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Russia Sponsors UN Resolution Revoking Freedoms Of Speech, Assembly, And Association

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posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04


As I proved, communism has killed more people than Nazis, are you in favor of a similar amendment against communists?


Don't bother. I've asked this question a number of times and have yet to get an answer of any kind.




posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

It seems a number of people in here are in favor of fascism it seems the more you question fascism the more you get attacked for it.

I am quite sadden by this.



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

@Occam Like I said you won't actually get a reponse to your question.

The people that are against this resolution aren't anti-fascism. They're pro-freedom of speech. As has been pointed out this resolution could be used to severely curb freedom of speech while at the same time promoting a pro-Russian agenda.

Since you won't answer the question that has been raised a few times let me ask another one. Do you agree with Putin's move to disband an organization whose goal it was to make sure people didn't forget about the atrocities committed under Stalin?
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posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:26 PM
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I am quite surprised to see a small number of users in here supporting fascism while doing so avoiding what the fascists did in WW2 and WW1.


1.Fascism is a trend in westren ukraine, the majority of westren Ukrainians are Catholics since the westren ukraine German occupation of ukraine, the Germans have pushed Catholicism on the Ukrainians.

Yeah i am sure they were all innocent right?


2.Biden has a son that runs an oil company in Ukraine with the current Ukrainian government.


So the next time you actually defend fascists why dont you look up to there history of war crimes and ethnic cleanse which they have committed eh?



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:32 PM
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By your response its clear that your supporting fascism as pointed here.



Do you agree with Putin's move to disband an organization whose goal it was to make sure people didn't forget about the atrocities committed under Stalin?






As has been pointed out this resolution could be used to severely curb freedom of speech while at the same time promoting a pro-Russian agenda.


This resolution is about to glorify Nazism ideology and denial of German Nazi war crimes. Which is exactly what is the bill was about.

What you people here have being doing is basically not only defending the fascists but also making claims that Putin is Stalin then Hitler and backwards without any evidence.

Oh and dont bother with the articles from stop fake.

If Russia was to push a bill about curb freedom of speech they would have done so already and in secret, but i do know which nation is trying to curb freedom of speech.


America.



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Why are you defending Stalin by omission? He is the greatest mass murderer of the modern era if not all time. If the USSR wasn't a fascist state in all but name under Stalin I don't know what is.

Let's somehow try to move past the 30 million people executed by Stalin and look at more recent times. Let's look at the 1.5 million people killed in the Russo-Afghan War. Or how about the genocide and torture in Chechnya that continued into Putin's reign?



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: DJW001




When facts are not on your side, go for a personal attack.

Thats cute. Do you want me to post threads from 2013?





Where do you get that anyone here supports fascists, other than the people who are advocating censorship? Banning freedom of expression is the hallmark of Fascism.

Really now? so people whom want to ban fascists actually means advocating Banning freedom of expression? since when is supporting fascism and fascists an freedom of expression?

Care to explain it eh?





In what way is it misleading? Unlike the paid propagandists at RT, I actually linked to the text of the document in question.

The article of the link in question that you posted is not as you desperately to claim that Russia was trying to curb freedom of speech its about Combating glorification of Nazism.

But not surprising your defending fascism.



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:45 PM
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Why are you defending fascism and Hitler?




If the USSR wasn't a fascist state in all but name under Stalin I don't know what is.

You would have loved no more if Russia was an Corporatist, Capitalist country to spread its wealth through military occupations and bombs.

Let's look at the 1.5 million people killed in the Russo-Afghan War.

Your beloved Reagen Boy armed Bin laden and the mujahideen which after the liberation women in Afghan struck out of there women rights.

I am sure you didn't know this judging by your avatar.



Or how about the genocide and torture in Chechnya that continued into Putin's reign?

I am shocked at how some Americans barley dont know anything about Chechnya, are you aware that the same opposition you are supporting in Chechnya are the same ones whom have being sending there islamists to fight along side the FSA in Syria eh you American?

Why? Islam is the predominant religion in Chechnya. Chechens are overwhelmingly adherents to the Shafi'i Madhhab of Sunni Islam. The same Sunni sect which have being fighting agaisnt Assad and Saudis ruling family are Sunni.

So the next you try to ask me that question why dont you look it up?
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posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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I will be still waiting for a reply..

So we have.

Some people defending fascists and fascism in general.
Some people defending the opposition in Chechnya without knowing anything about it just like how you Americans so easily lied about Iraq and Libya.

And some defending the mujahideen freedom fighters of Afghan? seriously?



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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Why are you defending fascism and Hitler?


