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MH17 : "A lot of indications that the BND theory stinks"

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posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 08:26 PM
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"We have indications that the BND theory stinks"

For the last two months private investigator Josef Resch researched the MH17 case. He needs to solve the case - with the help of 47 million Dollar. He talks about the first findings in this interview.



More concretely: Who do you believe is responsible ?

Believes belongs in the church. Yet we cannot really rule out anything. But we have serious doubts about the "official" theory.

Back to your findings. What have you got for concrete theories ?

We certainly have a lot of indications that the BND theory stinks.


Google translate :

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This is what has been said all along by many, the "official" theory isn`t based on any solid evidence and by so it`s only just one of the theories.

So all bets are open again !




posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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Has anyone analyzed that video of the plane crashing into the ground - it seemed to be burning with a purple flame, which matches that of a flame color test:

upload.wikimedia.org...

Perhaps it would be possible to do some kind of chromatography / optical analysis on the video
edit on 24-11-2014 by stormcell because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 12:59 AM
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The Dutch have recovered as much debris as they could and its heading to the Netherlands to be reconstructed. This part of the investigation will move into specific causes and who is responsible.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
The Dutch have recovered as much debris as they could and its heading to the Netherlands to be reconstructed. This part of the investigation will move into specific causes and who is responsible.


You mean, they'll find some "patsy" to pin it on.

Already know who's ultimately responsible. The dutch, themselves ... they are the ones who "agreed" to the flight path, knowing fully well it would take the plane over a war zone. They also are the ones who the most to gain, from a anti-Russian movement in Ukraine, and military campaign to retrieve the area where the plane went down ... as they've bought gas rights from Ukraine ... in pricesely that area.

Coincidence? there is no such thing.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 02:07 AM
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Private investigator for business crime Josef Resch, is offering 47mill€ for clues that lead to the responsible ones in taking the boing777 down.

He suspects the same as some on here do too: That the BND was bought to spread what was the most convenient story for public interests.
from sept'14

However the outcome, I am still almost convinced the proRussian seperatist were behind it, they partied after the plane went down and congratulated each other over their radio... But guessing is not knowing, so, we'll see.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 02:31 AM
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Already know who's ultimately responsible. The dutch, themselves ... they are the ones who "agreed" to the flight path, knowing fully well it would take the plane over a war zone.


Um it was a Malaysian airliner that was shot down not a Dutch one so how can they have any say as where the plane flies, so how are the Dutch going to be responsible unless your saying the Dutch hijacked the plane?

How about you at least get your facts close to straight before posting ridiculous comments such as what I am replying to.




They also are the ones who the most to gain, from a anti-Russian movement in Ukraine, and military campaign to retrieve the area where the plane went down ... as they've bought gas rights from Ukraine ... in pricesely that area.


No the only reason the Dutch are involved is because they had the most passengers on board, if they had no passengers they wouldn't be involved at all.

Care to provide anything that backs your claim?



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 03:29 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

People!

There is no such thing as a single/ official / concluding BND theory or statement!



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 03:42 AM
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MH17 might have been shot down from air – chief Dutch investigator



‘The chief Dutch prosecutor investigating the MH17 downing in eastern Ukraine does not exclude the possibility that the aircraft might have been shot down from air, Der Spiegel reported. Intelligence to support this was presented by Moscow in July.

The chief investigator with the Dutch National Prosecutors’ Office Fred Westerbeke said in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel published on Monday that his team is open to the theory that another plane shot down the Malaysian airliner.

Following the downing of the Malaysian Airlines MH17 flight in July that killed almost 300 people, Russia’s Defense Ministry released military monitoring data, which showed a Kiev military jet tracking the MH17 plane shortly before the crash. No explanation was given by Kiev as to why the military plane was flying so close to a passenger aircraft. Neither Ukraine, nor Western states have officially accepted such a possibility.’


I heard that too. Just another False Flag blame game again. Ukrainian Fighters shoot down airliner and blame it Russia just to escalate the conflict between the US/Israeli Ukraine and Russia. Makes perfect sense!

MH17 might have been shot down

Not might! It was. There is no evidence for a Russian Missile shooting the plane down much less any motive by Russia!




posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 04:42 AM
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a reply to: ColCurious

It has been presented as if there was...

October 19 :

Deadly Ukraine Crash: German Intelligence Claims Pro-Russian Separatists Downed MH17

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October 27 :



SPIEGEL: Germany's foreign intelligence agency, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), believes that pro-Russian separatists shot down the aircraft with surface-to-air missiles. A short time ago, several members of the German parliament were presented with relevant satellite images. Are you familiar with these photos?


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And no reports whatsoever in MSM about this, not even in the Dutch news...

November 10 :

German FM plays down intel claiming Ukraine militia downed MH17



The German Foreign Ministry maintains the media interpretation of an October statement by the president of national intelligence agency alleging self-defense militia downed MH17 flight in Ukraine was incomplete and taken out of context.

The Russian embassy in Berlin received an official response to note #3693 from October 27 regarding Germany’s Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND intelligence agency) President Gerhard Schindler’s allegations that local militia in eastern Ukraine shot down the Malaysia Airlines flight in July.


