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Is Obama hoping a Racial Civil war breaks out in the US?

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posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: Gryphon66
Why would the President of the United States "want a Civil War to bust out in the nation"?

Why would any of the Presidents of the United States do a lot of things that they do? There is always an agenda or a personal itch needing scratching that they 'take care of' while in the Oval Office. Doesn't matter if it's a democrat or republican ... there is always something going on under the candy coating. Obama is no different.

As for why he'd want a civil war? The anecdotal evidence points to his 20 years in the Black Liberation Theology cult in Chicago. ATS Thread - Obama's Church Not Your Average Christian Church . It's entirely possible there could be a personal agenda. Then there is the fact that if there is massive social unrest with riots and looting, then the POTUS can use a whole lot more power and take over the airwaves and internet etc etc .... a power grab. There are lots of reasons a POTUS - either (D) or (R) - would benefit from large scale civil unrest. Some reasons political and some possibly personal.

IMHO

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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Is Obama hoping a Racial Civil war breaks out in the US?



Barack Hussein Obama is a puppet he couldn't pass a fart in a one room out house unless someone pulled his strings.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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This is a good topic line, however we are stuck with this person for a bit. My interest is who we're getting next! Hillary is certainly a front runner unless she has a major stroke. I'm sure there are Many back office deals going on right now in this upcoming decision.. Who and what will be paying to get her into office? Or any of the rest of them for that matter.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: scattergun

Ugh. At this point, we're going to end up with Mitt Romney. The Republicans could dress a turd up, pin a flag lapel pin on it and it'd win by a landslide. I think the fact that Romney induces so much psychic pain in me strongly suggests that he will be our next president. Consistently, since I was old enough to be aware of politics, the guy I dreadest most is the one who has won the thing.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

Thank you,
Many want to hide their heads in the sand and continue with their glazed over view.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

With all respect ...

Was there anything in the evidence presented by the OP (the President's speech regarding the Grand Jury decision in Ferguson MO) that would suggest that he either wants or was working toward any basis for a "civil war/race war" as noted in the OP?

Your use of "anecdotal evidence" in reference to Mr. Obama's church membership notwithstanding, did he repeat any of Reverend Wright's purported dogma in the speech on Ferguson? If not, the comment smells of Red Herring.

I think we need to limit our dislike of politicians back to the reasonable and rational, and that is only my opinion.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: scattergun

Ugh. At this point, we're going to end up with Mitt Romney. The Republicans could dress a turd up, pin a flag lapel pin on it and it'd win by a landslide. I think the fact that Romney induces so much psychic pain in me strongly suggests that he will be our next president. Consistently, since I was old enough to be aware of politics, the guy I dreadest most is the one who has won the thing.


Could be, however America isn't ready for a Mormon. He couldn't garner enough of the Evangelical vote. And his background in business scared a few off I think. He spent some time as a corporate raider and that won't get you money.

Unfortunately I don't see any GOP candidate that could beat Clinton if she runs. That truly sucks but thats where we are at right now. She seems to be evolving at the moment and looking pretty Hawkish on policy. Kinda strange. And she hasn't aligned herself to any organization yet besides Women Voters..which is logical for her.. But I don't think Mitt's wife will be in for the drama again...lol



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I think many of us are forgetting history because we don't want to admit what this current puppet in power truly is. The OP and Flyersfan gave us all the facts we need (as if we needed any more to convince us the pres is useless?).

People see through the tactics in Washington which have spread throughout the internet and society. We see through it.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: Gryphon66

I think many of us are forgetting history because we don't want to admit what this current puppet in power truly is. The OP and Flyersfan gave us all the facts we need (as if we needed any more to convince us the pres is useless?).

People see through the tactics in Washington which have spread throughout the internet and society. We see through it.


Perhaps you can reiterate the "facts" presented then, since they are "all we need"? Rather than, you know, just gesturing to material vaguely?

Perhaps those with a certain political bias don't need any further evidence for the bold (not to mention ludicrous) claim that the President of the United States is trying to start a Civil War, but the rest of us certainly do?

Perhaps, for those of us that do not freely absorb any talking points generated by the mainstream Republican media require a bit more factual material, rather than empty rhetoric that satisfies our confirmation bias?



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Geeze can we get off of the whole


Was there anything in the evidence presented by the OP (the President's speech regarding the Grand Jury decision in Ferguson MO) that would suggest that he either wants or was working toward any basis for a "civil war/race war" as noted in the OP?


Thing?

Who cares what the POTUS said! He is a known liar!

Lets look at his demeanor during those speeches and/or history like FlyersFan did. It's actually a very good point. The POTUS does have a background with black power extremists groups and his advisers and mentors are alike in that manner.

Time to look past the teleprompter smooth talk and take a look at history.
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posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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There still seems to be many that remain either clueless or are simply watching with blind eyes to the what protesting should be and Why are there no reminders from Obama? Rioting is not protesting. Some are saying a nation of free speech.. well again Free speech shouldnt involve destruction or theft of other property. Why is OBAMA silent now?



