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Someone with technical electrical knowledge: Please help!

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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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So I recently discovered the "Lightbulb of Dendera" wall carving:


(I particularly like the Lotus plug!)
And couldn't help noticing the little 4 tiered guy helping to hold up the light bulb. Apparently mainstream Egyptologists call that little guy a Djed Pillar and it's supposed to represent the Pharoh's spine and is used as a symbol of strength fairly often in their art and artifacts.



But....to me it looks like one of those insulator things on electricity towers:


So, does anyone have some technical knowledge that could maybe have a theory about what form of energy (electrical, magnetic, etc.) a component like this could be used for? It seems a majority of the representations show 4 tiers. Can anyone tell me what difference the number of tiers makes in modern counterparts?

Let's not even debate ancient aliens and all that, I'm just trying to take it at face value and figure out what technical purpose an object of that structure could possibly have.




posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

I wish I had the answer but usually the ceramic disc's are both insulator and spacer, current causes inductance and space reduces the effect of this between two conductor's (also helps prevent arcing which high voltage conductors tend to do) as the magnetic field of each conductor is atenuated over distance, I never got into three phase electrical science but there are plenty on this site who know all about that so a sparky may well enlighten if they feel so inclined.

Here is some interesting stuff


I wonder if schist has conductive or insulating property's anything like ceramic.

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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767
Thanks for the first reply Labtech! Thanks for the video too! The disk is obviously something mechanical and the bird has aerodynamic features NOT found in nature (the shape of the tail- vertical like a plane, not horizontal like a bird). I think it's horrendously arrogant to think that ancient people were not capable of equal, different or dare I say, better technology than what we've been able to come up with.

Back to the task at hand: I am a very intelligent person, but I do NOT have a talent for technical/mechanical things. So someone please explain it to me like you would a child or something.



By the name 'insulator' I gather that the modern version protects some part from the electricity or keeps the electricity contained. What exactly are they insulating? Are they separating parts that shouldn't be touching? Does more 'levels' make a better insulator? Maybe if the energy involved was something besides electricity (geomagnetic?, negative energy like in Ghostbusters II Lol!) and the materials of the insulators were something other than ceramic?

Second topic that just popped in my head:
If an area is receiving free energy from say, a Tesla Tower, how would the light fixtures and appliances work? You wouldn't have to plug anything in for power. I guess each individual socket/appliance would have a local switch to turn them off, but how do you turn off the power if it's all around at all times instead of traveling through wiring?



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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I just looked at the modern diagram some more and I can see how the insulators separate the cables. Logically, more insulators would mean better insulation. But it doesn't seem like a very important component (to be worshipped and all).

Would something of the form of the Djed Pillar be capable of doing something more impressive? Such as conducting, harnessing, transmitting energy? (And, not necessarily electrical energy.) Is there some significance to the 4 tiers?



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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Looks like a big glass jar with a snake in it too me and these snakes were like gods so they would let one snake see another one in a jar but they would not be able to fight or maybe mate.

An element in a lamp needs to be thin to make it get hot so if the drawing is too scale then you would need about 500 amps at 220 volts

Watts would be "I" times "v" to heat that thing up and we know that voltage is low (less than 3000v) because the wires are close together and seem to join at the socket end.

I know they may have had primitive batteries and you could connect a few hundred up to get a voltage and the current to power a light for a few seconds but you would still have no reason to make it that big and if you look at early designs we know about in the 1800's then they were nothing like that.

The power of suggestion might be more interesting than the truth on this one I thinks
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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 03:32 PM
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The fact is: no one knows the truth. It's anyone's guess. Maybe it IS a picture of ancient snake fighting. *shrug*

To me it looks like a light bulb. And I'm going to assume they used a snake to symbolize energy/light....because, how else do you 'draw' electricity? And maybe the dynastic Egyptians weren't even using this type of technology, maybe it was remnants of an even older, more advanced civilization that came before them.

Maybe the Djed Pillar DOES represent the Pharoh's spine. I don't know. But the thing looks technical to me. And it was obviously very important to them. So I was wondering what function something of that form may have.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard
I like your watts/volts explanation in comparison to size. And estimating how many Bagdad Batteries it would take to fire it up! That would be a sight wouldn't it?!

But what if:
1. it wasn't to scale
2. it wasn't electricity they were using to power it

And light bulbs circa 1800s are moot. Obviously they were developed independently of whatever this was.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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without the insulators the electricity wouldn`t go far because it would travel down the pole and into the ground.
electricity follows the path of least resistance so the insulators (which are made of material that is a very poor conductor of electricity) keep the wires from touching the pole.The pole would act as a giant grounding rod ( much like a lighting rod) if the wires were connecedt directly to the pole.

eta: I think modern insulators are made of ceramic or porcelean because they are very poor conductors of electricity and heat.
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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 03:57 PM
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Here is another perspective of the mural. They are clearly snakes, not filaments. It is indeed odd how they appear to be in containers, but this is actually a well known representation of lotus flower bulbs, used all throughout Egypt. The snakes are not actually fighting, but are representative of fertility; possibly showing the god Ihy being born from a lotus flower.

