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Pharrell Williams under fire over Michael Brown comments

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posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 05:02 AM
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a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

The media is an issue for me as well (as above) . The Michael brown incident has barely been covered here at all up until the riots where they had reporters in place . 12 bullets seems a lot .




posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 05:07 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Micheal Brown probably was a bully, but the point is it doesn't excuse Darren Wilsons behavior anymore than if you tried to justify what the columbine kids did because they were being bullied.

Yes, you are right. Good thing this had nothing to do with bullying, it had to do with him assaulting a police officer and trying to steal his gun. So really it has nothing to do with the Columbine incident.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 05:19 AM
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originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
i hope he doesn't apologize for having an educated opinion.
i'm fed the fu#k up with this SJW movement demanding people to apologize left and right as soon as their feelings are hurt



YOU SAID IT! If truth is spoken feelings should not be hurt, you can't say # without it hurting someone's feelings. If it is a truthful statement then so be it! I am short, and someone calls me short, should my feelings be hurt? People put a lot of weight on definitions or societal beliefs. Come up with your own and forget about what everyone else is doing, thinking or having. BTW what it SJW?



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 05:30 AM
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Being from another country I know little about this case, but what

I gather is its about a black (some what out of control youth?) and

a white policeman (doing the job he was trained for?)

Without the prefix of black/white it would be just another day

another case?

In every day conversations names are used and people do not usually

prefix a colour before a name, so why is the media allowed to do so?

it makes every situation *racial* ..... I also think that some people

grow up with, and use a 'built in' "get out of jail" card simply because of

their race!



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 05:40 AM
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Except for the fact that Micheal Brown was walking off and nowhere near Wilsons gun when he decided to get out of his car and fire off 12 rounds. So your point is mute.

Anyway, since Brown was so much bigger than Wilson, it makes me question that he ever had any real interest in obtaining the weapon. If he was really that determined to get the weapon I'm sure he could have. It's far more likely that if any of Wilsons accounts are true, then Brown was probably attempting to stop Wilson from going for his gun.

But since the forensic evidence was so badly handled (Wilson put his own gun into the evidence bag hours after the incident) as reported by both fox news and CNN, we will never really know what really happened and Wilson has a lot of motive to lie.

All we know for a fact is that Brown was not in arms reach of the weapon when he was shoot.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa I am curious about something. How is a a PO suppose to wait for backup when he is being attacked in his vehicle, in the middle of the street? Given what's known about Wilson's account of the shooting, it's most likely that the grand jury decided Wilson was justified under "defense-of-life" — that he feared for his life when Brown (in his telling) assaulted him in his car and tried to grab at his gun. In that case, the next question will be whether it was reasonable for him to be afraid of Brown.

Under the law, it doesn't matter if Brown ever intended to hurt Wilson. What matters is the officer's "objectively reasonable" belief that he was a threat. That puts a lot of weight on an officer's immediate instincts in judging who's dangerous.

As far as 12 shots being fired. I do not recall how many where fired in total. I know Michael was hit several times. But the last two where the fatal shots.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: Ceeker63

lol, you accused me a few posts back of not knowing enough about the situation and then actually admit you don't even know how much shots were fired, that's just blatant. I've been watching this incident very closely on all the major news channels since it first happened and can tell you what Wilson did was extremely dodgy, whether American law technically allows it all not.

Just last night CNN reported that behind the scenes Wilson has no friends and will almost definitely never work as a police officer ever again. That in itself proves to me he clearly made a big mistake in how he handled the situation and is manipulating the account of what actually happened to keep from facing charges and save face for the police force in general.

But in answer to your question, there are many different accounts of what happened. But one thing everyone agrees on, is that when Wilson left his car and pulled his weapon, Brown was walking away from Wilson. So it is extremely hard to believe he was in fear of his life at that particular time. It also supports my claim that he discharged he's weapon due to anger, rather than fear.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 07:00 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
you just need to look into wilsons eyes in his recent interview to see that he's outright lying about how it unfolded and clearly has a major case of small man syndrome and should have never been a police officer in the first place.


You go ahead and base your opinion on 'looking into someones eyes' and your own armchair psychology. I'll base my opinion on forensic facts. Video tapes of the man (Brown) who died showed his attitude towards following the law (he doesn't follow it). The blood evidence and gun shot evidence and corroborating eyewitness evidence (from black and white people both) all supports the statement made by Wilson.