Why are you defending fascism and Putin? Freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of association are the first rights that a fascist government abolishes. As has been pointed out countless times before, this resolution would infringe on those rights. It is an attempt on the part of Putin to impose his political views on the rest of the world. In supporting him, you support fascism.
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posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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Nice way of twisting and turning my own words trying to push your agenda.




Why are you defending fascism and Putin?


I am not the one here defending fascists. But seeing this thread and how your the one claiming that anyone attacks fascism is therefore trying to curb freedom of expression gives me quite a laugh.



It is an attempt on the part of Putin to impose his political views on the rest of the world. In supporting him, you support fascism.

Germany knows what glorying the fascism is and thus have supported it the same way in Greece i guess your also supporting the fascists in Greece to then.



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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Ukraine and the UN Resolution against “The Glorification of Nazism”: The US Vote at the UN is “Holocaust Denial” – Here’s Why



Andrii Bandera, son of the mass murderer published an article stating - “There were 15,000,000 Ukrainian genocide victims next to the 6,000,000 Jewish victims.”- ”Major instanced of genocide in the 20th century”, Ukrainian Echo: A Monthly English- Language Supplement to “Homin Ukrainy”, 7 (1983) 3, p. 2.-(ibid) Rudling

Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper used the figure of “up to 10 million people” to back the assertions of Bandera and the OUN emigre population in Edmonton. Canada hosts the World Ukrainian Emigre government (UWC). It must be comforting to Harper to have the direct support of the Bandera family.

They inflated the numbers deliberately to make them as high and much higher than the Jewish Holocaust. This was in the hope of getting recognition. This was also in hope of burying the OUN genocides.

Today the growing consensus among scholars is that between 2.5 and 3.5 million died of famine in SSR Ukraine during 1932-33. The total number of deaths in Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Siberia, Caucasus, and throughout Russia are estimated at 5.5-6.5 million people.

“A 2004 study lists the total Ukrainian war deaths (WW2) at 6,850,000 people, or 16.3 % of the population. Of these, a full 5,200,000 were civilians , whereas military victims “only” constituted 1,650,000. Of these civilian deaths,at least 1,4 million, but perhaps as many as 2,1 million Jews were murdered in Ukraine .” - Rudling(ibid)


Source



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 06:33 PM
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I am not the one here defending fascists.


Yes, you are. Please indicate where I have actually endorsed fascism or Nazism. In fact, I have consistently condemned it, even when practiced by Russia. Can you say the same? No.



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 06:54 PM
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So because I don't support Putin's attempt to whitewash history I'm a fascist? In what world does that make sense?



posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 06:58 PM
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So because Chechnya is predominantly Muslim they don't actually count as people and as a result it's fine if they are tortured and executed? Why do I get the feeling at the same time you'd be more than willing to criticize the US over the treatment of prisoners at Abu Gharib and Guantanamo Bay?

Also, where have I ever stated that I support US foreign policy, especially under Reagan? Unlike you I don't see the world in black and white. Just because I don't agree with what Russia is doing doesn't mean that I automatically agree with every move the US makes.

EDIT: I also need to admit that I made a mistake. When I said Russia killed 1.5 million people in Afghanistan that actually wasn't a total number of casualties. That was just civilians. But hey, they were Muslim so it doesn't actually matter. Right?
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posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 03:42 AM
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I am not the one here defending fascists.


In defending a resolution that would deprive people who disagree with you of their freedom of expression,you are actively advocating fascism.

But seeing this thread and how your the one claiming that anyone attacks fascism is therefore trying to curb freedom of expression gives me quite a laugh.


Where do I claim that "anyone [who] attacks fascism is therefore trying to curb freedom of expression?" Everyone who has been following this thread knows that I have never even impliedthat.

Ironically, I am pleased that you have the freedom to make such patently false statements; it enables people to judge the merits of your "argument." The fact that you couple lies with supposed laughter makes me shake my head in sorrow.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 05:45 AM
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So because I don't support Putin's attempt to whitewash history I'm a fascist? In what world does that make sense?


In the world of Putinista's that is the Gospel.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 05:48 AM
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2.Biden has a son that runs an oil company in Ukraine with the current Ukrainian government.


No he heads the legal department he doesn't run the company...do you do any research before posting fallacies?



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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Also, where have I ever stated that I support US foreign policy,


That's the problem with certain members, as they think because you are American or don't feel the same way as them you must support the US foreign policy.

It just amazes me at the mindset of people when it comes to America and what they believe.



posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 05:55 AM
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Everyone who has been following this thread knows that I have never even impliedthat.


Pro Russian backers somewhat remind me of chemtrail pushers...they have to manufacture proof because they have nothing that really backs their claims.




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