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Now, I believe in evolution but I would like a scientist to explain just how does a PLANT contain the same biochemical properties produced in our brain to regulate mood when the two aren't even connected in the evolutionary chain?
Chewing on a tree or a mouthful of hay wouldn't do a single thing to your brain. Never mind strip you of your ego and manage to chemically induce alternate realities. Scientifically, just how does a primitive plant even have the ability to evolve in such a way where it's chemical properties are allowed to pass through the blood brain barrier of a human being? I guess the same question could be asked about a plethora of species of plants used in homeopathic remedies. I just can't wrap my head around it being chance.
I must say Flysolo, I am thoroughly impressed that you aren't yet fed up with my chronically incessant skepticism lol
So it doesn't seem that far a stretch to find the monoamine oxidase inhibitor or something that can function the same way outside of the body.
depending on the person, a bad batch of wheat could produce an experience
but it seems increasingly difficult to find good examples of anything that appears "designed"
I read once the odds of finding the right combination of the vine and '___' plant is 1 in 6,000,000
Supposedly from something I recall reading not long ago, people were stripping bark from a certain tree that either contained
What is rational to begin with?
So if nothing were rational, it would not have become
something in the first place.
If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then
the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and
the whole evolution of man was an accident too. If so, then all our present
thoughts are mere accidents - the accidental by-product of the movement
of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and
astronomers as well as for anyone else's. But if their thoughts - i.e.,
Materialism and Astronomy - are mere accidental by-products, why should
we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident
should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It's
like expecting the accidental shape, taken by the splash when you upset
a milk-jug, should give you a correct account, of how the jug was made
and why it was upset.
Of course much of this is patently nonsense. Mathematics doesn't "explain" anything in nature, but mathematical models are very powerful for describing patterns and laws found in nature. I think it's safe to say that the Fibonacci sequence, golden mean, and golden rectangle have never, not even once, directly led to the discovery of a fundamental law of nature. When we see a neat numeric or geometric pattern in nature, we realize we must dig deeper to find the underlying reason why these patterns arise.
The "golden spiral" is a fascinating curve. But it is just one member of a larger family of curves/spirals collectively known as "logarithmic spirals", and there are still other spirals found in nature, such as the "Archimedian spiral." It's not difficult to find one of these curves that fits a particular pattern found in nature, even if that pattern is only in the eye of the beholder. But the dirty little secret of all of this is that when such a fit is found, it is seldom exact. The examples from nature that you find in books often have considerable variations from the "golden ideal". Sometimes curves claimed to fit the golden spiral actually are better fit by some other spiral. The fact that a curve "fits" physical data gives no clue to the underlying physical processes that produce such a curve in nature. We must dig deeper to find those processes.
Nautilus shells. Consider the commonly seen assertion that shells of the Chambered Nautilus conform to the golden spiral. The photo on the right shows one that has been sawed carefully to show the inner chambers. For comparison, the actual golden spiral is shown on the left. Clearly this creature hadn't read the books! If these two were superimposed they wouldn't match no matter how they were scaled or aligned.
In fact, the drawing on the left isn't quite correct. It was found on a web site, and is constructed with circular arc segments within each square. This curve has curvature discontinuity wherever it crosses into another square. The actual Fibonacci spiral has smoothly changing curvature. The difference would hardly be noticeable to the eye at this scale.
This diagram reveals how to subdivide the golden rectangle. Draw a square within it. The rectangular area left over is a smaller golden rectangle. Draw a square within it, and continue doing this. Then fit the points with a smooth curve as shown to get something that at least looks superficially like the golden spiral.
I think it's safe to say that the Fibonacci sequence, golden mean, and golden rectangle have never, not even once, directly led to the discovery of a fundamental law of nature.
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The fact that a curve "fits" physical data gives no clue to the underlying physical processes that produce such a curve in nature. We must dig deeper to find those processes.
Clearly 'vortexes' as they used in an example, can't be expected to follow the same principles as shell or sunflower.
It's not about nature or the sequence being perfect every time, it's about recognizing that nature will use fractals as a method to build upon. And fractals do follow laws which indeed follow the rules of math we designed to model (or the other way around).
originally posted by: artistpoet
Regarding the Fibonacci sequence ...
We tend to see it as two dimensional I.E. Photos of it in Nature or diagrams
As an artist part of what I try to achieve is the illusion of a third dimension ... in a two dimensional space I.E. On paper or canvas.
It is true that mathematics / geometry give us a plan / information to work from ... But one aspect of Reality and the Universe is that mathematics and geometry fall short at some point ... I.E. A spiral galaxy is not consitently the same as one plotted using Fibonacci ...
The reason for this being that the space it expands into is in a way is lumpy ...
Even the rotation of the Earth through what we term a day has variance ...
Even the Calenders we use are not accurate to a day ... we add leap years
In a way there are wheels within wheels and we fail to grasp the bigger picture and patterns that occur and all the potential things that can alter that pattern
But sure Fibonacci is a great tool,
As for life after death the missing component that deserves full consideration is that of the Soul IMO
But one aspect of Reality and the Universe is that mathematics and geometry fall short at some point