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i want to see the law come down hard on ferguson

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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: eisegesis
a reply to: Grovit

Okay, fair enough.

My only contribution is that "Ferguson" is not a thing. Lot's of confused people being strung along, just because they're black. It's sad that black people see their color as a reason to stick together and not by the color of their thoughts and actions. There are few leaders and A LOT of followers.



you know damn well what i meant by ferguson thing...the ferguson situation. the ferguson incident.
whatever...you got the point...youre smart. dont make it into something its not.

few leaders, lots of followers...ok. great..
whats the point to that?
if someone was looting stores, setting fires, and jacking people then they need to be arrested....
thats my opinion on it..

not a single protestor got harrassed by the cops, gassed by the cops, nothing like that...they were protesting and marching for hours before the decision came down....when they heard it was not the decision they wanted, things changed. it got rowdy....that is when the cops stepped in.

people keep laying blame on the cops though...

'they were too busy gassing protestors'
thats cute




posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:28 PM
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You've hit the nail on the head, people have been charged with incting a riot for far less, the more i read and see, the more it winds me up. Its got to a point where racism is used to justify commiting crime, they don't care who gets hurt as long as they can kick off and riot. We had riots over here(uk) a few years ago, over the same thing, a thug got shot by police, then came mass riots, many people got charged, some imprisoned, nearly all of them were caught out on cctv or social media/youtube videos, using facial reconition software, so its possible and easily done. I think its got to the point where the people are getting tired of being accused of being racist for doing their jobs. reply to: Grovit



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:32 PM
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The guard is there....... Enact Martial law.


Anyone on the street between dusk & dawn is shot on sight.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: Grovit

I would like to see the criminals apprehended, but not the entire community punished, they already feel that way.


I 100% agree with you.

Peaceful protesting is a right of the american people and IMHO if they want to be taken seriously then point out the ones who are creating the violence.

To heydiddlediddle with the "snitches get stitches" mentality.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: Grovit

The way I see it, if the law was to "come down hard on Ferguson", there would be one hundred more threads just like yours about martial law and excessive force against protesters.

My point was, among the chaos, do you really think it's that easy to arrest the bad ones out of the group? We are lucky to get live streams and updates from certain journalists but how do you tell who is really to blame for every criminal act that takes place?

If your mother or father told you to kick in the front glass of a store and loot the place, by your logic, the parents should be arrested for inciting a violent criminal act?



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: Grovit

From the footage I have watched the cops are too busy gassing protesters and don't have time for looters and rioters....



Hell, there's not much left to loot

Either it's been burned down to the ground or already broke into

These people are just using this Brown incident as an excuse to steal and act like thugs

Not saying the protestors mind you but the others that are taking advantage of this situation

Destroying their own community....now that's just plain ignorant!!!!


edit on 26-11-2014 by snarky412 because: spweeeling....ugh



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: eisegesis

My point was, among the chaos, do you really think it's that easy to arrest the bad ones out of the group? We are lucky to get live streams and updates from certain journalists but how do you tell who is really to blame for every criminal act that takes place?

If your mother or father told you to kick in the front glass of a store and loot the place, by your logic, the parents should be arrested for inciting a violent criminal act?


i dont think it is that easy to make arrests in all that chaos....but, since we have videos that happened life from within the protest, there is something to go on.
im not talking about the cnn feeds. im talking about the masri feed and others like it.
there were people on those feeds commiting those crimes.
one dude was on top of that cop car kicking the windshield in....it would be awesome if they could run that frame against the software and bring his ass in.
i know they cant tell who is to blame for all of it....the flip to that is they can tell who was responsible for some of it....

are parents not responsible for their kids?
do they not bring charges up against parents if their kids dont attend school and things like that?
they do here

so yeah, if mommy is telling her son to go trash the store she should be held responsible.

theyre not going to know that though....
that one would be hard to prove.....but yes, they should be responsible

if they are held responsible for truancy, they should be held responsible for that



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Grovit

The grand jury should have chosen to indict and let due process play out.

These "protestors" are total pieces of garbage who deserve corporal punishment.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but part of "due process" is a grand jury investigation prior to bringing charges, to make sure there are any possible charges that can be brought.