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Obama November 15 at the G20 :



Obama said the United States was at the forefront of "opposing Russia's aggression against Ukraine, which is a threat to the world, as we saw in the appalling shoot-down of MH17" -- a reference to the downing of a Malaysian airliner over rebel-held territory on July 17, with the loss of 298 lives.


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- There has been made the very strong suggestion as if there was

- Wasn`t the German media recently being grilled about there bad (biased) coverage of the events in the Ukraine?

- It has been presented as being true for weeks, and the contrary statement has been only showed by RT

- And yet, while Obama was fully aware it was a load of crap (what the BND knows the CIA knows), he still went on with the same unfounded blaming towards Russia at the G20



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien


originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: ColCurious

It has been presented as if there was...

Yes. But there wasn't.
Not from the Bundesnachrichtendienst, not from the Bundestag, and not from the Auswärtiges Amt.
Whoever claims there was - is either misinformed or outright lying.


originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Wasn`t the German media recently being grilled about there bad (biased) coverage of the events in the Ukraine?

True. Parts of the German MSM (including Der Spiegel) were reprimanded by the German Presserat.
Other formats (that didn't blindly follow the propaganda-trend) were also explicitly praised though.


originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
- And yet, while Obama was fully aware it was a load of crap (what the BND knows the CIA knows), he still went on with the same unfounded blaming towards Russia at the G20

Well, that is Obama's problem - or rather the US citizens problem.
edit on 25-11-2014 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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Yes. But there wasn't. Not from the Bundesnachrichtendienst, not from the Bundestag, and not from the Auswärtiges Amt. Whoever claims there was - is either misinformed or outright lying.


Only problem with it, it was trumpeted all over the media as being there was, but the opposite of it wasn`t...so it shows what a propaganda it was.

Euronews is being payed by the EU...

German intelligence report blames pro-Russian rebels for MH17 crash

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And in other news....

CyberBerkut gained access to the documents of Joseph Biden’s delegation officials




We, CyberBerkut, have already warned against inadmissibility of the Washington's interference in internal affairs of our country. Moreover, we repeatedly claimed our rejection of Kiev authorities’ antinational policy which had put Ukraine in dependence from the USA.

During two-day visit of Joseph Biden to Kiev on November 20-21 we gained access to confidential files of the State Department that had been stored on American delegation member’s mobile device.

Today we are ready to acquaint Ukrainian citizens, the USA and the world community with the documents that uncover the real volume and direction of American aid to “settle” the Ukrainian crisis.

After examination of just a several files there is the impression that the Ukrainian army is the branch of US Armed Forces. The volume of US financial assistance amazes with its scale. They also show the highest level of degradation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Besides, thousands of dollars go on personal accounts of military personnel and used by certain officers in personal needs. What will the American taxpayers say?

The United States of America continue to assert that they are ready to provide Ukraine only with non-lethal commodities. But for some reasons members of Joseph Biden’s delegation have been given the document with the mark “for the Congress, final”.-

-400 sniper-rifles, 2000 assault-rifles, 720 hand-held grenade launchers, 200 mortars with more than 70 000 mines, 150 stingers, 420 antitank missiles and so on. That’s the plan of a peaceful settlement of the conflict in the South-East by Petro Poroshenko.


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posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Non of the nations who are doing this investigation is neutral from one another. They have signed agreements between eachother. And can withold and deny vital information.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 06:50 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Euronews says that Der Spiegel says that the head of intelligence said...

Kindergarten-journalism.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: spy66

You`re right about the official investigation, maybe our last hope is the guy from the OP who isn`t official.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: ColCurious

I know, but it`s propaganda nonetheless.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: spy66

You`re right about the official investigation, maybe our last hope is the guy from the OP who isn`t official.


There is no hope because the guy have no authority. What ever his investigations resolves it will not have any practical use. It will just be a contribution to the already existing conspiracy.

If Our authorities have no intentions of being honest about the MH17 event. They have other intentions With their own Version.

The truth really dosent serve any purpous. It is how you spin the propaganda event politcally that matters.




edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Tedgoat




Not might! It was. There is no evidence for a Russian Missile shooting the plane down much less any motive by Russia!


There is more evidence for the Russian missile than there ever will be that Ukraine shot the plane down, also you should know the plane that is supposed to be the one that shot down MH17...the SU 25 is incapable of doing that as it will not fly high enough to do it.



MH17 might have been shot down


Of course the Kremlin mouthpiece is going to say that.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien




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A pro Russian hacktavist group...surely they don't have an agenda.



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 01:39 PM
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How can you say with such confidence that there will never be evidence that mh17 was shot down by a su-25 have you flown one? There is more evidence of a cover up than there is to prove the rebels shot it down otherwise it would be proven beyond all douth and you can't deny that factreply to: tsurfer2000h


edit on 25-11-2014 by RyleeNator because: forgot something and correcting my spelling



posted on Nov, 25 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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How can you say with such confidence that there will never be evidence that my-17 was shot down by a su-25 have you flown one?


Seeing as the altitude of MH17 was 33000 ft. and the service ceiling of the SU25 is 23000 ft. that makes it an impossibility that it could shoot the passenger jet down.

And I don't need to have flown one when the manufacturer tells you that here...

www.sukhoi.org...

But what do the people that built it know...right?



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