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originally posted by: lexyghot
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Do you really think an educational institute is going to publish a paper that goes against status quo?
They obviously do, otherwise science would never advance.
And remain "respectable"?
Of course! New science needs strong proof, but when a paper is written that introduces new theories, all it needs to do is present strong evidence that stands up against inquiry and testing.
It happens all the time.
9/11 research for the OS has nothing to do with science or truth, it is about career survival.
Read the NIST report if you think it is about science. It was an opinion with opinion based data and many disclosers of limited liability. Read it.
Of course it has disclaimers.
Their analysis was done with the best tools and info available, but it is not a guarantee that they are 100% correct.
For instance, the NIST report on WTC1 states that the ext column pull in was the first visible sign of global collapse, and so that was the initiating event. However, they also mention that core columns were at their absolute maximum load capacity in the moments before visible movement, and that core column buckling may have been the initating factor. But they weren't sure of that and so they don't hypothesize it.
However, there have been examinations of extremely high res videos that suggest that indeed, the core columns buckled a few moments prior to the ext columns visibly being pulled in, so that has a higher probability now.
But, what does it change?
Impact and fire damage caused the collapse.
originally posted by: smurfy
Yes he did say that. This is my cue to wheel out my favourite Loony Toon, where that person wishes...almost, to do his own indulging in the theme of conspiracy.
originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: olaru12 ........which numbers them with the thousands of people who celebrated that day. You don't think that after a decade of the US telling Israel how to respond/not respond to acts of terrorism that maybe there were some who were relieved to finally see US learn what its like to have acts of terror in our country? Or maybe you did not pay attention to mid east issues in the 80s and 90s...
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
However, on topic, maybe you'd like to share what else may have caused the collapse of it wasn't Fire alone...
Instead of slagging off the video, add something to the hypothesis.
Seismic design relies on modelling, risk analysis and changes to the structural stiffness. Wind design relies on additional structural members and wind tunnel tests. Current fire design relies on very simple, single element tests and adding insulating material to the frame. Thermal induced forces are not calculated or designed for.