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Cleveland police officer shot Tamir Rice immediately after leaving moving patrol car

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posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:30 AM
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And it gets even better....


Timothy Loehmann, the Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice within two seconds of encountering the boy, was deemed "unfit for duty" while serving on another police force. Supervisors specifically cited his "dismal" handgun performance and emotional instability when they forced him to resign in December 2012.

Loehmann was previously employed by the City of Independence. During a training exercise at a gun range, he became "distracted and weepy,"


Another case of idiot cop tossed out on his ass, only to be hired by another department.




posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:38 AM
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a reply to: TKDRL

You forget to mention that it becomes clear from the vid that the kid went for the gun in his waistband, probably to drop it. Bad judgement. Cop did nothing wrong giving his knowledge of the situation at that time.



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: ShakesPiers
According to the liar cop, he shouted 3 times to drop the gun, then fired when he "went for his gun". See the logic disconnect there? And it happens all too often in police shootings.

His lie of orderinging him to drop the gun 3 times only dug him deeper. Cop is an idiot. Probably won't be indicted anyway, the DA will probably blow it in the grand jury proceedings on purpose like they usually do for cops.

edit on Thu, 04 Dec 2014 07:47:34 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: TKDRL

The fact remains that I can see the kid go for the gun in his waistband in the vid. Are you denying this?



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: ShakesPiers
The fact remains you cannot drop a gun without "going for the gun".



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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originally posted by: Grovit
a reply to: TKDRL

yaaaawn....




I'm sorry, does all this talk of dead 12 year olds, BORE YOU?!

Whatever happened to "FREEZE" and "DROP THE WEAPON"?

Now, we just shoot to kill... IMMEDIATELY?

THAT is EXACTLY why a 12 year old boy is dead!

Non-professionalism.



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: TKDRL

That's besides the point and you know it. You cannot expect the cop to assume that his intention was to drop the gun. The kid went for the gun and the cop had to make a split second decision.

100% justified.



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: ShakesPiers

If it were 100%, no one would be arguing...

You don't get that?



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: applesthateatpeople
a reply to: ShakesPiers

If it were 100%, no one would be arguing...

You don't get that?


someone will always argue

do you not get that?



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: Grovit




the cops are there to protect the community. not just darwin junior.


Right, not just, but also INCLUDING darwin junior...you forgot that in your appraisal.

Assuming the cops thought the gun was a real one, the kid was a pretty piss poor gunman and not dangerous to the community since he was sauntering around that area for ages, people were walking by right next to him, a guy was sitting at that bench for a long while and other people were strolling along nearby before the cops turned up and shot him dead... if he was THAT dangerous to the community, a danger that the cop thought required immediate execution, why then did they think that nobody and nothing was shot by the kid and the only shooting was by the cop?

The danger to the community, and i include the poor kid himself as he was a member of that community, only came from those cops, not the kid.

Bad tactics, bad procedure and terrible result for all concerned.

Yes, the kid was an idiot waving an air gun around, but let's not forget he was 12 years old..he was a young child doing a childish thing. He didn't deserve to be killed for being a bored and stupid kid.

The cops had a responsibility to handle that situation in a much more professional and understanding way..if they had demonstrated the level of professionalism they are trained to show, the kid would have been alive with perhaps just a clip behind his ear by his parents for being a naughty boy, and not a 12 year old corpse on a morgue slab.



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: MysterX




The cops had a responsibility to handle that situation in a much more professional and understanding way..if they had demonstrated the level of professionalism they are trained to show


What are they trained to do when a gun is pulled on them?



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: ShakesPiers
According to the cop he told him to drop the gun. So he killed him for attempting to follow the retard's command, if you believe the liar.



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: applesthateatpeople




If it were 100%, no one would be arguing...


In a 100% moron free world no one would be. I see cases of cops being in the wrong once at least every week. In this case the action taken was justified.

You expect cops to risk their life by awaiting the outcome of what was a life endangering situation from their (logical) point of view?



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: TKDRL

Think about it. Would the cops drive up that close knowing the situation was potentially deadly, that this was a real gun?

They act cowardly, yet boldly go right into the danger zone. IMO, they knew it was not a threat.



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: TKDRL

I don't believe the liar actually.



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: Maverick7

Seems like that if it would've been a real gun and a real attempt to draw and fire on them, that they were quite succesfull at stopping such an action.
edit on 4-12-2014 by ShakesPiers because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: ShakesPiers
Neither do I. He didn't have time to say drop the gun once before he executed him, let alone three times. He is a liar, and a coward, the reason he is lieing is because he knows he is in the wrong. The cops screwed up and killed a kid. They both should be going to jail for it, but they probably won't.

edit on Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:29:28 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 08:34 AM
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I think he is in the right based on the kid making the move. The cops likely panicked once they realized it was a kid with a fake gun and made up a story that their idiot minds thought would make it look better for them. They didn't realize the problematic contradiction that would come along with it.



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: TKDRL

beat me to this! funny how you posted this, so far, not one of the cop apologists has commented on this bit of information. cop was deemed unfit for duty by another department!



posted on Dec, 4 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: ShakesPiers
a reply to: TKDRL

That's besides the point and you know it. You cannot expect the cop to assume that his intention was to drop the gun. The kid went for the gun and the cop had to make a split second decision.

100% justified.



In hindsight this man should never have been a police officer. CPD was negligent in not acquiring basic information about him. I'll quote his superiors:




"Ptl. Loehmann's inability to perform basic functions as instructed, and his inability to emotionally function because of a personal situation at home with an on and off again girlfriend leads one to believe that he would not be able to substantially cope, or make good decisions, during or resulting from any other stressful situation," Polok wrote.

"I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies," Independence Deputy Chief Jim Polak wrote in a November 2012 memo.

Loehmann was visibly “distracted and weepy” during a gun range training course, and could not follow simple directions or communicate clearly.

“His handgun performance was dismal,” read the memo, which called the incident a “dangerous loss of composure.” The training officer took Loehmann’s weapons away and drove with him to pick up some of his other gear, but the officer continued to have an “emotional meltdown,” crying at times as he described relationship problems with his girlfriend to his training sergeant.


Are these the incompetent monkeys you are apologizing for?
edit on 4-12-2014 by gorsestar because: (no reason given)




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