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"American is now a curse word"

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posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: michaelbrux

America is no where near Afghanistan or Iraq and hasn't been in nearly 8 years. don't be mad at me, i'm telling you the truth.


Just to be clear...

When you say "America is no where near Afghanistan or Iraq" what do you mean? We do have troops in both countries though we have not been in an active war type situation for years. I personally was in both countries this last summer, and in Afghanistan we still engage now and then when out bases are attacked.


United States has troops in Afghanistan. but this is about America, not the United States. Originally, the wars that are being waged were an ill conceived plot to destroy America, which missed wide, and everything since October 2006 is an attempt to reinforce a long obsolete illusion...that America somehow has something to do with what happens in the middle east, africa and europe, which it does not.

America walks away with a hoard of treasure, thank you, and no concern for recompense.

if i were in their position, i suppose i'd curse America too. luckily for me, I'm not in their position.




posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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I really wish more Americans would consider the fact that some of us need to interact with humans outside of America. A smart and decent attitude would be to foster positive relations with our fellow travellers on this disgusting mud-ball.

As it is, it seems we're more interested in rubbing others noses in crap, proclaiming our superiority and "exceptionalism", or throwing our weight around.

For those of us who venture far and wide it can make meeting new people...interesting I guess is a polite way to frame it.

I sometimes just tell people I'm Canadian eh to avoid the awkward.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
You were in intel… do tell. Whats one of the highest priorities when conquering and subjugating people? Controlling their press. Not only news black out by knocking out tv ad radio, but any other sources of information to the people.


Lol the ground war was over in a matter of days... not too much to do after that. I don't think we control their press or anyone's press for that mater. We also didn't conquer and subjugate since we left....



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

When I hear advisers being send, I know special operations are taking place, and to me that`s active war.


We just have a different option on the scale that constitutes a war.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: michaelbrux

United States has troops in Afghanistan. but this is about America, not the United States. Originally, the wars that are being waged were an ill conceived plot to destroy America, which missed wide, and everything since October 2006 is an attempt to reinforce a long obsolete illusion...that America somehow has something to do with what happens in the middle east, africa and europe, which it does not.

America walks away with a hoard of treasure, thank you, and no concern for recompense.

if i were in their position, i suppose i'd curse America too. luckily for me, I'm not in their position.



Thanks, that clarifies your point in your statement.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: Malynn
I really wish more Americans would consider the fact that some of us need to interact with humans outside of America. A smart and decent attitude would be to foster positive relations with our fellow travellers on this disgusting mud-ball.

As it is, it seems we're more interested in rubbing others noses in crap, proclaiming our superiority and "exceptionalism", or throwing our weight around.

For those of us who venture far and wide it can make meeting new people...interesting I guess is a polite way to frame it.

I sometimes just tell people I'm Canadian eh to avoid the awkward.


The only difference between us an another country is we are capable to project our country's interest and others can not, but truly would like to. This is not to say we do it weird. We go in and start a war, then spend a trillion dollars just to leave and not really accomplish any real objectives.



China does it right. They go in and build, corrupt the government with bribes and move in to stay as they pillage and plunder all the natural resources. Kind of what we use to do in the 50s and earlier.



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posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: TinfoilTP


Ya sure whatever you think, turn a blind eye to Russia supporting Assad and taking over Crimea and taking sides in Ukraine with military.

Those actions were responses to what the West, i.e., US/EU/NATO did first. Did you turn a blind eye when the Americans gave Stingers to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to shoot down Russian planes and helicopters?


Those centrifuges spinning away in Iran have no connections to Russia either in you make believe world too I would imagine.

"Those" centrifuges aren't making bomb grade uranium. That doesn't stop the US government and its allies from making false accusations, though.

Every time the US wants another inspection the IAEA comes up empty. Hint: The vilification of Iran is not about their imaginary Nuclear Weapons program.

The world of make believe isn't in Iran. Its part of the very real western program to dominate the entire region.


Being in total denial that Iran wants the bomb and has the equipment up and running towards that goal does not make your fairy tale world come true.

Bring up the cold war era Afghanistan, what about those Russian fighters over N Korea? That game of who did what can go on forever. If anything you are just citing evidence that cold war tactics by both sides are still alive and well today.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Neither of those things is "right" I haven't met a single non-American interested in oppressing anyone or defending oppressors.

Americans in America on the other hand...they're big on waving their knobs around and justifying whatever the government may get up to.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker



Crimea 'voted' for it? Really? REALLY??

Yes they did.
Crimea’s parliament votes to join Russia



When in history has a nation that has won it's freedom from an empire EVER voted to rejoin an empire that dominated it?

