarafice a few european ciztezens for the sake of maintaing a relationship with oil nations.


An Arab is not the same thing as a Muslim, there are Arabs of many religions.

I do not think that the banning of one religion will happen in Europe or in any country with just a little education in human rights.

Deporting Muslims back to Muslim countries is also a little difficult thing to happen, there have been Muslims in Europe for the last 10 centuries, so many Muslims never lived in a Muslim country.

Europe needs oil, but the production of oil from the Muslim countries is not an exclusive to European countries, and in Europe we usually allow everyone to live here if they behave according to our laws, at least here in Portugal.




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