Trillion Dollar Conspiracy... 9/11 Mounting Evidence...

originally posted by: samkent
June 25, 2002: The last truckload of debris is carried out of the World Trade Center site. More than 110,000 truckloads of debris have been removed from ground zero.

That was probably the quickest the evidence could be removed. It does not allow very much time to examine anything. What was the budget to analyse material and what was the budget for the removal?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

That was probably the quickest the evidence could be removed. It does not allow very much time to examine anything.

About two million tons of material[citation needed] obtained from Ground Zero was taken to the landfill for sorting.[6] Thousands of detectives and forensic evidence specialists worked for over 1.7 million hours at Fresh Kills Landfill to try to recover remnants of the people killed in the attacks.

I assume they mean 1.7 million man hours.
That's a bunch if you ask me.

The remaining debris was buried in a 40-acre (160,000 m2) portion of the landfill; it is highly likely that this debris still contains fragmentary human remains.[8]

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: MALBOSIA

That was probably the quickest the evidence could be removed. It does not allow very much time to examine anything.

About two million tons of material[citation needed] obtained from Ground Zero was taken to the landfill for sorting.[6] Thousands of detectives and forensic evidence specialists worked for over 1.7 million hours at Fresh Kills Landfill to try to recover remnants of the people killed in the attacks.

I assume they mean 1.7 million man hours.
That's a bunch if you ask me.

The remaining debris was buried in a 40-acre (160,000 m2) portion of the landfill; it is highly likely that this debris still contains fragmentary human remains.[8]

Those were man hours spent looking for remains of humans. Not evidence of explosives.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596

No one wanted...

To discuss why the United States had a whopping total of 14 fighter aircraft as the CONTINENTS SOLE AIR DEFENSE...
To discuss why the Clinton Administration changed the rules on the type of people we gathered intelligence from (i.e. GOOD people with no human rights issues....the type of people who rarely have the intel we need)
To discuss why we lived with rules that prevented the "criminal" desk at the FBI from sharing information with the "terrorism" desk.
To discuss why we lived with rules that prevented the FBI from sharing information with the CIA
To discuss why the communications gear on Air Force One failed MISERABLY on that day. (why else do you think that AF-1 landed first in Louisiana and then in Nebraska? So the President could use a land based secure phone.....)

There a couple hundred reasons why the career politicians really did not want to have an investigation, and even THEN, when they started one, they put people like Jamie Gorelick on the Commission....when SHE should have been testifying in front of it on why she did not allow information to be shared from the Phoenix FBI office to the Terrorism Desk.

That is one of the most important and educational posts ever made on ATS. So many of these truthers were too young to be aware of the political situation in the years leading up to 9/11 that they just don't comprehend how this happened. There can be a meaningful discussion on whether or not Clinton's policies were wise or not, but one must keep in mind just who Clinton is. He is a lawyer. His sense of jurisprudence meant that a person's civil rights must be protected at all costs, even if that person was not even a citizen of the US. To this end, aggressively pursuing possible terrorists was not allowed, or at the very least blocked by the "stovepiping" of info between departments and agencies.

Gorelick was there to preserve Clinton's legacy. There's no doubt in my mind that a deal was made : The commission wouldn't dig into these issues in exchange for Democraps allowing the WoT to proceed.

Just look at Kerry - first he was all for it (per the deal made) and then he immediately flip flopped to being against it.

originally posted by: lexyghot

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596

No one wanted...

To discuss why the United States had a whopping total of 14 fighter aircraft as the CONTINENTS SOLE AIR DEFENSE...
To discuss why the Clinton Administration changed the rules on the type of people we gathered intelligence from (i.e. GOOD people with no human rights issues....the type of people who rarely have the intel we need)
To discuss why we lived with rules that prevented the "criminal" desk at the FBI from sharing information with the "terrorism" desk.
To discuss why we lived with rules that prevented the FBI from sharing information with the CIA
To discuss why the communications gear on Air Force One failed MISERABLY on that day. (why else do you think that AF-1 landed first in Louisiana and then in Nebraska? So the President could use a land based secure phone.....)