There's a first time for everything. But you would have to know history to understand that.


If you don't think that 'vote' wasn't well set up in advance by Russia.

Prove that it was set up.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Malynn
a reply to: Xtrozero

Neither of those things is "right" I haven't met a single non-American interested in oppressing anyone or defending oppressors.

Americans in America on the other hand...they're big on waving their knobs around and justifying whatever the government may get up to.


Really? I been to about 80 plus countries, I see it all the time just smaller scale.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: nwtrucker



Crimea 'voted' for it? Really? REALLY??

Yes they did.
Crimea’s parliament votes to join Russia



When in history has a nation that has won it's freedom from an empire EVER voted to rejoin an empire that dominated it?

There's a first time for everything. But you would have to know history to understand that.


If you don't think that 'vote' wasn't well set up in advance by Russia.

Prove that it was set up.


Wait, so you are suggesting that let's say New Mexico voted to become a part of Mexico then that is ok and they should be able to? Also, one can not suspect that there might be external influences at hand to even have the vote in the first place?



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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The OP is correct but I can simplify this further. America is what it is today because our country is nothing but bunch of pussies. I don't mean the majority of the people...I mean the government and the liberals. They believe they can threaten, wish, hope and dream away problems. They believe that they can take money from people and give it to others. They DON'T realize that a lot of Americans are leeches and should be thrown out. And they don't have the balls to fix ANYTHING.

We used to be strong and we used to be respected. We used to be able to do anything, build anything, survive anything. We used to be great. But now...here we are forgetting "survival of the fittest"...here we are "helping everyone" (even those that don't deserve it). Here we are...neutered cats.

And sad to say...we lost our balls many years ago. Right about the time we decided to pull out of this war, when we decided to let prisoners who tried to kill us go home, when we decided to allow illegals to stay here in our country, when we decided we had to drive electric cars, when we don't arrest rioters in Ferguson, etc. No offence to women...but we have become a country of women. We have lost the male side of the equation. The logical and strong side that says...HELL NO...if you're illegal we are throwing you out...if you riot you go to jail...if you shoot someone, color doesn't matter...and if you become a government that takes from the haves, to give to not only the have-nots, but also the leeches...and LIES TO US...you will be torn down by REVOLUTION! We have lost what we were and what worked. We did so to become "nice" and "better", and in the process...we are dying.

I HATE IT...but you liberal people chose it. YOU have destroyed America. YOU elected this ass-hat president, allowed him to do what he has done...all with the agenda of "we can be nice now". Well guess what...YOU were wrong. Russia and China will be the new world order. They will be in charge, they will be great and they will be respected...by us! Because they have the balls to do what has to be done. They have guts, nerve and power when we are metrosexuals.

That is...unless we find our balls and start doing what needs to be done, instead of worrying about what is popular.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero


I don't think we control their press or anyone's press for that mater. We also didn't conquer and subjugate since we left….

We never left. The last four presidents have each announced bombing campaigns in Iraq.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP


Being in total denial that Iran wants the bomb and has the equipment up and running towards that goal does not make your fairy tale world come true.

Wants the bomb? But doesn't as yet have any? Who's making stuff up?

Any use of centrifuges to enrich Uranium to 9o% (bomb grade) and the employment of that material in a bomb they use would point right back to them. All their uranium is supplied by Russia as fuel rods. All those rods are tracked and an isotope fingerprint taken prior to shipment recorded. If the Iranians were dumb enough to use a weapon made of that material the isotope spectroscopy of the fallout would expose them as the perpetrators.

Who is dumb enough to suppose they are dumb enough to do that?

Oh. thats right, thats not the issue. That the US is trying to take their country from them is. No fantasy here…



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

Everything you said applies to the United States. The CIA has supported the overthrow of several democratically elected governments since WWII and installed dictators in their place. Ukraine is one of those. The so-called National Endowment for Democracy is one of the organizations started by a former director of the CIA and instrumental in overthrowing the democratically elected government of Ukraine and installing another criminal hand picked by the U.S. State Department. Several neo-NAZI demonstrators, including snipers who targeted both sides, were paid to act in those demonstrations. After the illegal, U.S. CIA supported coups, they started shelling eastern Ukraine residential neighborhoods to rid the country of ethnic Russians who threatened the power of the newly installed western oriented puppet criminals. This included a brigade dedicated to murdering as punishment women and children and old men left behind when the rebels retreated. I got this information from a book by a former CIA officer and Ukrainians who actually lived or still live there, as well as a post by a former U.S. ambassador.

edit on 30-11-2014 by sorgfelt because: after a bit of thought, made a plural into a singular for more truthfulness

edit on 30-11-2014 by sorgfelt because: tense adjustment



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

Being in total denial that Iran wants the bomb and has the equipment up and running towards that goal does not make your fairy tale world come true.

