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Pharrell Williams under fire over Michael Brown comments

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posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

And why do they behave that way? Because of the decades of institutionalized racism?


knew you were going to blame the parents attitude on something as well.
its fine. thats how you feel

i feel that you and others refuse to expect them to take personal responsibility for how they act...
they act like this because........

nothing is their fault

its cool BH...
we dont need to get into it.

we each know how the other feels




posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: Grovit
knew you were going to blame the parents attitude on something as well.


It's not about blame, it's about finding the cause. Of course they are responsible for their actions, so is Brown and so is Wilson. But I think it's important to find out why they act that way. A priest who abuses little boys is found to have been a victim of childhood molestation. That's the REASON he abuses. That doesn't make him right or innocent. He is responsible for his actions, but looking into the reason (why?) lets us see a larger picture and go about finding a solution.



i feel that you and others refuse to expect them to take personal responsibility for how they act...
they act like this because........

nothing is their fault


Well, in my case, you're mistaken. I don't feel that way at all. I am big on personal responsibility. It's WRONG for people to act that way. But knowing WHY they act that way, gives me access to knowledge that could help understand and ultimately solve the issue.



we each know how the other feels


Don't be so sure about that.

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posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Sounds like your a making your mind up on what happened based on emotions or gut feelings and not on factual evidence.

I really feel for his family and even him for dying over something so silly since he was a young man probably running on testosterone more than brain activity.

However, I have to ask why is it a good idea to be uncooperative when a cop points a gun at you and is instructing you to stop? Why isn't this being discussed?

Why isn't their blame on both sides?

Why is the officer the only one that made a mistake?



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

sometimes people act like that because they are dicks...
sometimes thats the reason

i dont see how being a victim of whatever would cause you to roll up on a grandma and attack but thats just me



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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If it had been a black police officer who had done the shooting....

or the man that was shot was a white 'thug' .... I'm presuming

that there wouldn't be this outcry?

Because there will always be blacks/whites and some with 'chips'

on their shoulders I doubt we will ever get rid of racism, because

every time there are incidents which are mixed, and which ever

is right or wrong .... the call will always be racism



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: Grovit
sometimes people act like that because they are dicks...
sometimes thats the reason


I agree. But why are they dicks? I have a belief that all human beings have the potential and even the tendency to be good. But sometimes things go wrong and people turn out to be asshats. I've known plenty of them. And in a situation like this, where we can look at the environment and see the history of how one group of people has been treated by the authority, we have access to information that we can use to really understand and change the environment.

Wilson is a victim of the environment, too. He didn't just wake up one day and decide to kill a black kid. His history is as colorful as the town of Ferguson's. He thinks the way he thinks and acted the way he did for a REASON. Yeah, he's a dick, too. But stating that gets us nowhere. But knowing this gives us more of an idea of WHY he's a dick:



People who know him describe him as someone who grew up in a home marked by multiple divorces and tangles with the law. His mother died when he was in high school. A friend said a career in law enforcement offered him structure in what had been a chaotic life.

What he found in Jennings, however, was a mainly white department mired in controversy and notorious for its fraught relationship with residents, especially the African American majority. It was not an ideal place to learn how to police.


Wilson's Past



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

I agree. But why are they dicks?



water is wet
the sky is blue
some people are dicks



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic


You know I get tired of hearing people blame their childhood

and upbringing for their 'adult problems'

When they are adult they are responsible for the life they lead

because the choices they make are theirs and theirs alone, not

many have had a 'perfect' childhood....

One of the nicest young man I know had (in my opinion) a very sad

childhood. His mother was an invalid and he had while at school to

take care of not only himself but had to shop, clean do laundry look

after his mother, a part time job and study. He was considered

by his peers to be odd, because he was never available to socialise

with them. He never complained and they never knew of his problems

till long after leaving school.

If anyone had reason to rebel or go off the rails he did .... but as I said

earlier 'one of the nicest young man I have known.'



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia
You know I get tired of hearing people blame their childhood and upbringing for their 'adult problems'


Thanks for sharing. But it's true. Like it or not, our experiences shape who we become.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

Could you name 5 people like him? Probably not, as he is an example of an exception. The overwhelming majority of people tend to be shaped by their experiences. This does not excuse negative behaviour as an adult because of a bad childhood, but to ignore that the childhood did not contribute in some way is being oblivious to reality.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost




What exactly did Williams say that was inaccurate or wrong? Why are his comments about the shooting, and the Bill Cosby issue and black culture taken so out of context by the media?


Who cares was Pharrell Williams thinks?! He lost my respect on first glance!

This isn't the first time Pharrell has been on the wrong side of public opinion and political correctness. I seem to remember him making a fortune on perpetuating "Rape Culture", just recently!



Pharrell Williams is identifying a murder/execution victim as a bully! Well, good for him! "He got killed because he was a bully and he deserved it!" I believe that the police officer was also a bully and behaved as such in dealing with these kids. I wonder how Darren Wilson was raised, and why he choose a career in a Police Department deemed so racist it had to be disbanded, and then choose to fire 12 rounds into a an unarmed black teenager who was giving up!

Selective political correctness and hypocrisy at its finest!

You know who else was known as a bully, Pharell? Mitt Romney!


A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

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One former classmate and old friend of Romney’s – who refused to be identified by name – said there are “a lot of guys” who went to Cranbrook who have “really negative memories” of Romney’s behavior in the dorms, behavior this classmate describes as “evil” and “like Lord of the Flies.”

thinkprogress.org...


Richy Rich can get away with bullying and "petty theft" (tax evasion and economy trashing), but a young (demon like) black man in racially and economically oppressed Ferguson, is justified in being "put down" for bullying and petty theft!



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: windword

You really should take a step back and peruse your reply.

Your logic fails hard, as does your attempt to attack the character of Williams just because he has views that you disagree with.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

When you don’t adhere to the official dogma then you are exposing yourself to criticism.

The people who think everything is black and white and their perspective is the only one.

He said Brown was a bully when he strong armed those cigarettes, which is a fact.

But the dogmatic one dimensional people don’t want to hear it.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:04 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: windword
I wonder how Darren Wilson was raised, and why he choose a career in a Police Department deemed so racist it had to be disbanded, and then choose to fire 12 rounds into a an unarmed black teenager who was giving up!

It was six rounds into a grown man who was attacking him for the second time in less than two minutes, and who had earlier tried to steal his police weapon.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

Pharrell Williams' views are worthless and on the wrong side of history.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

dont you know that dealing with racism makes you roll up on the grandmother of your child and attack



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

He fired 12 times, even though he only met his target 50% of time.



and who had earlier tried to steal his police weapon.


I don't believe that for one second. I don't believe Darren Wilson's testimony.

Officer Darren Wilson's story is unbelievable. Literally.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:19 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: windword
I don't believe that for one second. I don't believe Darren Wilson's testimony.

Blood evidence in the cop car and on the car door, residue on Browns hand from the gun firing at close range, and credible eyewitness testimony (yes, from black eyewitness') all prove it's true. Go ahead and believe whatever story you like, as for me I'll listen to the forensics.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: windword

Who exactly gets to decide whether somebody is on the right side of history or not?

The victors do, of course...not those with the necessarily higher moral ground.


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posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 11:22 AM
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I think what I said was:

Evidence Smevidgence! The police botched forensics! BADLY!

What we do have is witness evidence claiming that Brown has his hands up and was surrendering.


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