Burning down business, churches, and hurting innocent people should never be allowed to "BULLY" due process into whatever chaos wants.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: mwood
The guard is there....... Enact Martial law.


Anyone on the street between dusk & dawn is shot on sight.




awesome....coming to a town near you...martial law in all its glory.....all because the cops couldnt control a few looters and whats worse is they knew damn well looting was on the cards......

you actually want to see martial law enacted....now that is really scary



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

These people are burning down businesses, physically hurting one another, killing some people, burning down even churches.. absolutely nothing is sacred and they have destroyed an entire town.

YES martial law. THIS is what it is for.. to protect innocent people. Start protecting all the innocent people already from these horrible individuals doing all this!



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: Grovit

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I had not seen the video of Brown's father doing that until just now.


Everything I had heard said that the parents wanted nothing but peaceful protests and 4 1/2 minutes of silence following the verdict. Obviously the 4 1/2 minutes weren't heeded, but were also used to incite riots. So I agree... He needs to answer for that. He stood up there and did that KNOWING full well that so many were more than willing to do just what he was asking.

That's a shame. He didn't get the decision he wanted so he decided to call for the destruction of cars, businesses, homes, and other property of anyone and everyone in the vicinity... INCLUDING those that had protested lawfully the death of his son.

So in the end, they didn't matter, his neighborhood didn't matter, nothing mattered except his feeling of being wronged. Totally not acceptable... But obviously still accepted.

Unreal.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

These people are burning down businesses, physically hurting one another, killing some people, burning down even churches.. absolutely nothing is sacred and they have destroyed an entire town.

YES martial law. THIS is what it is for.. to protect innocent people. Start protecting all the innocent people already from these horrible individuals doing all this!




sorry i do not agree.....this is why we have an armed police force....martial law is taking it to a whole new level



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: Grovit

you know the gov has way way MORE high tech facial rec software they use on us every day...Ive seen it in many video shows on conspiracy - big brother n the like...but of course....they deny.....

check out History2 Channels Book of Secrets-BigBrother



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's so out of hand at this point martial law is the ONLY way to get it back under control! The regular police are obviously unable to deal with it at this level, or it would have been dealt with by now!



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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As a side note; for all you who cry racism.. many of the innocent people in need of protection right now are black too. They also have rights, the right to safety. We cannot forget, nor abandon them to criminals - or we become no better than the criminals themselves.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: Grovit


there were people on those feeds commiting those crimes.
one dude was on top of that cop car kicking the windshield in....it would be awesome if they could run that frame against the software and bring his ass in.

The software? You mean facial and behavioral recognition software? Did the person conceal their face? This is the very thing I am on this site advocating against. Unless the person is witnessed by law enforcement while committing the crime, I would argue in this specific case, the videos aren't going to do jack. When you say they can tell who is responsible, I highly disagree.


are parents not responsible for their kids?
do they not bring charges up against parents if their kids dont attend school and things like that?
they do here

This was a riot and to think Michaels father was the first or only person to incite a violent protest is foolish. As I am over 18 years of age, remind me next time I break the law to tell the officer that my parents "suggested" that I do it.

A riot will always be a riot. Out of control and over bearing whether you are a protestor or the police. Your will to see Ferguson get what they deserve is misplaced. There are those who throw the first stone and those who mimic the first stone thrown. Both committed the same act. Are they both as equally guilty?



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's so out of hand at this point martial law is the ONLY way to get it back under control! The regular police are obviously unable to deal with it at this level, or it would have been dealt with by now!




then the regular police need to be retrained......the job description is crime fighting...looting and burning down businesses is a crime and should be dealt with accordingly....hell the cops have military weapons, Armour and vehicles

if they implement martial law in ferguson it will not be long until we see it spread across the country and soon any protests of any kind will be squashed with curfews and martial law



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

what up kango?
im surprised you didnt see that before.
it really threw me for a loop.

in the days leading up to the decision, the family was in fact asking for a peaceful protest. people on here were adamant that the 'real' protestors wanted to have their voice heard, lawfully and peacefully and the rough customers were not the true protestors. outside agitators...things like that...