Bring up the cold war era Afghanistan, what about those Russian fighters over N Korea? That game of who did what can go on forever. If anything you are just citing evidence that cold war tactics by both sides are still alive and well today.


This "total denial" happens to be shared by all U.S. and European intelligence agencies. The only ones claiming that Iran is still developing the bomb are the neocon Israel leaders and U.S. politicians bent on subjugating one of the few remaining countries not under western bankers' control and starting more war to benefit their bottom lines (U.S.) or imaginary security (Israel), as well as demonstrating perfect hypocrisy.

Regarding Afghanistan, the U.S. behavior in Iraq and Afghanistan was much more aggressive and unwarranted than that of Russia, who has at least learned their lesson. The reasons for the U.S. invading both countries was totally based on lies.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: sorgfelt




The reasons for the U.S. invading both countries was totally based on lies.


US was right in invading Afghanistan to clean out Taliban and AQ. However, they left the fight half finished. Both Taliban and AQ found shelter in Pakistan and as soon as US leaves the fanatics will cross the border and within two years it can be back to square one.

Wonder why would US spend so much money and resources to leave the fight unfinished and enemy still active albeit at a distance only.

The only positive point in Afghanistan scenario is majority of the population defied the Taliban and came out to vote for democracy. But this was when US was protecting them with its presence. Will these folks take one the armed AQ and Taliban when they have no protection? Very much doubt it.

Worst US is messing around in Ukraine and provoking Russia to create new engagements for the US military. Afghanistan is a good area to provoke Taliban to involve US back into the theatre. I bet Kremlin is already working on that.

Stupid US foreign policy...........very very stupid indeed !!



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: michaelbrux

Please identify who "America" is, because it appears that the United States and America are the exact same thing, legally, morally and financially.

And tell us who walked away with the hoards of wars, gave thanks and has no remorse.

Sounds like you have something to say.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 12:25 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

The fact that you think "liberals" are the cause of all America's problems only outlines the real problem: Americans. More interested in fighting each other than the real enemy.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 01:13 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

There has never been an agreement by NATO to not expand. Repeating the lie over and over does not change the fact its a lie.

NATO - Russia relations: NATO Facts verse Russian Falsehoods

Russian claims that NATO promised not to enlarge


Russian officials claim that US and German officials promised in 1990 that NATO would not expand into Eastern and Central Europe, build military infrastructure near Russia’s borders or permanently deploy troops there.

No such pledge was made, and no evidence to back up Russia’s claims has ever been produced. Should such a promise have been made by NATO as such, it would have to have been as a formal, written decision by all NATO Allies. Furthermore, the consideration of enlarging NATO came years after German reunification. This issue was not yet on the agenda when Russia claims these promises were made.

Allegations about NATO pledging not to build infrastructure close to Russia are equally inaccurate. In the Founding Act, NATO reiterated “in the current and foreseeable security environment, the Alliance will carry out its collective defence and other missions by ensuring the necessary interoperability, integration, and capability for reinforcement rather than by additional permanent stationing of substantial combat forces. Accordingly, it will have to rely on adequate infrastructure commensurate with the above tasks. In this context, reinforcement may take place, when necessary, in the event of defence against a threat of aggression and missions in support of peace consistent with the United Nations Charter and the OSCE governing principles, as well as for exercises consistent with the adapted CFE Treaty, the provisions of the Vienna Document 1994 and mutually agreed transparency measures.”

NATO has indeed supported the upgrading of military infrastructure, such as air bases, in the countries which have joined the Alliance, commensurate with the requirements for reinforcement and exercises. However, the only combat forces permanently stationed on the territory of the new members are their own armed forces.

Even before the Ukraine crisis, the only routinely visible sign of Alliance forces in the new members were the NATO jets used in the Baltic States for the air policing mission. These minimal defensive assets cannot be described as substantial combat forces in the meaning of the Founding Act.

Since the crisis, NATO has taken steps to increase situational awareness and bolster the defences of our Eastern members. This, too, is entirely consistent with the Founding Act and is a direct result of Russia’s destabilizing military actions.

Finally, the Act also states, “Russia will exercise similar restraint in its conventional force deployments in Europe.” Russia’s aggression against Ukraine is a flagrant breach of this commitment, as is its unilateral suspension of compliance with the CFE Treaty.



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