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Illegal immigrants could receive Social Security, Medicare under Obama action

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posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 06:52 PM
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Under President Obama’s new program to protect millions of illegal immigrants from deportation, many of those affected will be eligible to receive Social Security, Medicare and a wide array of other federal benefits, a White House official said Tuesday.


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Who didn't see this coming ?



In his speech on Thursday night, the president touted his plan as a means of bringing accountability to a broken immigration system, under which 11 million or more people are estimated to be living in this country illegally.


Accountability!!!!

Oh that was rich!



We’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or [legal] residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation,” he said. “You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law.”


Where to start with this comment?

First off 'pay your fair share' that was damn right hilarious. Since those illegals will be on social programs will mean tax credits, and all the 'fringe' benefits the rest of the poor folk are on.

Which is why half of the country doesn't pay income tax, and since the people receiving government benefits are getting out more than they ever paid in. Stuff like the 'alternative minimum tax' was created, and the medicare capital gains TAX was created.

Even more interesting 'passing' a criminal background check. So I am left wondering whose? Ours or Mexico's.

But the 'presidents' comment to me sounds more akin to what those sweat shops do to illegals.

Here we pay for you to come here, and 'work' off your debt to us.

I see the party of slavery is alive and well today. Because that does sound like slavery to me, or what some call indentured servitude.

And here it is!



Current federal law says that people who pay the taxes and are deemed “lawfully present in the United States” can collect benefits under those programs when they become eligible. They may also receive survivors and disability benefits.


INSTANT VOTERS!

That is another one of their 'benefits'.

So the current potus just single handedly gave his party over 5+ million new voters.



[Roosevelt] was always... finding new victims to loot and new followers to reward, flouting common sense, and boldly denying its existence, demonstrating by his anti-logic that two and two made five, promising larger and larger slices of the moon. His career will greatly engage historians, if any good ones ever appear in America, but it will be of even more interest to psychologists. He was the first American to penetrate to the real depths of vulgar stupidity. He never made the mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the American mob. He was its unparalleled professor. April 15, 1945


Mencken

Roosevelt=Obama for the 'new' generation.




posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:16 PM
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I think it is BS. It kinda says we can pick and chose the laws we will obey doesn't it?
I know a lot of people who drive without a license. Is that ok? If they do so for 5 years can they get amnesty?

I understand that the Republicans would do nothing to resolve this issue but that EO makes me think he is a dictator or king.

I am a union building trades member and typically vote Dem but this is embarrassing.

But there should be some public record of who applies for amnesty or is it just given sight unseen? If there is a record we should be able to track who does what and who and how many get welfare money.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:16 PM
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Yep - those who pay taxes will be able to collect het benefits funded from those taxes.

and they will not be illegal immigrants.

What's wrong with that?


“We’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or [legal] residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation,” he said. “You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law.

For those who work, that includes payroll taxes, also known as FICA taxes, because they are collected under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act.

The tax payments are usually split between employer and employee and include 12.4 percent collected to pay for Social Security, as well as 2.9 percent to pay for Medicare.


Current federal law says that people who pay the taxes and are deemed “lawfully present in the United States” can collect benefits under those programs when they become eligible. They may also receive survivors and disability benefits.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:19 PM
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If they're working with a work permit and are paying payroll taxes why would they not be eligible to receive these benefits?

It also says in the article that you posted that they won't be able to apply for food stamps or financial aid.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul




Yep - those who pay taxes will be able to collect het benefits funded from those taxes.


What wrong with it is the FACT people get MORE out than they ever paid in.

Which is why those social programs count on NEW PEOPLE being adding to pay for those who are getting those benefits.

See the money 'raised' doesn't even begin to cover it.

So that PONZI scheme counts on new people to fleece.

First in.

First out.

Leaving EVERYONE left holding the bag.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I don't really get the point of whining about it. Though I think the borders should be more secure I feel that integration is necessary. Why not allow our fellow man into this country freely with open arms? If the place you live becomes so unbearable you risk you and your families lives to find somewhere where you have a chance you should take it. The only reason it is such a huge political fuss is because those rich ****** don't want to lose a buck on their slave labor.


LEGALIZE THEM ALL!!!!



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: theyknowwhoyouare
a reply to: neo96

I don't really get the point of whining about it. Though I think the borders should be more secure I feel that integration is necessary. Why not allow our fellow man into this country freely with open arms? If the place you live becomes so unbearable you risk you and your families lives to find somewhere where you have a chance you should take it. The only reason it is such a huge political fuss is because those rich ****** don't want to lose a buck on their slave labor.

LEGALIZE THEM ALL!!!!

Why all the RED in that post?



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare




Why not allow our fellow man into this country freely with open arms?