There a couple hundred reasons why the career politicians really did not want to have an investigation, and even THEN, when they started one, they put people like Jamie Gorelick on the Commission....when SHE should have been testifying in front of it on why she did not allow information to be shared from the Phoenix FBI office to the Terrorism Desk.

That is one of the most important and educational posts ever made on ATS. So many of these truthers were too young to be aware of the political situation in the years leading up to 9/11 that they just don't comprehend how this happened. There can be a meaningful discussion on whether or not Clinton's policies were wise or not, but one must keep in mind just who Clinton is. He is a lawyer. His sense of jurisprudence meant that a person's civil rights must be protected at all costs, even if that person was not even a citizen of the US. To this end, aggressively pursuing possible terrorists was not allowed, or at the very least blocked by the "stovepiping" of info between departments and agencies.

Gorelick was there to preserve Clinton's legacy. There's no doubt in my mind that a deal was made : The commission wouldn't dig into these issues in exchange for Democraps allowing the WoT to proceed.

Just look at Kerry - first he was all for it (per the deal made) and then he immediately flip flopped to being against it.

They have taken WAY more heat from not investigating 9/11 than they did for ANY of those reasons which makes using that as an excuse outright stupid.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Those were man hours spent looking for remains of humans. Not evidence of explosives.

I disagree.
I'll bet it doesn't take much to tell the difference between a blown steel beam and one that was torn.
After a truck load anyone would be able to tell 'this piece' doesn't look like the previous loads.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

They have? Who has received ANY meaningful heat that has caused them to adjust the way they live their lives or how business is done in Washington D.C.?

a reply to: cheery1

Well, that just goes to show that you believe wrong. Osama Bin Laden was never a CIA agent, and his parents were not "friends" of Daddy Bush.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

They have taken WAY more heat from not investigating 9/11 than they did for ANY of those reasons which makes using that as an excuse outright stupid.

You're Canadian. And obviously young.

You have no idea of what the political climate was in the US in the 90's.

Your remark is rejected.

originally posted by: lexyghot

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

They have taken WAY more heat from not investigating 9/11 than they did for ANY of those reasons which makes using that as an excuse outright stupid.

You're Canadian. And obviously young.

You have no idea of what the political climate was in the US in the 90's.

Your remark is rejected.

Old enough to know the 90's ROCKED!! And don't brush me off just cause I'm Canadian, we lost people in those towers too.

Political climate of the 90's... US and Russia sharing missile defence systems... Clinton would have been voted into a 3rd term if he was allowed and if I remember we were poor and very happy that way.

If you think the political climate is better today than it was in the 90's, I would say you are crazy.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: MALBOSIA

They have? Who has received ANY meaningful heat that has caused them to adjust the way they live their lives or how business is done in Washington D.C.?

I guess if you just brush off the heat as "outrageous conspiracy theories" and ignore them all together... Behind the scenes though, there was a lot going on to contain the mess. Books and songs were being banned in the US. Gag orders flying out like confetti. Sure the politicians looked calm and collect like they always do but their pimps were hard at work and not just because pimpin aint easy.

a reply to: MALBOSIA I see you have fallen victim to falsehoods again. Gag orders were never flying, and what books and songs do you think were banned?

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: MALBOSIA I see you have fallen victim to falsehoods again. Gag orders were never flying, and what books and songs do you think were banned?