I hope if my life is ever on the line in the court system, like Wilsons is, that people look at forensic facts and not base their decisions on 'looking into my eyes'.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 07:08 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Except for the fact that Micheal Brown was walking off and nowhere near Wilsons gun when he decided to get out of his car and fire off 12 rounds.

See ... this is why you should read the forensics and not count on 'looking into his eyes' as a basis to make a decision. The forensic facts clearly show what you just said is wrong. Brown wasn't 'walking off' .. he was running away and then he turned around and charged the officer in a very aggressive manner. Brown was going to attack the officer yet again. Forensics prove it. Credible eyewitness accounts prove it. Brown was hit up to six times (not 12) and at least one of them was in the police car when Brown attacked Wilson and was trying to steal the officers gun.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 07:45 AM
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From the original story:


originally posted by: Dark Ghost
“Not with the kid, but with whatever happened in his life for him to arrive at a place where that behaviour is OK. Why aren’t we talking about that?”


I think this is ONE THING we need to talk about. What happened in this kid's life to make him behave that way? Why did he behave like a bully to the shop owner? Yes, he behaved like a bully in that shop. Too many people are afraid to say that, but the video says it all. That's not to say his behavior is a good reason for him to be slain in the street like a rabid animal or that he deserved it.

Maybe he behaved that way because of Decades of Institutionalized Racism in Ferguson.

Or perhaps we should look at 9 Photos of White People Rioting the Puts Ferguson in Perspective

The OTHER THING we need to talk about is: Why did the cop get off scot-free for killing an unarmed teen? Why was the grand jury so different than other grand juries? Why didn't the prosecutor work to prosecute? Why did Wilson testify for 4 hours? Why were the witnesses discredited? See the first link above.

These are 2 issues that are intertwined and neither can be ignored. Pharrell covered the bases. I don't have any problem with what he said. But people who are determined to make this issue as simple as "racist or not" are missing the point. Every time I've said something about Brown's death, people jump at the chance to place me in the category they think I'm representing. That's what's happening here.

People say things like, "The fact that everyone on the "pro Mike Brown" side " or "those on the "pro-Wilson side"... Both sides have serious issues and BOTH need to be addressed. There's no reason for us to even TAKE sides, because BOTH are guilty. It's stupid to take sides in this. Because to take sides, one must ignore the facts of the case.

1. Mike Brown was a bully and he likely challenged the cop.
2. Decades of institutionalized racism likely contributed to the cop murdering this kid and getting away with it.

Pharrell voiced some truth and he's got people throwing fits because he deigned to mention the FACT that Brown was acting like a bully in the store. He also mentioned that Wilson should have gone to trial. And I agree. But Wilson was protected by the system, as 99% of cops in this kind of situation are.

BOTH stupid "sides" of this argument are right. There should be no sides. We should be addressing the situation in its entirety, because if we don't, it's just going to get worse.

My opinion is that Mike Brown was no "gentle giant" and Darrell Wilson is a racist who murdered an unarmed and innocent person. BOTH of these situations need addressing.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 07:49 AM
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Brown was walking away from Wilson. So it is extremely hard to believe he was in fear of his life at that particular time. It also supports my claim that he discharged he's weapon due to anger, rather than fear.


there were no shots to the back of ol big mike. all entry wounds were from the front, the sixth was to the top of the head which according to forensics reports happened as he was falling facing wilson.

then you have six eye witness reports ( from black U.S. citizens) that agree with wilson that big mike turned and was returning by at least one black citizen saying at a charge towards wilson after the fight in the car.

on top of that browns blood found on wilson leg, gun shirt collar, diver door of the cop suv.




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posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

I never said Brown got shot 12 times, I said 12 rounds were fired and eyewitness evidence is not forensic evidence. The eyewitness evidence is in no way consistent, a lot of people claim he wasn't running for him, but rather staggering towards him once he'd already been shot with his arms out, as in indicating he was unarmed when the fatal shots were fired, hence why there were riots!!!

It's also well known that the forensic evidence was handled very unprofessionally. Wilson washed the blood off his hands immediately after the incident, he was also allowed to put his own gun in the evidence bag hours after the incident and the distance from where the body lay and the shots were fired were never measured. when they where asked why the distances where never measured they said because it was already obvious what had happened, somebody shot some one else. If that doesn't indicate a botched investigation into the 'forensic evidence' and even a cover up, then I don't know what does.