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: Gryphon66

I think many of us are forgetting history because we don't want to admit what this current puppet in power truly is. The OP and Flyersfan gave us all the facts we need (as if we needed any more to convince us the pres is useless?).

People see through the tactics in Washington which have spread throughout the internet and society. We see through it.


Someone else has said this but I think it needs seconding - what facts? Show me the facts. You mean people have given their opinion and for you that makes it proof? Fine, don't expect a better future though, expect the future other people think you are entitled to.

Your president has relatively little power if you have people in senate and congress who would rather dismiss everything just in case agreeing makes it look like the president has won the argument. Sad state of affairs really. I'm not surprised executive orders are used if the elected children keep acting like children.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, that went a little off topic.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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Sure! Let's just give in to what we believe rather than what is actually said?

Why should we focus on the actual facts of the actual speech referenced by the OP???

That's just crazy isn't it?

Let's just continue to trumpet our individual feelings about the President and pretend like those make rational sense, right?

No thanks; I prefer logic and facts to propaganda and garbage reasoning.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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BHO is not set on causing a racial crisis situation-of-conflicts..
but he is intentionally trying to radically change the atmosphere of debate in the racial sphere...
we are being instructed that the institutionalized questions and attitudes surrounding the police or authorities interacting with non-whites are to be overturned from the status-quo... so that truth/justice/fairness can finally blossom in this past-&-current biased society

with BHO, all of the power-authority structures under which the USA has evolved, are inherently racial biased against non-whites...
from religions to banking to employment to every aspect of the modern culture in America... it ALL has to be overturned,

'Transformed' towards his enlightened preferences....


at least that's the way I see the things he sees as needing change
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posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: St Udio
BHO is not set on causing a racial crisis situation-of-conflicts..
but he is intentionally trying to radically change the atmosphere of debate in the racial sphere...
we are being instructed that the institutionalized questions and attitudes surrounding the police or authorities interacting with non-whites are to be overturned from the status-quo... so that truth/justice/fairness can finally blossom in this biased society

with BHO, all the power-authority structures under which the USA evolved, are racial biased against non-whites...
from religions to banking to employment to every aspect of the modern culture in America... it ALL has to be overturned, 'Transformed' towards his enlightened preferences....

at least that's the way I see the things he sees as needing change


Interesting.

So do you see the calls of many Republicans and Tea Partiers for an American Revolution 2.0, for violent opposition which will require the use of massive stockpiles of firearms as challenging all the "power-authority structures under which the USA evolved"?

Are you saying that President Obama and the Tea Party, et. al. are really on the same side?

That is an interesting position; any proof you have to offer?



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: Lil Drummerboy

As much as people don't like this guy I don't subscribe to that theory....there is absolutely nothing to gain as a country from this type of divide...how can we be prosperous as a country??



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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" Is Obama hoping a Racial Civil war breaks out in the US? "

I bet he is hoping in a big way.

His ironic talk the other night about "accepting" the Grand Jury decision is just him talking in his usual opposite ways.

He often says one thing and in fact means the opposite.

It's the old "wink wink" tactic.

As he was talking, the rioting started right on cue


It would have been embarrassing to anybody else.

Check.

A "civil war" would give him immense power.




posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Defense tactics are not the same as offensive tactics.

Example:

Ferguson rioting is an offense, Bundy Ranch was defensive.




posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Was there anything in the evidence presented by the OP ...

The OP wasn't making a statement and presenting evidence. He was asking a question - Is Obama hoping a Racial Civil war breaks out in the US? And then he gave anecdotal information that is making him ask this question.

did he repeat any of Reverend Wright's purported dogma in the speech on Ferguson? If not, the comment smells of Red Herring.

Why did you put parameters of 'the Ferguson speech' on that? Obama named his book after Wrights speeches and Obama sat in the pews listening to that stuff for 20 years. If he didn't agree with it, he wouldn't have been able to stomach being there for even a day let alone 20 years. Having that stuff pumped into his brain for 20 years is going to leave an impression. We don't know what extent the damage was.

I think we need to limit our dislike of politicians back to the reasonable and rational, and that is only my opinion.

It is reasonable and rational to acknowledge that all politicians have their agendas and they get their own itches scratched.

In regards to Obama and him wanting a civil war, there is nothing solid to point at. However, it is well within reason to look at the anecdotal and use some common sense and come to the conclusion that he COULD be maneuvering the country towards civil unrest. Looking at how things are going down, it seems that a lot of the politicians and media could be.

On this subject and at this point, as long as people say 'it looks like it could be' and not 'definitely' then it's not a red herring or a far fetched thought. It's obvious that people running the country are either inept OR they are stoking the flames. One or the other. Or both. IMHO

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 27 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Perhaps those with a certain political bias don't need any further evidence for the bold (not to mention ludicrous) claim that the President of the United States is trying to start a Civil War, but the rest of us certainly do?

The OP didn't make the claim. He asked the question. He noticed things and is connecting dots and is asking what others think. I didn't see an absolute claim. He asked the question, and since you think the answer is no then you can post that 'no' answer and your reason for thinking it. No problem.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




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