ATS THREAD

Edmonds testified before the 9/11 Commission, but her testimony was excluded from the official 567 page 9/11 Commission Report.[3]

WIKI LINK

The 2001 Clear Channel memorandum is a document distributed by Clear Channel Communications shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, to the more than 1,200 radio stations they owned. The memo contained a long list of what the memo termed "lyrically questionable" songs.[1]

WIKI LINK

A spokesman for the U.S. Department of Defense has officially commented that the book's publication was "a slap in the face and real offense to the American people, particularly to the memory of victims of the attacks".[6] The book is regarded as a significant international misinformation threat to national interests by the U.S. Department of State, which has issued an official rebuttal of its key claims.[8]

WIKI LINK

a reply to: MALBOSIA You might want to research Sybil Edmonds history a wee bit before you put too much faith in her words regarding 9/11. She, like a few other darlings of the truth movement have......embellished.....their stories over years. Then you mention Clear Channels decision, which has little to do with anything really. Finally you mention the idiotic book written by Thierry Meyssan, which was still published. So you quote a "whistleblower" who was caught overstating her importance, a list of songs that a media company suggested their stations not play, and a published book that belongs in the fiction section. I'm sorry......what were you saying about banned books, songs and flying gag orders? Because you haven't offered proof of anything, other than a former FBI employee who was fired.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: MALBOSIA You might want to research Sybil Edmonds history a wee bit before you put too much faith in her words regarding 9/11. She, like a few other darlings of the truth movement have......embellished.....their stories over years. Then you mention Clear Channels decision, which has little to do with anything really. Finally you mention the idiotic book written by Thierry Meyssan, which was still published. So you quote a "whistleblower" who was caught overstating her importance, a list of songs that a media company suggested their stations not play, and a published book that belongs in the fiction section. I'm sorry......what were you saying about banned books, songs and flying gag orders? Because you haven't offered proof of anything, other than a former FBI employee who was fired.

Are you telling me that anyone that has challenged the official 9/11 account has been.... discredited???

I for one am shocked.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Are you telling me that anyone that has challenged the official 9/11 account has been.... discredited???

Well, actually they discredit themselves due to the crap they spout!

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: cheery1

Well, that just goes to show that you believe wrong. Osama Bin Laden was never a CIA agent, and his parents were not "friends" of Daddy Bush.

Don't know where you got that from as you are way off base. Yes he was!

Who Is Osama bin Laden? The prime suspect in the New York and Washington terrorists attacks, Saudi-born Osama bin Laden, was recruited during the Soviet-Afghan war, “ironically under the auspices of the CIA, to fight Soviet invaders”.

No kidding?

US Government support to the Mujahideen was presented to world public opinion as a “necessary response” to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in support of the pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal. Recent evidence suggests, however, that the CIA’s military-intelligence operation in Afghanistan had been launched prior rather than in response to the Soviet invasion. Washington’s intent was to deliberately trigger a civil war, which lasted more than 20 years.

The CIA’s role in support of the Mujahideen is confirmed in an 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at the time was National Security Adviser to President Jimmy Carter:
Brzezinski: According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, [on] 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979, that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul.

America's War On Terrorism

Actually the CIA along with Pakistan's ISI were the ones that recruited the Jihadists and Islamic fundamentalists from all over the Middle East to create a “Militant Islamic Network” aimed at doing their dirty work in forcing the Russians out of Afghanistan. Why? The major reason is and always has been the Opium fields!

And also remember who and what Al-Qaeda is. They are a type of Secret Organization within the big Muslim Brotherhood Club. Basically Al-Qaeda is the product of an Arab fascist group that was set up in the 1920s, funded by Adolf Hitler, used by British, French and American Intelligence after WWII, and later was supported by the Saudis and reactivated by the CIA.

You ask anyone across the Muslim world who Osama Bin Laden was and they all say he was a CIA agent. Working for Washington! Funny how people not programmed with Western Media crap know what OBL was, who he worked for and what his goals were. I have worked in the UAE and parts of North and Central Africa and anyone I have talked to know what is going in this world, what the goal is and who the major players are!

The CIA has already admitted that Osama bin Laden was an “intelligence asset” during the Cold War. Or is that not written in your comic book you seem to get your info from?!