We do,but there stuck waiting in line because the illegals think they are better than anyone else.

Now is that fair to them to let illegal cut to the front of the line?

There are millions of other people with enthic backgrounds that want to come here.

They don't get to because one demographic has apparently has the market cornered.




The only reason it is such a huge political fuss is because those rich ****** don't want to lose a buck on their slave labor.


The reason it's a huge political 'fuss' is because the current potus says the LAW matters then turns around then says it doesn't.

Since immigration laws don't matter.

Then his ACA law doesn't matter.

Gun control laws don't matter.

And ever other law passed doesn't.

See we don't get to pick and choose what laws get to be followed.

NO PERSON or GROUP of people is above the law.

Which is why we have laws to begin with.

To the benefit of the WHOLE.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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Will they have to pay taxes going back 5 years?



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: neo96

They could but, it is far more likely that they will be prosecuted for tax evasion and deported.




posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 08:24 PM
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I once read they couldn't bring our troops home because the economy would crash. Not enough jobs to support the return of our soldiers. The only hope was to round up all the illegals, deport them and then let our veterans fill in the holes.

Looks like that isn't going to happen. Makes me think we keep them fighting just to avoid our own demise.


"What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common? ... Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work. Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal's after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans. And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexican Nationals! The program was called 'Operation Wetback'.. It was done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs. It took 2 Years, but they deported them! Now. ... if they could deport the illegal's back then -- they could sure do it today."

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posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul




Yep - those who pay taxes will be able to collect het benefits funded from those taxes.


What wrong with it is the FACT people get MORE out than they ever paid in.


From which it follows that no taxpayers should receive the benefits - are you going to be consistent?


I notice you didn't address the point that they will NOT be illegal immigrants......



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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I notice you didn't address the point that they will NOT be illegal immigrants......


Right they won't be 'illegal' anymore with the wave of the potus's magic pen

Which means they get all the perks of the legals.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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Under President Obama’s new program to protect millions of illegal immigrants from deportation, many of those affected will be eligible to receive Social Security, Medicare and a wide array of other federal benefits, a White House official said Tuesday.


Some of them already do receive benefits; fake id's, illegal social security and medicare is big business in California. One day an illegal tried to sell me a fake social security card in downtown LA (I guess he thought I was Latino). Obama's move may not be the best move but I think it's an effort to curb the huge illegal underground market of false identity "identity theft" A common wise-crack was that you might have to share your social security number with an illegal.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul




I notice you didn't address the point that they will NOT be illegal immigrants......


Right they won't be 'illegal' anymore with the wave of the potus's magic pen

Which means they get all the perks of the legals.



All while screaming f# to the ones who have and continue to emigrate the LEGAL way.

The fact that this is even debatable shows you how mentally challenged our populous can be. You shouldn't be REWARDED for breaking the law.

My 5 year old understands the concept of consequences and yet these grown ass people don't?

I bet they're laughing their asses of at the "stupid" Americans. And they should be.

Wtf



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 02:53 AM
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a reply to: neo96

I guess that means they have to pay into
Social Security as well?

Along with everything else...

The Devil is in The Details.

S&F



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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The Amnesty Reform Program... sounds like a page from the Barry Sortoro/Barak Obama play book in his gaming the USA immigration System... and wants to share his method of ill-gotten rewards with millions of others


Not so much to make life better for the Illegals, Mexicans and others.... but to overwhelm the system into a breakdown to show the world that America is not Exceptional ...
and is deserving of being wrecked as it has so Colonized other Nations into willing slave states



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posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: InvisibleOwl
Will they have to pay taxes going back 5 years?


Will they be able to collect benefits going back 5yrs?



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: neo96

oh don't worry... [/sarcasm]

if it is anything like ObamaCare then it is just another lie to rip off People and won't amount to much anyway....

what a facade!




edit on CST08uWed, 26 Nov 2014 08:27:25 -06002725am329 by Thurisaz because: omg spelling on such a small reply LMAO



posted on Nov, 26 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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Legal scholars: Obama's immigration actions lawful



WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 100 immigration professors and scholars declared Tuesday that President Barack Obama's decision to make several million immigrants illegally in the United States eligible to be spared from deportation is constitutional and within his administrative powers.

The 135 scholars focused on two major provisions of Obama's executive actions announced last week. One would shield parents of U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents from deportation and allow them to apply for work permits. The other measure would expand a program that shielded immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally as children. Those two programs could affect up to 4.4 million people.

The scholars' statement asserts that the president's actions are a proper use of prosecutorial discretion.


The people affected will be paying their taxes, will not be able to vote, will be documented, do have American family members, etc.

Pull your heads out of the Republican mainstream media for a second and look at the facts.



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