Obversely, an electrical engineer from Vienna named Walter Garn built a working 40 cm model based on the mural, so who knows? There's actually a pretty in depth review of the 'Bulb' that can be found here.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 04:16 PM
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Those bulbs were for the movie projectors, the pyramids were the screens. First drive-in movie theaters.

What is wrong with imagination?



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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Thank you for all the replies! And special thanks to Tardacus for explaining the insulators in a way I can understand!

But.... my main curiosity was regarding the Djed Pillar, not the fighting snake bulbs. And no one's even attempted to answer my Tesla Tower question (second post after the OP).



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 04:30 PM
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Just found this:


"Electromagnetic Voltage Transformers
Mehru manufactures the following type of potential transformers:-
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Single phase, single pole voltage transformers, to connect between line & earth up to 300kV voltage class
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Both pole voltage transformers, to connect between line to line up to 36kV voltage class.
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Three phase voltage transformers star/star connected upto 36kV voltage class.
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Three phase residual voltage transformers star/ delta connected up to 36kV voltage class."

So these guys sound similar to the insulators, but they act as more like connectors. Is there something similar to this that does something more impressive? Such as transmit or radiate or amplify energy? I'm going back to scour Tesla blueprints too.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Transformers reduce the voltage. since one electric line serves so many homes the line carries much more than the 110 volts that your outlets and appliances use.transformers reduce that higher voltage down to 110 volts before it is carried into your house. one of the side effects of reducing that voltage is heat,transformers produce a lot of heat.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 04:47 PM
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Wow! Just found this:
Magnetic Overly-Efficient Variable Engine Rotary

This guy is gearing the configuration for use with motors. Does anyone have any idea if 4 of these puppies could be lined up on a tower and used as a generator/amplifier/antennae/transmitter???



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

You really shouldn't unquestioningly believe everything you read on the internet.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: Tardacus
Thank you again Tardacus!!!! Yeah, insulators and transformers just aren't impressive enough to achieve 'god' status.

Some folks think the great pyramids were built of conductive stone and insulated with non-conductive stone. Natural energy from the sun (geomagnetic) combined with water in an aquifer beneath the pyramids to create a subtle, useable energy. Now picture a Tesla tower on top (Djed Pillar) with the ability to amplify? direct? transmit? harness? said energy.

Hypothetically.

I'm not claiming this is fact. And please keep ancient aliens and this guy out of it:




posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: GetHyped
I'm not believing anything one way or the other. I'm playing the 'what if' game. If you don't want to play, keep your comments to yourself.



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
Does anyone have any idea if 4 of these puppies could be lined up on a tower and used as a generator/amplifier/antennae/transmitter???


No, they do nothing. It would just sit there, looking silly.

There have been many threads here before on the "lightbulb", it appears to be a lotus flower.

jcolavito.tripod.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Here is a simplified tale of Osiris, www.egyptianmyths.net...

Now though the Djed is meant to represent his spine it may also have has a duel functionality as a kind of lingam like the indian's use to make offering's to there god's.

Note that His willy had been eaten by a fish so this version of the tale misses out that Isis took a branch (personally I think ancient king's the possible source of the story and the branch may have been another member of the family also I am suspicious as to wether Osiris was really a female) and fashioned a new one by which she got pregnant with horus.

Another interpretation is that the Jed represent's four pillar's one behind the other but it does indeed look just like a stack of ceramic electrical inulation coller's.

www.osirisnet.net...
www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk...
www.pyramidofman.com...
www.egyptianmyths.net...

Here is an older thread from 2011 that is worth your time to have a look at.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are many people, some even engineer's who think it is to do with electricity but I do tend to believe the classical belief as though I do believe in a previous high technology I believe it was far further back in time though some memory may have been preserved among the priests of the world and especially ancient egypt.

For me the most intriguing structure in egypt is not the pyramid's but the Osirion ascendingpassage.com...
There has been culture and civilization in egypt for perhaps well over five thousand years so we have barely scratched the surface of a very deep lake were that ancient country and it's very very long history is concerned.

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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Transformers reduce the voltage. since one electric line serves so many homes the line carries much more than the 110 volts that your outlets and appliances use.transformers reduce that higher voltage down to 110 volts before it is carried into your house. one of the side effects of reducing that voltage is heat,transformers produce a lot of heat.



Transformers also increase the voltage too ! Have a little read about them, there are some nice equations to look at too.

They do produce heat but they are also mega efficient at what they do too.

Not having a go at you just some advice



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