I really don't care if there is a huge culture in the US of white people thinking all poor black people are evil monsters, but just blindly believing the accounts of Wilson and not accepting that there is a underlining lack of justice for black people in the criminal justice system is not denying ignorance. There I said it!

Anyway, I'll finish with this question. Black people get shot all the time by police, yet there aren't people always rioting about it, so if this particular case is so straight forward like your claiming then how come so many people are so angry about it this time? What makes this particular case so much more special than all the other shootings that occur?

Clearly there's much more to this case than middle class america want to admit. Wilson shot that teenager in cold blood and the flawed justice system is letting him get away with it.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Subaeruginosa




Brown was walking away from Wilson. So it is extremely hard to believe he was in fear of his life at that particular time. It also supports my claim that he discharged he's weapon due to anger, rather than fear.


there were no shots to the back of ol big mike. all entry wounds were from the front, the sixth was to the top of the head which according to forensics reports happened as he was falling facing wilson.

then you have six eye witness reports ( from black U.S. citizens) that agree with wilson that big mike turned and was returning by at least one black citizen saying at a charge towards wilson after the fight in the car.



Yeah, no shots were fired in the back because he obviously turned around when he realized that there was a gun pointed at him. Also many other eyewitnesses have a different account, you can't really rely on a few eyewitness accounts (that differ and are in no way consistent anyway) in such a traumatic situation, whether there black, white or purple.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:02 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a lot of people claim he wasn't running for him, but rather staggering towards him once he'd already been shot with his arms out,

And they were proven wrong by indisputable forensics. Many of them contradicted themselves and later admitted that they didn't actually see the event but instead were just repeating what they heard on the street. Those 'eyewitness' weren't eyewitness'.

It's also well known that the forensic evidence was handled very unprofessionally.

It was handled just fine.

so if this particular case is so straight forward like your claiming then how come so many people are so angry about it this time?

Race baiting and media hype.

Wilson shot that teenager in cold blood ...

Wilson shot a MAN who tried to steal his gun and who attacked him twice. Forensics prove that to be the truth. This is why forensic facts and not emotional rhetoric are so important when making decisions about people's lives. Wilson has a perfect record as a cop. No evidence of corruption. No evidence or racism. No evidence of going rogue or anger issues, etc. He shot in self defense.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Really? A thug vs an officer of the law? the thug tried to grab the officers gun... no doubt the thug would have killed the officer had he been successful.. what is wrong with you thug loving people? i side with the law any day over a thug.


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posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:07 AM
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if you paid attention they looked at all reports and the majority of them admitted that they didn't see what happen and were going by hear say or made it up. johnsons statement the way i understood it, was reject straight out because it didn't come any where close to any ones elses statement.

of all the statements made all were compared to the forensic evidence, that's how they say it happened. the evidence showed that brown was less than 10 feet from wilson when he hit the ground. that was shown by the blood trail that led back to the spot.

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posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Wait,you are saying that while the officer is BEING attacked,he is to sit there and wait for back up??? What kind of nonsense is that? If someone is attacking me, I'm not waiting for my brains to be beat out before taking action. I'm going to defend myself. Even a citizen has that right,more so a cop. I don't know anyone that is going to just site there while being assaulted.



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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for those that are interested here is the grand jury transcript.

it's almost 5000 pages.
here is a link for download that will open a PDF

Case : State of Missouri v Darren Wilson

here it is at the New York Post. scroll down to the bottom and it's a scribd.
Darren Wilson on why he shot Michael Brown



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic



Maybe he behaved that way because of Decades of Institutionalized Racism in Ferguson.

Or perhaps we should look at 9 Photos of White People Rioting the Puts Ferguson in Perspective


maybe he behaved that way because he was raised by a mother and step father that were bulies themselves?



www.nydailynews.com...

could that possible be a reason or is it only about the 'decades' of racism?



posted on Nov, 28 2014 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: Grovit
maybe he behaved that way because he was raised by a mother and step father that were bulies themselves?
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could that possible be a reason or is it only about the 'decades' of racism?


And why do they behave that way? Because of the decades of institutionalized racism? They're closer to the source. The picture is so much larger than one man or one family. Decades of institutionalized racism in this country affects us all.

Thanks for responding to me. My post will go largely ignored because I see both sides, which is very rare in this place... People are much more eager to take a "side" and blame "the other side". Posts that point to the fault and "rightness" of BOTH sides are boring around here.
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