well i was watching the protest for a couple hours before the decision was made. mama and daddy brown still said it. we want a peaceful protest. after the decision we ask for 4.5 minutes of silence.
well, you saw what happened...it took about 1:17 for daddy brown to flip the switch and call for them to burn it down.
it was peaceful for almost 3 hours up till that point.
about 15 minutes after the decision, 13:43 after daddy brown calls for them to burn it down, a police car was trashed and torched....then it all broke loose.

this is why i dont understand posters like dragonfire...
he/she says things like 'they only wanted a peaceful protest....the cops wouldnt let them'
the cops the cops the cops
the cops were too busy gassing protestors to deal with the looting

thats a bunch of BS

they protested for hours and the police did nothing to stop or silence them....most of us on here watched it live.
cnn and the msm may not have shown the real deal, but a lot of us watched feeds from within the crowds...
it was all good for several hours.

once the violence and looting started, the cops stepped in...

that is a fact

the little comments like the ones dragonfire makes is quite frakly, bull #

that posters and others are not telling it like it really happened.

go through the 100 page thread if you have time. myself and many, many others were giving live play by plays. skeptic was posting tweets and pics from twitter.
a lot of us were posting it as we saw it....
see for yourself

it should be pretty clear at this point that this was never about mike brown...they claimed as much but we should know by now....



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I am not going to go around in redundant circles with you. It's bull what you say about if they implement martial law in a necessary situation that they will just simply do it everywhere for no good reason. That is being an extremist in your thought.

Therefore I will reiterate once more, and never again because I am not doing the circles.. if the regular police could do anything they would have stopped it by now. It is time for the national guard to step in for the protection of the innocent people in the community.

I can no more allow innocent people be unsafe when taxes are paid to allow people to enjoy a certain safety in their homes and their properties.. they deserve protection, not just who cares what criminals do to them because they are black or whatever you want to pretend! Well I care!

INNOCENT people are being hurt. That is enough.



edit on 26-11-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: eisegesis

The software? You mean facial and behavioral recognition software? Did the person conceal their face? This is the very thing I am on this site advocating against. Unless the person is witnessed by law enforcement while committing the crime, I would argue in this specific case, the videos aren't going to do jack. When you say they can tell who is responsible, I highly disagree.
disagree all you want. cameras pick peoples faces out of crowds all the time. faces are recognized that way all the time. if they cant id from the frames then they cant...but maybe they can...i tend to think so id's can come of going through those frames....seeing the person committing a crime on a live feed should be enough to snatch them up..these people should not get a pass. IF they can id them, then they should charge them...imo


This was a riot and to think Michaels father was the first or only person to incite a violent protest is foolish. As I am over 18 years of age, remind me next time I break the law to tell the officer that my parents "suggested" that I do it.
mock it if you want. age should play a factor but people need to pay for this #. kid, parent, someone....parents get taken to court all the time for allowing their kids to be truants from school...very common thing. imo, if a parent can be charged with a crime for that, then they can damn sure be charged with telling their kid to loot a store...absolutely....

A riot will always be a riot. Out of control and over bearing whether you are a protestor or the police. Your will to see Ferguson get what they deserve is misplaced. There are those who throw the first stone and those who mimic the first stone thrown. Both committed the same act. Are they both as equally guilty?


i dont think it is misplaced at all.
yes, the person who throws the first stone and the person who throws the last are both guilty..leader, follower, whatever.
people are responsible for their own actions..
im sorry but the 'but it was a riot' does not mean they should get a pass...hell no

the ones who are suffering AGAIN, are people like the old man that got tuned up and has his car ripped off. the guy that got his store looted in the name of mike brown. the people that worked at wal greens and mcdonalds that no longer have a job...they are the ones that are suffering for this crap and someone, as many as possible needs to answer for that....

i admitted i dont have the logistics....im wide open to suggestions...
instead of letting these looters kick back on their porch and jump on facebook on their prepaid, they need to be charged and put on the work crew or something.
do some damn cleanup. sweep the streets...help unload supplies for the rebuild that they dont have to pay for..

SOMETHING needs to be done....



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