China's Interoceanic Canal thru Nicaragua Could Spark Revolution

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Britguy

So it's not happening, and never happened, but the US would do it. Did the magic 8-Ball say so? You have nothing to back your statement up except small-minded American hatred.

A simple look at past behaviour tells anyone with an ounce of sense to NEVER trust the US on anything... ever!

Just because it is not happening right now, does not mean it won't happen, so the Chinese are ensuring they have alternative trade routes in place.

It has nothing to do with "small minded American hatred", and everything to do with trust, or a complete lack thereof!

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Britguy

It would be up to the Panamanian government to deny China use of the canal and not the us.

Bacl to my question -
What would China do that would result in being denied access to the Panama canal?

You raised the point .

I think I answered the point I raised and that you questioned.
China doesn't have to do anything hostile at all, but simply look like they are in any way not bowing down to US demands and corporatist / banker interfering. Lets face it, if the US can't be numero uno in everything, everywhere, they tend to start getting all upset and throwing bombs and missiles around. It's like living with a control freak partner, just a whole lot more dangerous.

Also, Panama would simply do the bidding of the US. If they didn't, there would be yet another regime change to follow. Recent history tells us all we need to know about US aggression if states don't bow down to them. So, better to look at alternatives and leave them out the loop altogether.

If as you say the evil US would make Panama deny access to Chinese shipping for some reason then what would stop the US from also just shutting down the canal in Nicaragua as well? It would very easy to do so.

originally posted by: MrSpad
If as you say the evil US would make Panama deny access to Chinese shipping for some reason then what would stop the US from also just shutting down the canal in Nicaragua as well? It would very easy to do so.

Do you mean militarily?
If so, then yes, they could do that very easily, and it would once again show the world what total idiots they are! Unless of course, interested parties decided to fight back and protect their sovereign space.

I know the US has always considered everything South of the border US territory as well and has been engaged with installing puppets across the continent for decades, as well as propping up dictators and funding, arming and training death squads, as well as more direct action. However, times seem to be changing in that respect, with South American governments seeming to shrug off US intimidation and influence.

a reply to: Britguy

The Monroe Doctrine came into effect in 1823 and it does not, nor has it ever, considered south American countries as its own territory.

Please learn the history before you try and invoke something from 190 +/- years ago.

And no you didn't answer my question. You deflected.

What would China be doing that would result in the loss of access to the panama canal.

LOL now Costa Rica here is the [url=http://www.ucr.ac.cr/noticias/2014/11/19/dos-consorcios-internacionales-dan-a-conocer-propuestas-de-canal-seco-para-costa-rica.html]original[/url ] in Spanish
Americas Gateway Development Corporation's (Amega) is undertaking the first Private Initiative Proposal for Public Works in Costa Rica for the design, build and operation of a deepwater transshipment terminal at Moín port on Costa Rica's Caribbean coast. Amega has the exclusive right to lead the project through the proposition stage to a public bid for a 30-year concession to build and operate the port. The Amega team includes the former Scott Wilson group, now owned by the URS Corporation, as project manager. Scott Wilson, which participated in the design of Dubai's Jebel Ali port expansion, will use a similar design and technology for the Moín port project. Volio & Partners have now taken over as the lead financial advisor and shareholder.

so obviously it didnt matter what the US thinks about the plan

The Nicaragua Canal is an affront to Nicaragua. Their government has sold out with ittle or no control or benefit for Nicaragua. The Chinese are happy as they wil benefit, and have a history of working for themselves and sod the rest. Just look at some of the civil engineering projects in China - including the Olympics, where the human rights of people were ground into the mud.

www.theguardian.com...
www.reuters.com...

Regards

www.examiner.com...

work on the canal is slowly beginning.
just about all the media discussion involves it's environmental impact, which is feared to be massive.

www.reuters.com...

***The five-year timetable in Nicaragua has led many to surmise the Chinese government is secretly bankrolling the plan, which both China and Wang have repeatedly denied.
Yet Wang's reluctance to reveal his backers or much of his business background has failed to dispel suspicions.
"If the canal goes ahead ... it will be because the Chinese government wants it to, and the financing will come from China's various state firms," said Arturo Cruz of the INCAE business school, an ex-Nicaraguan ambassador to the United States.
Ortega has sought to allay fears that China is gaining a strategic foothold in Central America.
"The Chinese haven't arrived in Nicaragua with occupying troops," he said during a speech this week.
For now, China's government can stay aloof and claim no part in the project in case it founders, experts say.
"If the Chinese government is behind this project, it has to be responsible for everything," said an official from Taiwan's embassy in Nicaragua, speaking on condition of anonymity. "If it fails, that's a bad image. They have to maintain their distance."***

any prospects of China keeping a 10,000-man security force in site?