Tell you what. Instead of me telling you the facts why don't you do a bit of research for a change. Do a bit of research on the Muslim Brotherhood and you will see all the facts about OBL, CIA, Nazi's, MI6, ISI and how they are all connected. You might even pick up some info that also ties them into 9/11............!!!

a reply to: Deveron

History lesson

There were TWO groups of fighters in Afghanistan. The native Afghanis who were supported by the U.S. and then there was the group of Arabs who came to fight the "infidels" who were recruited, trained and supported by Osama Bin Laden. Even THEN, Westerners, especially Americans, were warned to stay the hell away from any location that Osama was in because he would demand that Westerners be killed on sight. Even back then, he was proclaiming that the Great Satan (USA) was going to be the next war for the faithful.

And with the proliferation of BS on the internet about Osama being a CIA asset, it is no surprise that people believe it. First, most people are not going to dig into history books to figure things out. Second, the CIA gets blamed for damned near every evil thing that happens on the planet...which only shows a FURTHER ignorance of history (70s Church Commission). Third, EVEN IF Osama had once had contact with the CIA it would just be one more example in our history of our Government knowing/helping someone who later turned on us. (Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Vladimir Lenin etc.)

BUT to date, no one has found ANY evidence that Osama had ANY connection to the CIA....save an article in Le Figaro that was found to have been planted by French Intelligence and then the ravings of Ted Gunderson.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

Uhuh!

Tell me when Osama Bin Laden did something against the US will you?

a reply to: Deveron

abcnews.go.com...

"What bin Laden didn't say in 1996 was that his henchmen had a hand in training and equipping the Somali militiamen who inflicted the worst day of casualties in the history of U.S. Special Operations Forces. Deadly al Qaeda attacks in the Horn of Africa against U.S. targets in 1996, 1998 and 2000 followed, leading up to 9/11. "

www.history.com...

"[In 1988, bin Laden created a new group, called al-Qaida (“the base”) that would focus on symbolic acts of terrorism instead of military campaigns. After the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989, bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia to step up fundraising for this new and more complicated mission. However, the comparatively pro-Western Saudi royal family feared that bin Laden’s fiery pan-Islamist rhetoric might cause trouble in the kingdom, and so they tried to keep him as quiet as they could. They took away his passport and spurned his offer to send “Afghan Arabs” to guard the border after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. Then, adding insult to injury, they sought help from the “infidel” U.S. instead. Furious about being snubbed, bin Laden vowed that it was al-Qaida, and not the Americans, who would one day prove to be “master of this world.”

Early the next year, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia for the more militantly Islamist Sudan. After one more year of preparation, al-Qaida struck for the first time: A bomb exploded in a hotel in Aden, Yemen, that had housed American troops on their way to a peacekeeping mission in Somalia. (No Americans died in the blast, but two Austrian tourists did.)

....They were also linked to the 1993 bombing of New York’s World Trade Center; the attempted assassination of Egyptian president Hosni Mubarek in 1995; the bombing of a U.S. National Guard training center in Riyadh that same year; and the truck bomb that destroyed the Khobar Towers, an American military residence in Dharan, in 1996.....

In an attempt to protect himself from arrest and win even more recruits to al-Qaida’s deadly cause, bin Laden moved from Sudan to Afghanistan in 1996. Meanwhile, the scale of al-Qaida’s attacks continued to increase. On August 7, 1998, bombs exploded simultaneously at the U.S. Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, where 213 people were killed and 4,500 were injured, and Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania, where 11 people were killed and 85 were injured. Al-Qaida took credit for the bombings. Then, on October 12, 2000, a small boat loaded with explosives plowed into the hull of the U.S.S. Cole, an American naval destroyer docked off the coast of Yemen. 17 sailors were killed and 38 were injured. Bin Laden took credit for that incident as well.




Again, only uninformed individuals think that Osama worked with ANY Americans.